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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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Any Flaming Results in a Temp Ban or Worse. Your Choice!!!
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9. July 2009 @ 20:46 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
id get this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188048
or for the uber xtreme
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...3188050
Shaff,
No offense, but I would take the Gigabyte Extreme over either one. mainly because of it's superb cooling, and it's 12+2+2 Phase Power Regulation vs the 10 Phase of the EVGA Board, and the uber xtreme has been deactivated. EVGA has had their problems with reliability over the years with high end motherboards. I know they had plenty of problems with nVidia chipset motherboards that never got fully resolved! besides, it's still cheaper by a bunch and has all the bell' s and whistle's known to man!
Respectfully,
Russ
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9. July 2009 @ 20:53 |
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i guess thats your choice then, and this is mine :)
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10. July 2009 @ 00:11 |
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Done out of Here!
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10. July 2009 @ 01:26 |
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Originally posted by bigwill68:
well,well the motherboard battle of choice's and opinions ya'll failed to mention Foxconn that would be my next choice if...I could'en get my hands tpower x58 not to many people in here don't have or want this board in here but..i believe it can hold it's own in some certain options...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186163
site
http://www.foxconnchannel.com/en%2Dus/pr...ID=en-gb0000268
rumors got started that foxconn was getting out the motherboard business the whole thing got started after some folks in Europe lost their jobs...
http://www.ninjalane.com/reviews/motherboards/katana_tour
Bigwill,
Nothing Foxconn does surprises me. Every odd year they come out with some sort of super motherboard, Only to have it fade into the sunset for lack of support, and disappear! I for one, wish they would either do it or get off the pot! I guess they are so OEM orientated, that they get lost when they do build something decent! Their site is a Train Wreck, trying to find anything. I guess their "Secret Ingredient" is knowledge! If you can find it on their site, you are very lucky, but trying to come up with a manual (even though I clicked on manual) resulted in a blitz of advertising from Foxconn! Everything, in fact except the manual I was looking for!
Russ
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10. July 2009 @ 05:19 |
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No, it's not biased, because I'm not looking at the long term reliability of it, that's been known to be the fault of the chipset. However, take a good look at EVGA boards, they're pretty badly put together, and pretty badly supported.
How is a Rampage II gene or P6T6 realistic? Both of them are still in the needless top end section of i7 boards... There's a difference between 'doing it big' and just being damn stupid...
Agreed on the cooling too, the P6T6's cooler is terrible and the Rampage II Gene is obviously a mATX board. Unless someone is building a lightweight LAN PC, there's no need for an i7 in a mATX box.
The only Foxconn boards I ever encounter are cheap OEMs. The high-end ones aren't prevalent in the market at all, and there must be a reason for it.
For me, Gigabyte, DFI and Biostar are the only competitors here. If you were going to risk an Asus board, it'd be a P6T or P6T SE.
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10. July 2009 @ 09:19 |
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its not a risk for me ;) bar the p5ne which i dont need to bring up, lol, i havnt had bad asus baords..
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10. July 2009 @ 09:51 |
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A fair few people have proven it's a risk for anyone. It's just not a risk you've fallen foul of more than once. After the fourth it gets a bit tedious.
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10. July 2009 @ 10:04 |
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lol fair enough :)
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15. July 2009 @ 09:31 |
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well i got the Q9550 and the new OCZ vendetta 2 installed.
i had to take out one of my areo cool 140mm fans on my side panel. the Vendetta is a tall sob.
fired up without a hitch.
passed IBT with ease.
and the temps are awesome. at idle range from 32c-39c at max IBT temps the max only got to 53c on core 0 core 1 50c core2 48c core3 48c
here is some screens of each test.
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=604485
gonna leave it at 2.83ghz for a week or so, maybe 3 or 4 days seeing i leave my system running24/7(torrnets lol) then take it up to 3.0ghz and so on.steady as she goes. Boozer buddy where every you may be, no im not going to 400mhz first thing..lol jokeing buddy.
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15. July 2009 @ 09:38 |
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That's stock for you :P The temperature differential as soon as you start overclocking a quad is alarming.
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15. July 2009 @ 09:38 |
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the most me i have gotten out of my E0 Q9550 was 3996. Push yours now you nuuubb :P
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15. July 2009 @ 09:43 |
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and it certainly wasn't stable - you told me that. Then again, I think a fully functioning P45 board might fare better, especially a Biostar, they're meant to be excellent for overclocking duals, not sure about quads. Now if only there was a way of fitting an Ultima-90 to a chipset cooler... Sadly there are still no third party Gigabyte VRM coolers.
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15. July 2009 @ 09:47 |
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i never said it was :P hell booting into windows i could do at 4.1GHz
3dmark stable was 3996
for everyday i used 3.91GHz
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15. July 2009 @ 09:57 |
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not worried about 4.0ghz but i would like to get it up to 3.83ghz maybe friday ill take it up to 3.0-3.2ghz yes i have the itch to do it now but i know better. im actually running dvd rebuilder right now. temps only have gone up to 46c but all 4 cores are at 100%. i would have thought it wouldnt use that much?????
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15. July 2009 @ 10:29 |
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well rob i see that you have finally moved up to a Quad. Have fun with it.
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15. July 2009 @ 10:36 |
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Rob yes DVD Rebuilder does use most to all of you're CPU. my temps are about 51C using DVD Rebuilder so your temps sound fine. its going to be nice encoding a movie in 30 to 40 mins huh
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15. July 2009 @ 12:29 |
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Originally posted by ZoSoIV:
Rob yes DVD Rebuilder does use most to all of you're CPU. my temps are about 51C using DVD Rebuilder so your temps sound fine. its going to be nice encoding a movie in 30 to 40 mins huh
well with my E8400 (gotta love it) i did LoR twin towers in 48 mins
but hell yes 27 mins is awesome. cant wait to OC this puppy and see what my times are
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15. July 2009 @ 13:32 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
not worried about 4.0ghz but i would like to get it up to 3.83ghz maybe friday ill take it up to 3.0-3.2ghz yes i have the itch to do it now but i know better. im actually running dvd rebuilder right now. temps only have gone up to 46c but all 4 cores are at 100%. i would have thought it wouldnt use that much?????
Rob,
Take a look here for cooling VRMs and Mosfets!
http://www.enzotechnology.com/air_cooling.htm
They worked very well on my P35-DS3R, and are reasonably inexpensive!
If you have the stock heatsink on the Northbridge, buy a good 40mm fan and screw it right dead center on the heat sink, blowing down. It keeps the overall temps down! Here's the best fan I've found to date!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835129036
It only turns 2200 RPM and moves 6.5 CFM. It's durable, very quiet, and helps lower both the CPU and NB temps, even under load because it cuts down on the heat transfer from the Northbridge to the CPU. It won't cut the NB temp very much, but it does reduce the CPU temp!
Both are highly recommended, especially if you are going to overclock!
Best Regards,
Russ
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15. July 2009 @ 15:26 |
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Thanks for the links Russ, I'm after some VRM cooling possibly, as I will need it if I change my chipset heatsink for overclocking purposes. I would much rather use a 60 or preferably 80mm fan on a NB cooler, as I would need more airflow than a 40mm could quietly provide.
So far I've seen someone use the MOS-C1 on a similar X48T-DQ6, but 20 of them will take a while to install! I wonder if some of the other versions might fit.
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15. July 2009 @ 18:11 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Thanks for the links Russ, I'm after some VRM cooling possibly, as I will need it if I change my chipset heatsink for overclocking purposes. I would much rather use a 60 or preferably 80mm fan on a NB cooler, as I would need more airflow than a 40mm could quietly provide.
So far I've seen someone use the MOS-C1 on a similar X48T-DQ6, but 20 of them will take a while to install! I wonder if some of the other versions might fit.
Sam,
I was actually pretty amazed at just how good that little 6.5 CFM fan on the stock GigaByte heatsink really worked. While the Motherboard temps remained about the same as without it, the CPU ran 2-3C cooler. When I installed the Enzotech CNB-R1 (http://www.enzotechnology.com/cnb_r1.htm), I was surprised to see it worked almost exactly the same as the stock heatsink with the Antec fan. One of the things I've learned over the years in working on Hospital equipment is that often you come across localized cooling with various small seemingly insignificant fans inside various pieces of equipment. When I questioned the Engineers about it in training classes, their answer was pretty simple. They said that "because of the different sizes of the components being cooled and the design layout of the boards, cabling and other things sticking up, you can get dead spots in the airflow because something is blocking the airflow to a particular component". "Those small fans are there to be sure that this doesn't happen and that there is always air flowing over certain critical components, no matter what may be in the way of the overall airflow". I suggested what you just said, and asked why not use a larger internal fan, and their answer was "It's all about the localization of the airflow, to get adequate airflow exactly where it's needed"! "It's not that you need a lot of airflow, but rather enough so the air that comes out of the heatsink is easier to be picked up by the Cabinet (case) ventilation"! It stirs up the internal air and keeps it moving! They also pointed out that too much airflow can be just as bad as not enough. Too high a CFM, and the air goes through the heatsink too fast to remove a lot of the heat, especially in a dry environment. When you look at the people with 6, 7 or more case fans that have still experienced temperatures higher than they would like, you begin to see the validity in what the engineers told me! That's why I call case ventilation a "Black Art", and I'm still learning it! LOL!!
The first computer I ever tried that on was Oxi! I put a 50mm 2500 RPM 26 CFM fan on the NB heatsink, and the NB temp dropped 11-13C. Now, the NB rarely if ever gets over 40C, as opposed to the 53C+ I was getting before. That's the difference between leaving a red waffle looking mark on the back of your hand and just being uncomfortably warm to the touch. I didn't touch anything else! The case itself has plenty of airflow, it just wasn't getting enough of it through the heatsink. We are now into the middle of it's second summer, and the heat that goes with it, and it runs about as cool as my 7750BE! A little warmer for the CPU, but even encoding doesn't push the CPU above 46-47C. Considering that it's usually 30C or warmer in the front room, it runs amazingly cool as it only has a provision for a single rear 72mm fan. I plan to up that to an 80MM when the fan finally gives up the ghost! No rush though as it's working real well! LOL!
Best Regards,
Russ
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15. July 2009 @ 18:31 |
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Considering I managed to cut my NB temps 16șC by installing a pair of 50dB fans, 2șC off the CPU isn't really that much gain. I'll need a fair bit more than that, or I needn't have bothered.
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15. July 2009 @ 22:02 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Considering I managed to cut my NB temps 16șC by installing a pair of 50dB fans, 2șC off the CPU isn't really that much gain. I'll need a fair bit more than that, or I needn't have bothered.
Sam,
At first it seems that way, but the CPU temp never goes up as high as before the mod with the fan installed on the NB. It was the same way with the E6750 on the DS3R. In a 30-32C room without AC, Oxi will idle around 34-36C, about 4C above ambient. Without water cooling or something like that, it can't get much cooler! With a single rear case fan, that's remarkable! It should cool just a little bit better when I change out the 72mm for an 80mm with better airflow. The x2 4800+ is not exactly the coolest running chip either. The important thing is that I never have any problems with temperatures, no matter what I'm doing with the machine. Shaff was right, cooling the NB does a good job pulling heat away from the CPU, so it never gets as hot to begin with!
Best Regards,
Russ
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16. July 2009 @ 07:10 |
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In a 27șC room, my CPU will idle at about 28-29șC stock. Idle temperatures are pretty meaningless, especially for CPUs still running at stock voltage. Stock CPUs are designed to use very little power at idle, and therefore they also produce very little heat.
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16. July 2009 @ 07:45 |
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well ive found that i have a nice low vid on my cpu(1.1625) ive been told these chips are good OC'ers but do run a little warmer than others. so i am gonna do a little OC now. just takeing it up to 3.0ghz. nothing major. baby steps just baby steps...lol
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16. July 2009 @ 07:56 |
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That is low, mine is 1.25, but the CPU is never the problem with modern core 2s. It's all down to the motherboard. The only 45nm Core 2 Quad that's limited by the CPU's performance itself is the QX9650 and QX9770, due to the unlocked multiplier.
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