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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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16. July 2009 @ 08:45 |
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16. July 2009 @ 08:56 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
In a 27ºC room, my CPU will idle at about 28-29ºC stock. Idle temperatures are pretty meaningless, especially for CPUs still running at stock voltage. Stock CPUs are designed to use very little power at idle, and therefore they also produce very little heat.
Sam,
I quite agree! However as the room temperatures go up, so do the idle temps. A 32C room is quite warm to me, but that's about the normal temperature in there for this time of year. Given that there's only one puny 72mm fan for case ventilation, it stays remarkably cool. Under load, I don't think it's ever gotten to 50C. Russell says 48C is the highest he's ever seen it get to. I'm happy with it, but I do want to improve the airflow with a higher CFM 80mm fan. I think a big part of the low temps is the fact that the Freezer 64 blows directly, almost dead center right into the rear exhaust fan. Without that alignment, I think it would run a good bit warmer. Adding a video card would probably make it worse. That's another reason I want a better case fan, I want to eventually put a video card in it. I do know one thing, and that's putting a 50mm fan on the NB heat sink made all the difference in the world temperature wise with my E6750, and the heat even with the weak fan manages to be removed from the case. Without it, bothe the MB and CPU temps are much higher. It's truly amazing that a tiny little fan like that can make such a difference, given the poor ventilation the rear fan provides. I can only conclude that the Engineers from Siemens were correct, and it's been my finding with computers as well. I've tried the 80mm fan inside the case bit myself and it took a great deal of trial and error in aiming the fan to get results. The 40mm fan worked better and just screwed right to the heatsink. My guess is that the smaller fan kept the air moving enough around the heatsink without interfering with the overall airflow inside the case, as the 80mm did unless it was fairly precisely aimed. It was also a lot noisier!
Best Regards,
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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16. July 2009 @ 09:06 |
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Seriously, you'd be surprised how little it takes to cool a dual core CPU that hasn't been overclocked, even an AMD. With the relatively weak stock NZXT case fans at 1100rpm, I didn't reach 50ºC with my 4200+ and CNPS7000Alcu, which is a much weaker cooler than the Freezer 7 Pro. Up the voltages and things change dramatically.
The direct alignment to a fan certainly helps, but only if the fan is on the opposite side of the heatsink. When two fans are right next to each other it causes turbulence, and also forces the speed up on the other fan, which if running at or close to max speed already, will significantly shorten its life, as it will be running above its rated speed.
One thing I did notice was that adding a 4000rpm 92mm fan to my northbridge, on its own had almost no effect. It only became a force to be reckoned with when I installed an uprated side fan - my last surviving FM121, initially at 2400rpm. I've since cut this back to a more reasonable 1600rpm. The temperatures were still reasonably good when I did this - remove the 92mm fan (I had no secure means of attaching it) and the temps are exactly as they were before, bar maybe a degree, despite a 70% more powerful side fan.
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16. July 2009 @ 10:07 |
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man im loven this thing. but im not sure if convertx is quad capable? anyhow. i just converted a 701mb avi(114 min movie) in 12:14
that is awesome....lol
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16. July 2009 @ 10:27 |
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I don't know if ConvertXtoDVD is multi-core capable officially, i use v2 and i can confirm is uses all 4 of my cores.
I don't much convert to DVD anymore though, these days i prefer to keep the AVI's as-is and keep on my machine as a media server, and just burn them to DVD as data files ie i can get more movies on a DVD that way, i now only use DVD's as a backup, i watch everything across the network thru old xboxes (XBMC) now. Well i did watch them that way before, all that's changed is that i only use DVD's as backups now, all AVI's are kept on 2 different hard drives anyway hence DVD becomes a 3rd backup.
If a DVD movie i buy is worthy of keeping as a DVD i continue to backup via DVD Rebuilder as before, what i do now is to convert said movie to an AVI straight away via AutoGK and keep that as well, on the media server. If it's an older DVD movie i just rip and convert to AVI with AutoGK, and don't keep the DVD movie files ie i don't keep the movie as a DVD.
Optical media seems so old fashioned now :)
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16. July 2009 @ 10:46 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
Optical media seems so old fashioned now :)
LMAO
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16. July 2009 @ 11:03 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
Optical media seems so old fashioned now :)
Wholeheartedly agreed. A quiet innocuous midtower case takes the place of 2000 DVDs, or 1000 Dual layer ones. It's also faster at 60MB/s read and 25MB/s write. I daresay it's worth it's expense and size footprint! :)
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16. July 2009 @ 11:08 |
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It's just a right royal pain when you want to watch a particular movie and you have to wade thru thousands of discs. I'm sure most of us don't have the ultimate DVD organisation systems (i remember seeing a picture by bbmayo, he had all his DVD's organised in what looked like a chest of drawers, with the discs organised by the first letter, A, B, C etc, all kept in cardboard or plastic sleeves), but if you haven't got something like that it can take the time it takes to watch a movie, just looking for the damn things (most of mine are in 240-capacity binders). So i prefer to just flick on the PC and browse thru the movie folders. As Gordon Ramsey says - "Done" :)
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16. July 2009 @ 11:09 |
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if in doubt, start -> search all drives. Doesn't take long! :)
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16. July 2009 @ 11:13 |
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Nah, pictures say more than words, or whatever the phrase is :)
But i know what you mean.
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16. July 2009 @ 11:44 |
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ok creaky you got me curious now. whats that program your showing there with the dvd's in order??
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16. July 2009 @ 11:46 |
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XBMC - Xbox Media center I believe it stands for.
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16. July 2009 @ 11:46 |
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Umm got an interesting problem for you guys. Here at work we have a Socket 478 board with some blown caps. The drive from that syatem has a lot of stuff on it that needs to be saved. The only other machine available ATM is a Windows ME machine with a Pentium 3. I plugged in the drive and Windows will not detect it. It show up in boot priority in the BIOS and in the POST. But Windows will not show it. Is there any secret software or jumper combo I can use to detect this drive?
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16. July 2009 @ 11:47 |
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Probably NTFS - I don't think Me can read NTFS drives. Best off running it in another newer PC. I don't think you can back convert NTFS to FAT32 without wiping the drive.
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16. July 2009 @ 11:48 |
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Rob - That's just an example pic off the net. It's XBMC, from old type xboxes, which you should really try it out on the PC ~ http://xbmc.org/ it's a very small download, and effortless to install/setup.
Obviously the PC version allows the playback of HD content, that's the only thing the old type xboxes can't do.
To others - Sorry i haven't got any ontopic comments re 'Official PC Building', i blame that on the never-ending economic climate.
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16. July 2009 @ 11:50 |
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Hardly surprising. I find myself having to juggle payments at the moment just to keep the existing stuff working, let alone buy new toys.
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16. July 2009 @ 11:52 |
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Re the hard drive problem, just try a linux live cd on that old P3 machine and the NTFS partition(s) can be easily accessed that way..
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16. July 2009 @ 11:53 |
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Very true, I'd forgotten about those, and how handy they are.
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16. July 2009 @ 14:03 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Hardly surprising. I find myself having to juggle payments at the moment just to keep the existing stuff working, let alone buy new toys.
Indeed! I badly want an SSD drive...OR 2! But at 150$... wish in one hand LOL! This badboy for instance is making me drool! LOL!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227393
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16. July 2009 @ 14:40 |
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Indeed, $150 is cheap, they're about $180+VAT over here...
I personally want a Corsair P128, but they're really expensive at the moment.
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16. July 2009 @ 15:39 |
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AHA good idea Creaky! Thanks, will give it a go.
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
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16. July 2009 @ 15:39 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
I badly want an SSD drive...OR 2! But at 150$... wish in one hand LOL! This badboy for instance is making me drool! LOL!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...0227393
That looks vaguely familiar...I kick myself for not getting another for RAID0 fun when they were on sale for $99.
Make sure you purchase a converter to fit the 2.5" HDD into a 3.5" bay if using it in a desktop.
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16. July 2009 @ 15:57 |
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oh yah. I've read a few reviews, + the specs of the drive. I shouldn't make that mistake LOL. Imagine if they were to make a larger 3.5 SSD. That'd be a spendy S.O.B.!!! LOL I imagine certain people would buy um up though.
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16. July 2009 @ 16:17 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Seriously, you'd be surprised how little it takes to cool a dual core CPU that hasn't been overclocked, even an AMD. With the relatively weak stock NZXT case fans at 1100rpm, I didn't reach 50ºC with my 4200+ and CNPS7000Alcu, which is a much weaker cooler than the Freezer 7 Pro. Up the voltages and things change dramatically.
The direct alignment to a fan certainly helps, but only if the fan is on the opposite side of the heatsink. When two fans are right next to each other it causes turbulence, and also forces the speed up on the other fan, which if running at or close to max speed already, will significantly shorten its life, as it will be running above its rated speed.
One thing I did notice was that adding a 4000rpm 92mm fan to my northbridge, on its own had almost no effect. It only became a force to be reckoned with when I installed an uprated side fan - my last surviving FM121, initially at 2400rpm. I've since cut this back to a more reasonable 1600rpm. The temperatures were still reasonably good when I did this - remove the 92mm fan (I had no secure means of attaching it) and the temps are exactly as they were before, bar maybe a degree, despite a 70% more powerful side fan.
Sam,
With the Freezer 64 Pro, the fan has the cooler behind it, so no problems with turbulence at all! It doesn't seem to affect the rear fan's speed at all. It runs at a very solid 1223 RPM and only varies a couple of RPM.
Airflow inside a case can be very tricky. part of the problem is the airflow of one fan blowing one direction, while a side fan blows across it. I know that if I make the 80MM that replaced the air duct an intake, my temps go up because the airflow from it interferes with the airflow through the CPU cooler. Both the 80 and the 120 on my side cover are exhausts. It's one thing to draw air from inside to out, and an entirely different thing to blow air across the airflow inside the case. Because of that and with the testing I've done with all the different fans I've tried, I've pretty much come to the conclusion that the front fans should all be intakes and all the rest exhausts. I make the rear fan the strongest to assure good front to rear direction to the airflow, and the side cover top fan pulls heat away from the top of the cooler, while the lower fan pulls heat away from the video card. You've seen my temps, and it's obvious that it all works best that way for me. I know with Medical equipment, you never see a side intake, unless the exhaust is on the opposite side. Otherwise it's always front to rear. Some of the stuff I work on even have their own air conditioning systems!
Some people have difficulty understanding that blowing in and blowing out have a completely different effect on the cases air flow. They seem to think that it should have the same effect, only in reverse if you reverse the fan's airflow. They don't consider the Plenum effect of the case. While the airflow is just as strong, it's effect is greatly reduced and spread around because it's drawing air pretty much equally from the entire inside of the case. When it's blowing in, it's more concentrated in one particular area, and only diminishes with distance because of expansion inside the case.
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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16. July 2009 @ 18:13 |
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I owned one myself, but one of the earlier ones, the OCZ Solid Series - as such it was rubbish and I've stopped using it (but not got round to selling it), but what I found was it ran so cool and was so small you could put it pretty much anywhere.
Omega - 5.25" SSD would be easy, just put four together and RAID them up.. haha
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