Originally posted by FredBun:

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800 bucks for that board!! I hope a used car comes with it at the least.

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Originally posted by cincyrob:

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and now see. i was just talking ot a ASUS person and he has informed me that with the P5Q Deluxe trying to get over 500fsb isnt that easy unless you have some high priced top notched mem to do it. DDR2 1200 or better. and the bios are a little tricky to acheive higher OC's(4.0ghz+) and he said if he had to do it over again he would go with the UD3P just for these reasons mention'd

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Originally posted by bigwill68:

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Originally posted by FredBun:

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800 bucks for that board!! I hope a used car comes with it at the least.

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Fred that's what you call a over priced overclocked setup for the unaware person that don't know or have computer skills just wants to play games

Originally posted by cincyrob:

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and now see. i was just talking ot a ASUS person and he has informed me that with the P5Q Deluxe trying to get over 500fsb isnt that easy unless you have some high priced top notched mem to do it. DDR2 1200 or better. and the bios are a little tricky to acheive higher OC's(4.0ghz+) and he said if he had to do it over again he would go with the UD3P just for these reasons mention'd

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and here's the choices out the 2 brands of the 9600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLis...28PC2%209600%29
is the board limited just at 1200 are far past that? believe me the bios are tricky simular to my biostar board in some way of the voltage setups but better ram to make a better oc just depends how far your cpu can go and handle...I'm in a debate on 45nm voltage maximum limit some are saying it's 1.45v b4 it really frys but some say it's 1.362 rated is intel really hiding something?that's a different subject...

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Originally posted by theonejrs:

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Will,
Some overclockers will say anything and set the voltage to whatever they want. There's been more than enough discussion about how many volts the 45's can tolerate. I side with Intel here, and I don't give a damn what all the Extreme overclockers say! Intel has said all along about the 45's that 1.362v is it, and that Electro Migration will occur above that voltage. If higher voltages were safe, the voltage limit would be higher. I personally wouldn't run one over 1.35v unless it was water cooled, but that's me! LOL!! Besides, why would Intel hide something? It's to their advantage if you could go higher with the voltage safely! You have to decide whether you want fast, or stupid fast! I've been both routes, and fast is better! Stupid fast already cost me a CPU!

Russ

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Originally posted by CryptiK:

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There is a difference between 'max' and 'absolute max' vcore.

Max = 1.3625v

Absolute max = 1.45v

If you read the portion of the data sheet I have quoted below, it states that the max voltage is the functional limit of the processor. The absolute maximum voltage lies outside the functional limits of the processor, and long term reliability will be affected to some degree with the severity determined by the length of exposure to these voltages. If you go beyond the absolute max voltage, the processor may not function anymore, or will have it's reliability severely degraded.

We know the CPU's will still function after excursions above 1.45v, however we have no idea how badly they have been damaged. I have benched my E8600 at 1.56v on air for hours with no obvious ill effects.

It should be clear that 'safe' vcore = no more than 1.3625v

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2.6.1 Absolute Maximum and Minimum Ratings
Table 3 specifies absolute maximum and minimum ratings only and lie outside the
functional limits of the processor. Within functional operation limits, functionality and
long-term reliability can be expected.
At conditions outside functional operation condition limits, but within absolute
maximum and minimum ratings, neither functionality nor long-term reliability can be
expected. If a device is returned to conditions within functional operation limits after
having been subjected to conditions outside these limits, but within the absolute
maximum and minimum ratings, the device may be functional, but with its lifetime
degraded depending on exposure to conditions exceeding the functional operation
condition limits.
At conditions exceeding absolute maximum and minimum ratings, neither functionality
nor long-term reliability can be expected. Moreover, if a device is subjected to these
conditions for any length of time then, when returned to conditions within the
functional operating condition limits, it will either not function, or its reliability will be
severely degraded.

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link to the data sheet on intel voltage page 19
http://download.intel.com/design/processor/datashts/318726.pdf

Originally posted by sammorris:

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I don't believe for a moment 4.5Ghz was stable long-term at such a low voltage

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Originally posted by dru3692:

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Need some help if you can. Just moved HDD, PSU, OPTICAL DRIVE, AND RAM to new mobo that does not have any onboard video output. NO VIDEO TO EITHER MONITOR!

Started moving ram around but that hasnt helped so far (plus, the system before that psu, hdd, ram, and optical drive came from worked just fine). I'm sure I've got a connection wrong, backward, or maybe not giving it enough power (20/4 pin connected so far but wasn't sure if I needed the 2x4 for cpu1 and cpu2 from the psu also connected (not sure why those are there on the mobo).

Here is what I'm working with:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103649
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128387
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147037
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145184
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131168 (may not be the exact card but very close)

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(20/4 pin connected so far but wasn't sure if I needed the 2x4 for cpu1 and cpu2 from the psu also connected (not sure why those are there on the mobo).

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Originally posted by sammorris:

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Rob: Ultimately, it's always going to be your decision to make, I can't force you to buy any particular product, and it's not as if I'm touting any particular replacement. All I'm saying is that for your sake, I recommend you don't buy an Asus. There's plenty of other choices out there. Whatever you decide to buy I wish you luck, but with the Asus you will need it.
It's easy, you have had some dodgy experiences with Gigabyte boards, but you have nothing but some dodgy forum posts to go on against Biostar, and you haven't even considered MSI or DFI.
Long story short, the forum isn't one-sided, you're just being a little short sighted.
Shaff: The biggest market share, and still the highest % failure rate, it's no wonder the support is bad, they must be inundated with thousands of RMAs.
Rob: People do rate Gigabytes above Asus' for overclocking quads on P45, The Maximus II formula was a good example of that, even before it went wrong, 460-465FSB was all it could achieve.

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Originally posted by Robert the Red:

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and im sure im not the only person in the world of build that has had these problems im sure there is many here that has had them and just wont admit it cause its the beloved gigabyte company. i said i didnt want to start the mobo war but i guess its to late for that. unfortiontly i cant add to it cause i dont know how other boards are just the crappy gigabyte boards ive had. honestly i dont know why i asked a question about a ASUS board and expected to get a honest answer in a one sided forum.

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Originally posted by Sammy:

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Pretty much any shop review site. Look at the complaints about gigabytes , biostars, MSIs, DFIs, all the reasonable brands - you'll see a few DOAs, then maybe driver or BIOS bugs, a few dodgy ICHs, look at Asus reviews, there are piles of "this is my 3rd RMA" comments. It takes some reading to sift through the idiots, but the fact that there's a large pile of reviews commenting about the failures all my Asus boards have suffered (as they've essentially all been the same). I had my Q9550 up to 470FSB in the DS5 but it took silly volts on the NB to do it, which is how all X48s behave. Since I don't really want a P45, I can't test any other boards. It certainly isn't the chip though as I can achieve up to that point with almost any voltage I like. Not all Asus boards will fail, else they'd probably be out of business, but the likelihood of it is extraordinarily high. Remember I don't just have my own experience to go on, but that of some of my old friends who also fell foul of the same issues. They have all since moved to Gigabyte, MSI and DFI boards and have had no issues since. I have owned 4 Asus boards and know maybe another 10 Asus owners, of these 14 boards, around 9 of them have failed. Compare this to Gigabyte, I am the only person I know (this doesn't include aD users) to have had a bad Gigabyte board, which was the DS5, and in all fairness it was a perfectly usable board, it just wouldn't work with both PCIe 16x slots installed. I imagine a fair few boards could get away without noticing that, and one of the Asus boards I had (the A8R-MVP) was very prone to do this first, before the later total failure. Likewise, the only MSI board I've seen go bad was 7 years old. I'd be happy if me or any of my friends could get an Asus to last 3.

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Originally posted by Sammy:

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Anyone who thinks they'll get a good few years out of an Asus board is extremely naive or simply ignorant.

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What do I say but it's a shame that ASUS is such a SHITTY company!!! Rob you should be ashamed of yourself for mentioning it in the presence of all these GIGABYTE lovers!!

I have an ASUS mobo that's made it over 3 years but it's not that piece of crap that Russ or Sammy had!!

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Testing was carried out in Intertek's home-cinema listening room, which is desgined to meet the IEC 286-13 standard. The Measurements were taken on a calibrated Bruel & Kjaer 2260 sound level meter positioned 50cm away from the inside of the fan being tested. We chose a distance of 50cm, as this is they typical distance that most people will sit form their PC's at home.

The fans were powered by a passive PSU.

The Sound Pressure level of each fan was recorded between 80Hz and 20KHz over a 10s period.

The background noice was 19.3dBA.

Fans producing 25dBA or less were barely audiable. While fans between 26 and 30 dBA were audiable but not annoying. Fans above 31dBA were too loud for comfort.

For testing airflow we used the "black sack" method.
The fan blows air into a black sac, and the volume of that sack is a known quantity, so by timeing how long it takes to fill the bag with air, we can calculate the airflow using the forumula: (volume in cubic feet/times in seconds) x 60. this gives us the cubic feet per minute (CFM) of the air the fan is moving

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