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18. August 2009 @ 21:05 |
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An Open Box is ex-RMA. That should be enough to tell you they aren't worth buying.
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18. August 2009 @ 21:08 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
$14 extra doesn't seem much to pay for a board that will last at least three times as long. Ah well...
thats not fact.
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18. August 2009 @ 21:10 |
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I have heard very few failure reports about the new Biostar boards.
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18. August 2009 @ 21:11 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
i think its fair that if you havent activated a product that it will ceace to work for you.... and i have never seen anyone just uninstall any windows, you can upgrade windows, but not downgrade without formatting the patition that windows is on. This is common standard practice.
I also doubt that MS have been stealing ones information, and if so russ, why not go to mac/linux instead?
Shaff.
I agree on the If you haven't activated it yet part. That's SOP for most trial or timed software! It may be common practice to you to format the partition that windows is on, But the catch is with Win 7 you cannot format the Boot partition, you have to wipe the partition first with Killdisk or something like that and then format it. I'm not sure with Vista. It's been so long since I messed with Vista, I really don't remember!
I don't doubt anything anymore! I used a name that is known only to my sister and I, and my sister won't give a computer house room. She got some Porno one day when shopping on line for clothes for her grandaughter. She hasn't been on line since. She gave the computer away to her Daughter! The only other places that name exists is in the hall of Records in the town that I was born, and even then as a separate document. You can't access these records without giving the proper information. Only the Name and date of birth are public. Same way with Social Security! I certainly never gave out that name to anyone. Even my younger brother doesn't know it! I'm not even saying that M$ stole it, but it's pretty obvious to me that someone gained access to that file and did steal it! needless to say it was quite a shock to me!
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18. August 2009 @ 21:14 |
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So be it. I don't really see one extra step in wiping drive a real problem. Also, I'm sorry, but I simply don't believe you about the address name, you must have let it slip to someone. Either that or your PC had a dataminer on it at one point. You can't really blame the OS for that (well apart from inadequate security)
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18. August 2009 @ 21:15 |
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Originally posted by ChrisC586:
As Russ said this time around XP 64 is a lot better I finally found beta drivers for my HP 2600 to work the way it should! Full color and all. Up til now I could only run the Epsons, Canon [limited].Still won't print from outlook without saving to my Docs.Any input on open box Mobo's from Newegg?
Chris,
While I've never purchased one my self, a number of people here on this thread have. I know of no one who didn't get everything that normally comes with a motherboard. I'm sure someone else will chime in here about it!
Glad you got the right printer drivers!
Best Regards,
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18. August 2009 @ 21:23 |
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Originally posted by bigwill68:
Originally posted by sammorris:
but seriously, why not a TPower? Much more reliable board.
I wanna know that answer also? but if the decision is on getting the Deluxe it would be a great time to get one why the price low..
and Free Shipping...
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ok here we go. first of all it hasnt been proven it is a much more reliable board.(at least not to me in all the reading and searching i have been doing)if i was going to stick the E8400 monster on it i would get the biostar in a heart beat. hands down. but im not im putting my Q9550 on it. and from the few people i have talked to, the T45 isnt all that when combined with the Q9550. it was designed to take the E8400 and make it top dog, and it has by far im not dening that. and as for it lasting 3 times longer? how can that be proven these boards havent been out long enough to make that even closely true. its just personal opinion. like i said if i was going to put my E8400 on the board it would be the T45.
second. it only has 6 sata slots. i want and need 8 the P5Q Deluxe has that.
third i want/need 2 lan ports the T45 dont offer that. the P5Q Deluxe does.
forth. the P5Q is 12 phase which works well with the Q9550. the T45 is only 8 phase and that tends to hinder the Q9550 to an extint.
5th and final... i just dont like the looks of the T45...
sounds like i just sold myself a P5Q Deluxe.
TBH up till this week i was set on getting the GA-EP45-UD3P. it like the P5Q Deluxe has all the stuff i just mention'd minus the 12 phase. and here is why i decided against it... for the same reason sam is so down on asus... all the bad luck he has had with asus i can say the same thing about gigabyte. granted they seem to have this board right for me when they sent it back. the mem controler works great i havent had 1 issue like i did before. plus they loaded it with the newest bios for this board.. i ahvent had any issues with it. hell i got the Q9550 running at 3.83ghz with a small amount of tweaking and could easily get 4.0+ with 1066 mem. but whos to say when i get the next gigabyte board im not gonna have issues likei have with the pass 4. true i could have the same with any manufacture i choose but i wont know until i try one.
guys im not trying to start the mobo war so please lets not go there.i know each and everyone of us has our likes and dislikes on manufactures, but for someone like myself i have had only 1 to make an opinion about. and im sure for each instance of bad luck for each manufacture there is just as many good things for them also.
I'm just stateing my point of view thats all.
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18. August 2009 @ 21:39 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
But the catch is with Win 7 you cannot format the Boot partition, you have to wipe the partition first with Killdisk or something like that and then format it.
Russ you must do some wierd things with your machines :) as i've not once had this problem, i've seen nothing different in Win7's behaviour than previous MS OSes. I've just done the usual which is just go thru a normal XP setup where XP happily deletes partitions and installs, and Linux live cd's which happily go about their business without a whimper..
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18. August 2009 @ 21:46 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
An Open Box is ex-RMA. That should be enough to tell you they aren't worth buying.
i wouldnt buy a open box just for taht same reason. im not talking open boxes here. im talking and wanting the fresh from the factory sealed box..lol
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18. August 2009 @ 22:06 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
So be it. I don't really see one extra step in wiping drive a real problem. Also, I'm sorry, but I simply don't believe you about the address name, you must have let it slip to someone. Either that or your PC had a dataminer on it at one point. You can't really blame the OS for that (well apart from inadequate security)
Sam,
The only place this name exists is in a file under M$ control. It's a part of M$ information file on my install. I've scanned the whole computer and not come up with it anywhere else! I've only heard the name mentioned maybe a dozen times in my life, so I can't see any reason or believe that I would just tell someone or blurt out a name. I just went and retrieved the mail from the mailbox. I've decided that I want to show this to my Lawyer for the Micro$oft case! It really bothers me. Not that I'm doing anything wrong on the computer, but to have an obscure name like that pop up the way it did, is a bit frightening! Especially since technically, the name died out with my Father! There were no other living relatives by that name! They were all dead before I was born except my Great uncle Ted. He died when I was about 4! He had been part of The Real Philadelphia Experiment, during the war, and told us what really happened to his ship on his deathbed! His official cause of death was Radium Poisoning! I just took a few minutes out and went and looked up the last name in the LA White pages. LA is the largest City in the USA, and there is nothing listed! I would say that makes it a very obscure name indeed! Probably Welsh or possibly British!
Russ
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18. August 2009 @ 22:08 |
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mm thats odd with win 7, vista you can, did you boot up with a win 7 disc and try to wipe the boot disc or while within win 7, as when i had win 7 beta, i booted into the vista cd and wiped win7 off and installed vista.
maybe the RC is different
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18. August 2009 @ 22:17 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
Originally posted by theonejrs:
But the catch is with Win 7 you cannot format the Boot partition, you have to wipe the partition first with Killdisk or something like that and then format it.
Russ you must do some wierd things with your machines :) as i've not once had this problem, i've seen nothing different in Win7's behaviour than previous MS OSes. I've just done the usual which is just go thru a normal XP setup where XP happily deletes partitions and installs, and Linux live cd's which happily go about their business without a whimper..
Creaky,
Do you think I didn't try to do just that? LOL!! I even booted up a win 98 boot disk and tried to format the drive and Access was denied! I even tried the MBR but was denied access too! I ran killdisk on the entire drive, ran Acronis to set up a new drive, and it works fine now. XP-64 installed without issue after that. It's worked fine ever since!
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18. August 2009 @ 22:26 |
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@cincyrob
It's hard to make the right choice sometimes that's why we shop around and read reviews and ask people that have the same items that we are looking at to buy and to see reaction there getting out of the product all..I gotta say Best of Luck in your choice Robo what ever you get to matchup with your Q9550...Let me be the first to know what you decide on...lol
enjoy building:)
Ps...what's gonna be the best model platform here socket 1156
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2403&page=2
more sockets to deal with guys
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18. August 2009 @ 22:27 |
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Russ, when using the win98 bootdisk, did you select "delete non-dos partition" when using fdisk?
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18. August 2009 @ 22:42 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
here is a link to xtremesystems(hope its ok to post this. not promoting the site just a link for info.) another person with the biostar board and the Q9550 that says it isnt to compatable with the Q9550.
http://67.90.82.13/forums/showpost.php?p...unt=509
Ummm funny thing is Cincy...I'm working with that guy to help him to achieve his goal and tryin to point him in the right direction..i had that problem at first until..i got help and i'm just passing the info along to help...
Originally posted by sammorris:
I have heard very few failure reports about the new Biostar boards.
I can vouch 4 that only problem..I had was upgrading from the E8400 to a Q9550 little bio update issue that was fixed with a flash:)
Done out of Here!
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Originally posted by ddp:
Russ, when using the win98 bootdisk, did you select "delete non-dos partition" when using fdisk?
I tried everything ddp. I even dug out the DOS book because I couldn't remember all the command line parameters anymore! There's much more power in Win 98's DOS than there is in modern Command Line! It didn't matter, as all it would show me was the drive anyway. It would let me access the second partition only! This was an early version of 7 that MS was giving away. I forget what they called it. It was supposed to be good until July, and I understand it was extended until August! I downloaded it around the beginning of 09.
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19. August 2009 @ 02:22 |
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Im pretty sure I took Windows 7 back to XP without using Killdisk on one of my drives. I've made so many alterations in the last 6 months, its not even funny LOL! I have no idea what you guys are talking about. Ive not had any trouble removing Windows 7 or xp in the same regard. The only times I used killdisk, was to do a clean wipe of a very nasty virus, and returning a seagate drive!
The exploding disk story blew my mind as well LOL!
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What difference does it make whether a Quad or a Dual is in a board? The Biostar board is designed for overclocking full stop, it doesn't matter which CPU goes in it.
As for the reliability issue, the low quality of most Asus boards (in particular the P45 ones) is becoming pretty public. Anyone who thinks they'll get a good few years out of an Asus board is extremely naive or simply ignorant.
You simply don't hear the same about Gigabyte, MSI, Biostar or DFI boards. With at least four other decent brands to choose from, I still wonder why people find themselves buying Asus boards.
If you're that desperate for two LAN ports (just buy a switch!) then you can just get a dirt cheap PCI network card, they're often better than onboard anyway. (For ref, the EP45-DQ6 has four onboard LANs)
8-phase does not hinder a Q9550. Honestly. You'd only see the effect of that if you were pushing 4.5Ghz on vapour and needed something of the order of 1.6V.
As for the looks, it's not really a reason at all, it's simply that you're so disillusioned with one particular manufacturer you refuse to believe Asus aren't completely different. Fact is, Gigabyte boards can sometimes be prone to smaller issues (which facing facts, sounds more like the issues you had) - the majority of Asus boards that fail do so spectacularly.
What a thoughtful post, you're going to take a line like that as gospel the Biostar won't work well with a quad core. Easily convinced aren't you?
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19. August 2009 @ 05:08 |
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On another note, Im sure glad I thought to install Iobit's Smart Defrag on my new setup. ALL 3 of my drives are looking pretty fragmented. GROSSLY fragmented LOL! This program will VERY likely be one of the first installed from now on :) Fragmented as heck, and still busting butt! Now THERE'S a work horse LOL!
And it looks like they're ready for windows 7. EXCELLENT!
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Personally I use a PClinuxOS Live CD to do anything out of the ordinary with my drives. I had a fiddle with it as on OS ages ago but got fed-up when OpenSolaris installed its own boot menu that blocked access to anything but itself (its evidently not just Microsoft who are anti-competition scum).
I've looked at always-on defraggers before but I don't see why I need something else chewing on resources when its not hard to manually run Defraggler every so often.
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Likewise I have never had an issue wiping Windows 7 or XP using the format utility right on the disks. Just delete all available partitions and the drive is clean. As far as recoverable data I'm sure something is left behind but nothing that manifests itself in the next install.
I did have the Grub Command Line show up in Windows Vista during a boot.ini failure(my own fault) but I'm not sure if it's something built into Vista or if it's residual from some of my Linux experiments...
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Originally posted by sammorris:
What difference does it make whether a Quad or a Dual is in a board? The Biostar board is designed for overclocking full stop, it doesn't matter which CPU goes in it.
As for the reliability issue, the low quality of most Asus boards (in particular the P45 ones) is becoming pretty public. Anyone who thinks they'll get a good few years out of an Asus board is extremely naive or simply ignorant.
You simply don't hear the same about Gigabyte, MSI, Biostar or DFI boards. With at least four other decent brands to choose from, I still wonder why people find themselves buying Asus boards.
If you're that desperate for two LAN ports (just buy a switch!) then you can just get a dirt cheap PCI network card, they're often better than onboard anyway. (For ref, the EP45-DQ6 has four onboard LANs)
8-phase does not hinder a Q9550. Honestly. You'd only see the effect of that if you were pushing 4.5Ghz on vapour and needed something of the order of 1.6V.
As for the looks, it's not really a reason at all, it's simply that you're so disillusioned with one particular manufacturer you refuse to believe Asus aren't completely different. Fact is, Gigabyte boards can sometimes be prone to smaller issues (which facing facts, sounds more like the issues you had) - the majority of Asus boards that fail do so spectacularly.
What a thoughtful post, you're going to take a line like that as gospel the Biostar won't work well with a quad core. Easily convinced aren't you?
your right it shouldnt matter which CPU goes on the board but it does and has mattered. im sure all the people wit hissues on the board just cant be makeing it up. i could see if it was a group of people in the same area, but its not its people all over the world.
i have heard from more than just one person say the same things about the biostar board its not just one person. as with you sam you have had bad luck with ASUS boards i wouldnt expect you to say anything good about them just like i wont say anything good about gigabyte boards. granted im not the expereinced with builds but in know ive had 4 different gigabyte boards and all 4 have had to be RMA'd and all 4 there was a manufacture problems with each board. and im sure im not the only person in the world of build that has had these problems im sure there is many here that has had them and just wont admit it cause its the beloved gigabyte company. i said i didnt want to start the mobo war but i guess its to late for that. unfortiontly i cant add to it cause i dont know how other boards are just the crappy gigabyte boards ive had. honestly i dont know why i asked a question about a ASUS board and expected to get a honest answer in a one sided forum.
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19. August 2009 @ 09:53 |
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secretly rob you know we hadnt had a good argument in a while and thought, its that time of month :D
haha
btw asus have the marketshare over others on mobos, im sure if you sell so many a few go boom lol.
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