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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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14. August 2009 @ 07:17 |
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No russ, once again you've misunderstood me. I know the core 2s is a double-up, I was asking why Intel didn't produce an i7 tri-core, because that is a native quad environment.
Interesting about the unlock not working for you, was this still overclocked? Remember with two cores overclocked, your basically trying to use an original Phenom at 3.2Ghz, which is never going to work.
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14. August 2009 @ 10:53 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
No russ, once again you've misunderstood me. I know the core 2s is a double-up, I was asking why Intel didn't produce an i7 tri-core, because that is a native quad environment.
Interesting about the unlock not working for you, was this still overclocked? Remember with two cores overclocked, your basically trying to use an original Phenom at 3.2Ghz, which is never going to work.
Sam,
Sorry, I quite forgot that the i7 was a native quad! The unlock worked, and it would boot into xp at 2.7GHz. Just the load of a benchmark was enough to crash it! Regardless of speed, even underclocked to 2.5GHz, it would still go through the same routine as before finally ending with a locked computer and a continuous beep until you shut it down! It just wouldn't tolerate any load at all! At the moment, it's running at 3.0GHz at 1.39v. Below that I left the voltage on auto and let the EPP manage the memory! I may play with the HT frequency and see if I can run it at 10x, and see if that does anything!
Best Regards,
Russ
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14. August 2009 @ 11:29 |
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3.0Ghz on two cores I'm assuming. This is the example of why I don't tell people to buy AMD CPUs an expect to get more cores, it isn't always going to work.
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14. August 2009 @ 11:56 |
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Rumoured i7/i5/i3 prices:
LGA1366
i7 975: 3.33Ghz Quad, £591
i7 960: 3.20Ghz Quad, £332
i7 950: 3.06Ghz Quad, £332 (can't see this being the case for too long)
i7 920: 2.66Ghz Quad, £168 AMD rival: 965 Black edition (certain apps)
LGA1156
i7 870: 2.93Ghz Quad, £332
i7 860: 2.80Ghz Quad, £168 (not sure why the huge price gap)
i5 750: 2.66Ghz Quad (No HT), £117 AMD rival: 965 Black edition (possibly 955 as well)
i5 670: 3.46Ghz Dual, £168
i5 660: 3.33Ghz Dual, £117
i5 650: 3.20Ghz Dual, £105
i3 540: 3.06Ghz Dual, £85
i3 530: 2.93Ghz Dual, £73 AMD rival: X2 550?
I know high speed dual cores is a very niche market, but in appropriate apps, the i5 670 looks rapid. It's also £32 less than the E8600 it will undoubtedly flatten.
TDPs allegedly 125W for i7, 95W for i5 and 65W for i3. Not sure about i5 750 versus 650, or the actual power consumption (considering that Q6600s and E6750s met their 95W and 65W TDP figures almost exactly whereas the E5200s and Q8400s ended up at 50W and 80W)
Red CPUs due for release early 2010, rather than next month for the rest.
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14. August 2009 @ 12:13 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
3.0Ghz on two cores I'm assuming. This is the example of why I don't tell people to buy AMD CPUs an expect to get more cores, it isn't always going to work.
Very true! But the 7750 being half a quad makes the failure rate higher than looking to get a single additional core working on the triple. The odds are much better then! At least this motherboard allowed it to post and boot up with all 4 cores working and load windows. The UD4H showed the cores with the ACC enabled, but it wouldn't even post!
I went ahead and raised the HT to 10x. Between it and leaving the memory and voltages up to EPP, has fattened my memory bandwidth from 5743MB/s to 6261MB/s. I have to install the new Sandra and then try again!
I also did another experiment with "Sweet Alice"! I ripped it again using AnyDVD 6.4.9.1. I could make a DVD from it, using DVD Shrink, but it wouldn't work at all with DVDRB/CCE! You can play it right from the HDD, but DVDRB is out! Strange!
Russ
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14. August 2009 @ 12:15 |
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Do you mean DS4H? You claim the board you have doesn't POST with the CPU, and also that the same board booted into windows... I'm confused.
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14. August 2009 @ 13:06 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Do you mean DS4H? You claim the board you have doesn't POST with the CPU, and also that the same board booted into windows... I'm confused.
This is what I just copied from my post! "The UD4H showed the cores with the ACC enabled, but it wouldn't even post"! With the UD4P, it will unlock the cores, post and boot into windows, but it's like starting an egg timer. Even if left completely alone, you eventually here the wail of a single long beep!
I'm pretty pleased with the way it's running right now. I OC'd the video card the same as before and it just runs real nice. I may leave it this way for Russell!
Russ
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14. August 2009 @ 16:41 |
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Sorry I forgot there was a UD4P and UD4H, I'm still not used to the H tag.
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14. August 2009 @ 16:49 |
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To unlock mine I can give you the steps I took . The most important to make it hold was to drop the HT to 1600. Chris
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14. August 2009 @ 20:32 |
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Done out of Here!
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14. August 2009 @ 21:12 |
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It's an all-acrylic case, which means it's impossible to hide cables in, is very noisy, very expensive and very easily damaged...
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14. August 2009 @ 21:41 |
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that case is the sexcellent Silverstone RV02 "Raven 2" case.
i <3 it :)
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14. August 2009 @ 22:40 |
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Originally posted by ChrisC586:
To unlock mine I can give you the steps I took . The most important to make it hold was to drop the HT to 1600. Chris
Chris,
Thanks, but I tried that. I also tried the - adjustments with the ACC and lowering the CPU frequency. It will run fine, as long as you don't stress it at all. Running Sandra benchmarks just makes it fail faster. It will just hang the test. The mouse will still move, but you can't open or close any windows. Right after the mouse locks up it just wails at you, and you have to press reset or power down to stop it. No indication of any heat problems at all. Not too many 7750s will unlock the two cores anyway. Thanks for the suggestions though!
Best Regards,
Russ
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15. August 2009 @ 00:05 |
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Nice case Bigwill! I think im in ♥ LOL!
Although it looks fairly high maintenance depending on where one lives. Probably hard to keep clean in my area...(dry desert like terrain). I do see some advantages to that though. One would definitely see something visibly wrong pretty easy. E.g. a fan going out. I generally know when a fan goes out in my towers. The smallest noise from my tower does NOT go unnoticed LOL! However, nearly inaudible fans would probably be hard to tell.
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15. August 2009 @ 07:50 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
that case is the sexcellent Silverstone RV02 "Raven 2" case.
i <3 it :)
I found it
http://www.testfreaks.com/blog/press-rel...ddle-of-august/
the air design don't do it justice in that department and the plug ins on the top on thw way the motherboard is positioned crazy to me
I could'en stand plugs coming out the top of my case no way...the
outter trim reminds of a cm 690 case
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?cid=22&id=2975
Originally posted by omegaman7:
Nice case Bigwill! I think im in ♥ LOL!
Although it looks fairly high maintenance depending on where one lives. Probably hard to keep clean in my area...(dry desert like terrain). I do see some advantages to that though. One would definitely see something visibly wrong pretty easy. E.g. a fan going out. I generally know when a fan goes out in my towers. The smallest noise from my tower does NOT go unnoticed LOL! However, nearly inaudible fans would probably be hard to tell.
glad you fell in Love with something so clearly saw by the naked
eye...lol also omegaman whould you call this a clean area to work?
pretty clean to me brother:)
Originally posted by sammorris:
It's an all-acrylic case, which means it's impossible to hide cables in, is very noisy, very expensive and very easily damaged...
yes that's true you can't hide wires but you can cover them with protective covering a verious colors also and make it all neat and take your time with it and there is such thing in Dampering the case for noise reduction with padding materials damage the case Watch where you put it without moving it alot
Done out of Here!
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16. August 2009 @ 02:00 |
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Nice work area. A lot cleaner than mine LOL!
This is a disgrace! I suppose it ain't bad for the moment anyway. I had to give my mother the PSU from my secondary, because it got EXTREMELY obnoxious. To the point that would have made Sam commit suicide LOL! See...the gateway tower that I put the PSU in, is a tool-less design. And unfortunately, it was not designed to accommodate a PSU that is 1 inch longer than the stock PSU. So I put a half inch of foam on the case door, to hold it in place. It also sits on a 1/16 - 1/8 inch shelf. So I shouldnt have to worry about it falling. The foam is to simply keep it from vibrating around :) Not too bad If I say so myself. At least for a week anyway.
Looks like it may not be enough either! Oh well. It'll get me through 4-5 days anyway. anyone know of a good PSU, 5 1/2" in depth? It can't be longer than that because of the tool-less design. There's a clip, that when surpassed obviously doesn't work LOL!
I suppose the easiest way to think about it is its one of the older PSU form factors. Really tiny compared to some of today's large PSU's. So its probably one of the 20-40$ PSU's.
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16. August 2009 @ 05:12 |
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Originally posted by bigwill68:
lol also omegaman whould you call this a clean area to work?
pretty clean to me brother:)
That's really nice, i'd love to have my computer room that neat and sparse but who can live with just one PC (shudders) and no other bits and pieces :)
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16. August 2009 @ 15:10 |
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Well...my mother couldn't possibly be any happier. I asked her how her computer has been running, and she smiled. She is so happy that its sooo quiet. Its that thermaltake 430W by the way :D While there is a slight humming, its no where near the obnoxious whine/growl that it was before.
I wonder how many of you have tried google chrome. I installed it last night, and I would say that it runs at least as good as firefox. Possibly quicker. I guess time will tell. Its definitely pretty friggin smooth. :D
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16. August 2009 @ 15:12 |
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been using chrome for months, the latest firefox builds are too unstable.
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16. August 2009 @ 15:28 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
been using chrome for months, the latest firefox builds are too unstable.
Nah, Firefox is fine here :)
Plus here's a slightly older Firefox working nicely too ~ http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/637778/4801510
As for Chrome, i have it on my Windows 7 machine but i cannot for the life of me find how to go back to previously used tabs, it's like it's only developed for young people or something :O
..don't tell me how to find the tabs btw, i can't actually be doing with so many browsers anyway :p
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What a coincidence today I swapped to the dev version of Chrome and am quite happy with it. I know dev versions are generally BADDDDDD but I'm pleasantly surprised as it works well and has stopped an annoying random really slow load time that I had in the Beta. I'm also quite pleased with the speed of Namoroka (that's the early Alpha of Firefox 3.6) it's still not as fast as Chrome but is a fair bit faster then stable Firefox. Stability is a big problem in it though.
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16. August 2009 @ 17:10 |
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Next network structure failed today. 2 of 4 left...
LAN2 Fixed and LAN1 Dynamic (IP) still work, LAN1 Fixed and LAN2 Dynamic are both dead. Once the last two go, I'll need to reinstall windows. Not great considering this install is only 2 months old...
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16. August 2009 @ 17:37 |
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I'll tell you, I'm not having a very good time with Sata ODDs! When they work they are fine. No better than the IDE, but far more troublesome! I would love to know why they use such flimsy interface connections for Sata. I went to copy a DVD a little while ago and the drive went all the way through the burn and then wouldn't write the lead out! I couldn't even open the drive to eject the DVD!
I tried to uninstall the drive figuring that it would get it working again. Wrong! I still couldn't open the drive to eject the disk! I had to remove and re-install both drives, reboot and then shut down, then re-connect both drives and now they are working right again! The hard drives don't seem to have these issues, although if you don't disconnect all but the boot drive when you install a fresh copy of XP-Pro and format the drive, it will format a partition on the second drive too!. It has always formated the C drive as well as one of the partitions on my second drive if I leave them connected. It automatically recovers the second drive partition (which is time consuming), but you always lose something!
Frankly, I'm going back to IDE for the Opticals, as the Sata's have proved troublesome! I can't do much about the hard drives except remember to disconnect any additional Sata HDDs before I do a fresh install of the OS, since I always format the drive first!
Another gripe is that when you use the Sata cables with the locks, there's nothing to keep the plug locked to the ODDs. They lock to the motherboard end perfectly, but they are worthless at the drive end! I think that's a large part of the reason that some of us have had Sata connection problems. I just wish that the drive manufacturers would address the problem so that the locks would hold the data cables snug like they do on the motherboard! I would certainly hope that NASA doesn't use these flimsy connections on their computers in the Space Shuttle or their rockets! I'm perfectly open to any comments, or tips in setting up my Sata drives that might resolve these problems. Maybe I just don't have them set up properly as I know nothing about them at all!
Best Regards,
Russ
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16. August 2009 @ 17:41 |
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I have never had any grief with S-ATA Optical drives. Presumably you have faulty cables. The hassle with jumpers, the huge cables, and the vulnerability to being starforced of IDE drives coupled with the older technology is enough to keep me with S-ATA, and why not?
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16. August 2009 @ 17:55 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I have never had any grief with S-ATA Optical drives. Presumably you have faulty cables. The hassle with jumpers, the huge cables, and the vulnerability to being starforced of IDE drives coupled with the older technology is enough to keep me with S-ATA, and why not?
Sam,
Optical ODDs aside, someone needs to explain to me why when I format the C drive, it formats either the E or the F partition on the second drive as well! I select the partition that I want to format and make sure it's the correct partition (easy, as it's only 38GB), yet every time I leave the second drive connected, it formats a partition on each drive! I've never had this issue with IDE! I though that maybe since the second drive was once used for the boot drive (too noisy), that I needed to wipe the drive, but I've done that with Killdisk and when I re-formated and installed XP-Pro, it formated C on the boot drive and F on the second Drive. It's not just me either as I've seen lots of complaints about this problem on the net! If the cables are going to give this many problems, maybe the cable manufacturers need to resolve their problems with the cables and stop delivering junk! What good is the new technology if it doesn't work properly?
Russ
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