Originally posted by sammorris:

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Hehe, for HD video that's the perfect board. DX10 Mainstream Gaming though, if only. I'd still want to slap an HD4670 in there for that.

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Originally posted by spamual:

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yeha thats true. and most people, (not enthusiasts) dont know what framer per second is, nor do they go into the settings menu, they just fire away. and anything above 25 doesnt seem choppy, if you dont measure it, so it will be perfect for those kind of people. the 780G has been out for a while now. any new ones on the horizon with a 4 series intergrated chipset?

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We've head a chance to see Deneb, 45nm K10.5 with 6MB L3 cache and we can confirm that this CPU overclocks well. We've seen close to 4GHz overclocked part with AMD stock cooler on air and if you use water you will get over that milestone.

With LN2 you will get even higher than 5GHz and it will run stable in any of these circumstances.

We will get you more details soon, but I've just wanted to share with you guys that Deneb exists and a few people could see and play with it at the Austin, Texas Lone star campus. Stay tuned for more.

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AMD's latest 45nm CPU apparently has a large range of temperature operation, and overclocks extremely well.

AMD's latest 45nm CPU apparently has a large range of temperature operation, and overclocks extremely well.
In a ravenously positive post on Theo Valich's blog, formerly of Inquirer and TGDaily fame, he claims that AMD has worked specifically with extreme overclockers for the first time in years to achieve a 45nm design that is claimed to work flawlessly from -200C to +100C!

AMD has tweaked the on-die sensor to not lock the part when below zero and AMD techies have apparently worked around cold bugs in the new K10.5 architecture.

Apparently a with a good aircooled heatsink "4.0 GHz is a given on almost every Black Edition CPU that will hit the stores starting January 8, 2009." Watercooling is then claimed to hit 4.5GHz+ and extreme cooling has hit 6GHz in AMD, claims Theo.

Phenom II will launch as part of the new "Dragon" platform in January, along with the 790GX/FX northbridges and SB750 southbridge that includes the new ACC (Advanced Clock Calibration) function. This ACC function is apparently crucial to these overclocking escapades though, effectively making those who own boards with SB600 southbridges or Nvidia chipsets unable to achieve such levels of performance.

We approached Nvidia and asked if future Nvidia MCPs will also feature ACC and it confirmed that it's not an exclusive AMD technology and Nvidia products will feature it. This will enable better choice for the consumer, rather than the one horse race Intel is currently having.

Theo also claims AMD's latest AM3 Phenom II CPUs generate 16GB/s from dual channel DDR3 1,333MHz. While this is clearly less than Intel's triple channel malarkey with Core i7, we've seen in our initial Core i7 review it does little to further performance over dual channel.

The advantage Intel has is a higher integrated memory controller clock and faster core-uncore access over AMD. We can only hope AMD improves this internal latency with K10.5.

Finally, if a Phenom II 940 Black Edition (this is AM2+ however) is "40 percent of the amount you have to shell out for Core i7 Extreme 965," this could be perceived as good value. However, 40 percent of ~£875 = £350, 35 percent more than the very popular Core i7 920 that also hits 4GHz and is just £260. When we consider the platform cost though - AM2+ uses far cheaper DDR2, and AMD motherboards are generally a fraction of the price of the current Intel X58 boards out there, so it could all work out remarkably well balanced. The only final consideration is performance.

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". and anything above 25 doesnt seem choppy, if you dont measure it, so it will be perfect for those kind of people" - haha, depends on the game. Crysis, maybe, but almost any other game you need at least 40, usually about 45.

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Originally posted by sammorris:

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As I said, the performance of the HD3200 is better than any previous Onboard chipset, but that doesn't make hybrid crossfire any more useful.

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Originally posted by sytyguy:

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theonejrs,

Do you have links to those cases? If you posted them I could not find them.

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Originally posted by theonejrs:

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Here's the entire listing from Newegg!
http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory....a-Center-Cases.
I really like that Antec I posted as for my purposes, it's ideal!

Russ

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Originally posted by sytyguy:

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Originally posted by theonejrs:

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Here's the entire listing from Newegg!
http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory....a-Center-Cases.
I really like that Antec I posted as for my purposes, it's ideal!

Russ

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I was just looking at those, but wanted to be sure.

Many thanks.

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Originally posted by sammorris:

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Without even seeing the review, that's the very board I recommended my friend who was considering an upgrade. By the looks of things though he'll either simply stick a new CPU in his existing board, or be going with an Intel P31.

Having seen those results, that is better performance than I expected for HD playback. Every IGP i've seen before has been like the 690G they tested, 100% CPU and juddery, the HD3200 has done well.

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Originally posted by theonejrs:

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Here's a full review of the GigaByte MA78GM-S2H motherboard from Ligit Reviews!
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/676/1/
Enough goodies to keep anybody happy!

Russ

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