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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Originally posted by greensman:
rick to be different and because I like the ASUS for price and convenience I would go with the ASUS mobo. :) Russ is a wealth of information and he has provided some links to different reviews but it all boils down to preference, availability, and price. At this point the ASUS is about $25 cheaper than the Gigabyte. :D NOT always a selling point but I trust ASUS to build a good product and it seems the people like the mobo as well. :)
Good luck with your decisions....
Russ nice little thread you got going here... may it last. :D
...gm
add: oh and that deal on the Phenom 9600 Quad for $104.99 delivered is HARD to beat!!!! Give a look see at that. :)
GM.
With all due respect, Asus has never shown much interest or support for their lower priced motherboards, and with the experiences I had with them in the past, they are an expensive reminder of that fact! Just the fact that Asus hid their head in the sand, contending that there was nothing wrong with the P5E-SLI, while their own Forum had about 25 pages of complaints, all relating to pretty much the same issues I was having, was ridiculous! As a consumer that had problems that Asus refused to acknowledge, how else am I supposed to feel.
You'll notice that I've had no problems recommending Asus motherboards if they suited the needs of the person inquiring. As I said to Rick, The GA-MA78GM-S2HP, IMO is the better choice. I base that on my almost 3 year experience with using GigaByte motherboards in two different platforms. They were easy to build and overclock, and the quality has been outstanding. BTW, the price difference is only $10 at the moment. I'll gladly spend that much to have the piece of mind that if I ever do have a problem I can talk to someone with knowledge of their products and don't constantly tell you "I never heard of that before" to every issue that may come up. To me it's a question of getting competent help when you need it, rather than frustration at the lack of knowledge by people who are there, supposedly to help solve your problems! I would even pay a higher price for the Peace of Mind that goes with that!
I've built over 50 systems this past year using mostly BioStar and GigaByte motherboards. I've built a few Asus systems at the customer's request (5 I think) and I have had to RMA 1 BioStar, 1 gigaByte and 2 Asus MBs. I don't like that percentage of failure at all! I just don't trust Asus to build a quality product when it comes to lower priced components! It doesn't help when you are told by the Asus Rep, as I have that you should have bought a better MB!
Respectfully,
Russ
Thanks for the respect but I don't think any was shown and if you can't look at new products from a company that may have pissed you off in the past then your "insight" is completely null and void if you ask me.
To use a car analogy (i know that sammy loves these) my wife and I had a 89 Cavalier (chevy) and it was problematic to the tune of 2 sets of brakes, 3 computer models and some other stuff. OH and we had a 94 Ford Mustang that was ridiculously problematic. So with your logic it stems the idea that we should NEVER own another Ford or Chevy!!!!!!! So that leaves Chrysler and foreign cars. Man that sucks for me doesn't it. I should go on a rampage about it and tell everyone that I know that Ford and Chevy suck and NOT to buy them.
That would be stupid wouldn't it??? Well it's the way that I feel you go on about ASUS!! Completely asinine and silly if you ask me. OH and your math at the time seems off to me. The ASUS mobo is $65.99 delivered and the GB mobo is $79.99 + S&H which makes about a $23 difference. :D
NOW onto your post about my build. lol.
I like some of the changes but I'd still stay with the ASUS. The Optiarc you chose is a Lite-On rebadge and I wouldn't get it yet as there is no f/w updates as of yet and the AD-7200A/S is a proven model at this point and a true NEC chipped Optiarc. ;)
The CPU change is good if the Quad is that bad and reduces the price by $55 which is good. :)
I think that RAM is a matter of choice and if you're not gonna OC that system that much then going with the PC2 6400 RAM I chose would do you good. :)
Leaving 2 ODD's in and changing the HDD and CPU makes a new grand total of $272.95 after MIR. :D What a frikkin deal for a dual core AMD machine that is nice and quick as well as VERY CHEAP!!! Man I'm about to pull the trigger... hehehee. :P
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25. November 2008 @ 20:03 |
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looks like a good system to me :D
(esp with an ASUS board :D HAHA!!!!)
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25. November 2008 @ 20:17 |
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looks like a good system to me :D
(esp with an ASUS board :D HAHA!!!!)
Thanks shaaf. :)
I'm really thinking about this as I have the ODD's and HDD in my arsenal right now. lol. Shoot I even have some spare RAM.... So that build would cost me about $190 or so with a shiny new case and some newer AMD tech. I like AMD and always have but I haven't really messed with an AMD machine since 939 tech. :) I built the little machine for work but nothing special and it wasn't any cheaper than the build I'm looking at now with 10x the features and a more powerful cpu. I couldn't beat the price on the cpu tho... someone special sent it to me cause they liked me at the time... they may not now... ROFL. :P
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25. November 2008 @ 20:21 |
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For any dual core PC, sub $300 is criminal...
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25. November 2008 @ 22:38 |
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GM,
I think I was being very respectful. I didn't condemn the company, I didn't say that I wouldn't buy an Asus motherboard, only that I wouldn't buy their lower priced motherboards. If I had the need, I would have no problem buying a P5Q-Deluxe, in fact I've recommended that motherboard a number of times, it's one of the best. I just don't have the needs to require that kind of expenditure!
You car analogy is way off too. I think I showed a lot of restraint and qualified my feelings to the lower priced motherboards. I'm not a Chevy man. Never have been, but that didn't stop me from buying a Lumina Euro, the first year it came out. It was a very good car, minus a couple of early teething problems. I had an 89 Cavalier (Company Car) before that and it was a piece of junk. It was a 4 cylinder and was dangerously underpowered. In fact I almost got killed in it because it lacked reasonable power to get out of the way of a Semi! That didn't stop me from buying the 3.4 V6 Lumina Euro!
I've had a number of problems with low cost Asus motherboards, and confined my comments to those. I didn't "rant" about anything, nor did I go into details other than to speak about the problems I had with them, and even then very briefly. I know I was being honest in what I said, so I think you are reading something into what I did say, that just isn't there. I also think I have valid reasons why I wouldn't want to buy any inexpensive Asus motherboard!
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I couldn't beat the price on the cpu tho... someone special sent it to me cause they liked me at the time... they may not now... ROFL. :P
To me, if you disagree with someone, that doesn't mean you don't like them for disagreeing with you! The Sempron didn't cost me anything and you had a problem I could help solve. I would make you the same offer tomorrow if the need arose and I was in a position to do something to help! It wasn't doing anything but collecting dust, and I would never have used it for a build, anyway! Besides, the only one I don't like is that Wise A$$ Shaff! ROFLMSOAO!! :) Just kidding Shaff, I though your comment "(esp with an ASUS board :D HAHA!!!!)"
was funny! LOL!!
BTW! Optiarc claims that the 7220A is an NEC OEM, not a lite-On! If you look at them very carefully, you will see that they are physically different! R
Warmest Regards to the two of you,
Russ
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26. November 2008 @ 04:21 |
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GM,
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I think that RAM is a matter of choice and if you're not gonna OC that system that much then going with the PC2 6400 RAM I chose would do you good. :)
I've taken a little time to think that one over, and maybe I'm wrong but I would think that since the video uses some of the computer's main memory, unless you get one the models with the Portside 128MB DDR3 1066-1333 dedicated memory, that the memory speed would improve the video speed a bit by using 1066 memory. If anybody knows anything about this please feel free to join in. I really don't want to try and overclock 800MHz memory, and I know the Dominators will run forever at 1066. What do you think?
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Russ
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26. November 2008 @ 06:29 |
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That's very possible, and something I hadn't considered, but is the memory itself necessarily the limiting factor for bandwidth? I'm genuinely not sure on that.
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Originally posted by sammorris:
That's very possible, and something I hadn't considered, but is the memory itself necessarily the limiting factor for bandwidth? I'm genuinely not sure on that.
That's why I took so long thinking about it. I know you can increase memory bandwidth by raising the CPU speed, so maybe it works the same way with a GPU and memory I guess in theory if the memory was faster, then the video memory would also. be faster. Since the testing has shown that you can increase the GPU Clock easily to 800MHz, I guess it would make sense. I guess another theory would be that if you could cool the NB enough you could theoretically run the GPU at it's maximum setting of 1100MHz. I don't know that I would recommend that though. The NB is designed to get pretty hot. With such a tiny chip, I don't know if you could cool it enough. I guess I'll find out how well one of those Enzotec NB coolers will do on the 780G. I did notice that by modding the NB heatsink with MX-2 on the bioStar, it did cut down the heat quite a bit. Before the Mod, the heatsink got hot enough to burn your fingers if you weren't careful. After the Mod, I could grab the tiny heatsink and not get burned after hours of running it. I burned it in with Sandra for 24 hours, and it still never got as hot as it did in the begining, before the Mod!
If you look at the pictures from Newegg, the heatsink shown is much heavier than the one that I had, and about twice as wide. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138105 The one on the GigaByte looks pretty massive in the pictures. The Asus looks Positively huge as well!
The heatsink on the BioStar I built was made out of very thin alloys with a lot of surface for air to remove the heat. Maybe the heavier heatsink trapped too much heat. The chip itself is only about a 1/2" wide square. I imagine that a heat spreader would do more harm than good for the same reason. No one, including the people at the TechReport who tested the GigaByte commented on the heat or was concerned about it, so I guess it's all right. Time will tell I guess!
BTW! Did you get that little present from sendthisfile I sent you?
Best Regards,
Russ
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With the prices of the AMD quad core black editions going for as low as a $105 at newegg I would think that an AMD system would quite competitive with an Intel system when measured by price. With a less than $100 quality board and 2 gigs of quality RAM going for under $60.00 I would think that a very decent Quad core system could be built for around $700. 64026402 (Donald just picked up one of these Quote:
AMD Phenom 9600 Agena 2.3GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 2MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 95W Quad-Core Processor
and those of you who know him, know that he is the king of cheap. I should have some idea as to its performance relatively soon.
Donald's a serious overclocker and since the Black Editions come with unlocked multipliers he will soon find its limits. If anyone is looking for a low price high performance build that is probably a good place to start.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103244
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wasnt the none 9x50s the ones with the TLB bug?
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I thought the original 9850 was the one with the bug... Oh well.
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I think the new 9600s' are bug free. They also have AMD's new enlarged L3 Cache. I was just remarking that it could hit the same speeds and hence price point performance as the 9850 since it requires no Hyper Transport or memory adjustment, although I always overclocked my memory a bit when doing an AMD build. Memory performance is the one true advantage that AMD has held onto at least until the i7 release, and I suspect that when the new AMD's come out they will once again have a higher memory bandwidth than i7.
I've heard they are quite overclockable but since I have no direct experience with it I will wait to see what Donald pulls out of his. I will also wait to see if the bug is going to hit Donald. In all probability is a non issue for most users, and at $105 a hell of deal for an unlocked multiplier and has got to be a good start for a budget build.
http://forums.slickdeals.net/showpost.ph...686&postcount=5
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Originally posted by spamual:
wasnt the none 9x50s the ones with the TLB bug?
Spamual,
The 9x00s were the ones affected by the THB bug! The 9x50s were the solution! None of the 9x50s has the TLB bug!
EDIT:Part of the change that occured while Amd was fixing the TLB bug was the addition of B3 stepping. The ones Newegg are selling are B2 stepping according to AMD's product page. They have the TLB bug!
Regards,
Russ
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Don't worry. I'm not back. I just wanted to post on this thread one time so I would get email notification when there is a new post. I'm only lurking from a far and won't be contributing, only reading. :-) happpy thanksgiving to all.
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Originally posted by Mort81:
Don't worry. I'm not back. I just wanted to post on this thread one time so I would get email notification when there is a new post. I'm only lurking from a far and won't be contributing, only reading. :-) happpy thanksgiving to all.
Why would we worry? LOL!! Welcome the The New AMD Building Thread.
Glad to hear from you, and Happy Thanksgiving to you too!
Best Regards,
Russ
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I'd been wondering what happened to you. You quickly dropped off the radar without a sign. I had considered the possibility of alien abductions, or that you tried one of Russ' overclock settings, achieved nuclear fusion, and was vaporized. I don't hang here much either anymore, and the reason is because of the disappearance of people like you. I can only hope that there wasn't a government conspiracy involved!!
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Originally posted by spamual:
wasnt the none 9x50s the ones with the TLB bug?
Spamual,
The 9x00s were the ones affected by the THB bug! The 9x50s were the solution! None of the 9x50s has the TLB bug!
EDIT:Part of the change that occured while Amd was fixing the TLB bug was the addition of B3 stepping. The ones Newegg are selling are B2 stepping according to AMD's product page. They have the TLB bug!
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Russ
hehe, that was why i asked if it was the none 9x50 ones :D
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Originally posted by spamual:
Originally posted by theonejrs:
Originally posted by spamual:
wasnt the none 9x50s the ones with the TLB bug?
Spamual,
The 9x00s were the ones affected by the THB bug! The 9x50s were the solution! None of the 9x50s has the TLB bug!
EDIT:Part of the change that occured while Amd was fixing the TLB bug was the addition of B3 stepping. The ones Newegg are selling are B2 stepping according to AMD's product page. They have the TLB bug!
Regards,
Russ
hehe, that was why i asked if it was the none 9x50 ones :D
Oh! You meant "non"! Sorry for misunderstanding!
Russ
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Originally posted by Sophocles:
mort
I'd been wondering what happened to you. You quickly dropped off the radar without a sign. I had considered the possibility of alien abductions, or that you tried one of Russ' overclock settings, achieved nuclear fusion, and was vaporized. I don't hang here much either anymore, and the reason is because of the disappearance of people like you. I can only hope that there wasn't a government conspiracy involved!!
OT.. sorry Russ...
I know what happened to Morty... the KC Chiefs cheerleaders abducted him because they were wanting a real man since the team sux this year... hehehe. :) Good to see you at least make a "ghost" appearance Morty. :)
/OT
Russ your "thoughts" on the RAM is valid I think but if you're not a truly demanding user the DDR2 800 RAM will do. I do like the price of the DDR2 1066 stuff right now tho... it's dang cheap to say the least and if you have the 1066 RAM there's no need to worry about memory bottle necks to a point. :D $9.99 is hard to beat for "decent" RAM tho... DDR2 800 that is... :P
I shouldn't do this but I agree with Sophy about the AMD 9600 Quad. I'm not to worried about OC'in that little beauty and a Quad no less.... I'm actually excited about a new AMD build but I'm trying to save for a new "toy"... sooo computering is taking a back seat right now. :)
Looks like some good "insight" going on here... let's keep those minds open and the advice as good as ever. :D
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GM,
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I shouldn't do this but I agree with Sophy about the AMD 9600 Quad. I'm not to worried about OC'in that little beauty and a Quad no less.... I'm actually excited about a new AMD build but I'm trying to save for a new "toy"... sooo computering is taking a back seat right now. :)
My only concern with the cheap 9600 is the TLB error, because the fix chokes the hell out of things real bad. In essence, your cache memory is useless using it. According to that manufacturer, the processors that AMD have on sale have B2 stepping, which means it's not the new B3 stepping, which was one of the improvements put in when AMD fixed the TLB problem.
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3260&p=3
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Russ
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What about the Fan that comes with the AMD Phenom 9600 ? AMD offers a 3yr warranty their fan, so I'm guessing its OK. Mostly everybody bad mouths stock fans
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Originally posted by rick5446:
What about the Fan that comes with the AMD Phenom 9600 ? AMD offers a 3yr warranty their fan, so I'm guessing its OK. Mostly everybody bad mouths stock fans
Rick,
I can't find any information on the stock cooler at all. Considering every test I've seen has used an aftermarket cooler, and they still ran hot at stock speed (idle 50C), my best guess is that it's not of much use. I know the ones for the 64x2s is an aluminum block 2 3/16" wide x 3 1/16 long x 1 7/16 high with a 70mm 9 bladed fan on the top. These work very well for the 45 and 65w CPUs. Are they worth the extra money to buy the Box processor with the 9600? Probably not until you consider the difference in warranty. The Box with the Cooler has a 3 year warranty, while the OEMs have no warranty from AMD at all, and only 30 days replacement from Newegg! Fortunately the Box is on sale at Newegg for $104.99. Be advised that the 9600 has the TLB error, and the fix cuts performance anywhere from 3.1% to a whopping 72% as it basically shuts down the on chip cache. That 72% is using Win RAR, so it's more like 10-15% average for the rest. Something to consider!
Best Regards,
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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