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27. November 2008 @ 07:15 |
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I'll probably stick with my original Specs. As posted earlier
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27. November 2008 @ 07:39 |
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Originally posted by rick5446:
I'll probably stick with my original Specs. As posted earlier
Rick,
Unless I can come up with some factual info on the 5050e, I'll stick with the 4850e myself! I already know that I can overclock it 500 to 600MHZ if I want. It all depends on the temps.
Happy Thanksgiving,
Russ
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27. November 2008 @ 08:20 |
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I'd be curious to see what the stock cooler is for the Phenoms, if I remember rightly they didn't use to come with them. Any cooler that can take that much heat is going to be relatively impressive, it would have to be of at least Freezer 64 standard or it would probably shut down on load!
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27. November 2008 @ 12:52 |
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27. November 2008 @ 19:22 |
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Sophy the only thing that I would really consider is a change in your ODD's. I think you chose CD-RW's on accident. ;)
I would look at 2 of these. :) link to Sony Optiarc NEC AD-7200A $39.98 for 2 of them. ;)
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27. November 2008 @ 19:42 |
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Sophy the only thing that I would really consider is a change in your ODD's. I think you chose CD-RW's on accident. ;)
Ooops! I did indeed get lost. Thanks Greeny I added them.
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27. November 2008 @ 20:43 |
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I have an AMD Quad 9950 and 9550, both seem to run really nice. I have 2G of ram with 512mb Asus 8600gt cards and Gigabyte MA790GP-DS4H MB. The 9950 drives a little faster than the 9550.
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28. November 2008 @ 03:16 |
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Sophocles,
Nice build. The only things I would change would be the MB for a
Biostar A780G M2+ $59.99 w/$10 MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138105
and the PSU
Antec Earthwatts 430w $34.99 FS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371006
If I was putting it together for me, I would just rather have a 780G MB. This particular one is the little "MB that could" and handles the 95w 9600 with no problems. It's what I used for the recent x2 4400+. The 780G or 790Gx are the best AMD chipset MBs at the moment, and this one does everthing well! The Antec Earthwatts because it's 80% Certified. The cost difference wouldn't be that great and I think it would be a better all around computer. The cost difference would amount to about $20, roughly.
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28. November 2008 @ 09:30 |
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Nice build. The only things I would change would be the MB for a
Biostar A780G M2+ $59.99 w/$10 MIR
As a rule I would agree if the intention was to use the onboard graphics since the 740G supports only DX9 where as the 780 supports DX10, and the 740 supports two sticks of memory vs the 780g's 4 sticks of memory, but beyond that there is no benefit to the chipset differences. Since Two gigabytes of memory is more than enough for a quality budget build I would personally prefer to stick with the Gigabyte board because of its known build quality, but others might see it differently.
As for the power supply differences either will do just fine. I'm now recommending this one Thermaltake Purepower W0100RU 500W ATX 12V 2.0 which $54.99 with a $40.00 rebate making it $14.99 which lowers the price of the system.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153052
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28. November 2008 @ 10:28 |
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28. November 2008 @ 11:13 |
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Originally posted by Deadrum33:
Well I think I'm making a purchase, and the Gigabyte board with 780g chipset http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128335
I cant decide on a CPU though, any deals today to look at? I'm making a Black Friday purchase for someone else and thought I'd throw this in for me.
DR33 I'd really consider the AMD Phenon 9600 for $104.99 at the EGG. ;) If not that then the AMD 4850e I think it is.
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add: looks as tho the 9600 is out of stock for now, you might search around and see if it's available somewhere else. ;)
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28. November 2008 @ 11:33 |
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Well I think I'm making a purchase, and the Gigabyte board with 780g chipset
I would agree to that choice. I didn't use it in my cheap build package because most people don't purchase more than 4 Gigabytes of RAM or use integrated Video, but there is no doubt that the 780G has better integrated video than the 740G.
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28. November 2008 @ 12:19 |
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Heres where I'm at, I have everything else for a build I only need a mobo + CPU combo. I've wanted to try the new AMD offerings for a while and for the price I just may. I couldnt find the 9600 in stock at my usual haunts and GM and TheoneJR mentioned 4850e and tiger direct has those while the egg doesnt. I also seen the 5600+ right next to it at $10 more and 2.9 vs 2.5 stock. If I remember right, the 4850"e" was for because its a little cooler and energy efficient? Thats not totally needed in this specific build and I would pay the extra for the speed increase.
Right now the AMD combo (5600+ and gigabyte board I linked)is coming in at about $180 before shipping
The Intel combo I was looking at (E8400 Wolfdale, Gigabyte EP43-DS3L) comes in at $240 before shipping and am totally ready to pay for that.
I'm trying to talk myself down from an Intel "OC friendly" machine to a really good AMD machine. I'd like opinions and arguments in either direction. If it helps, I'm either going to give it to my (step)son (in advanced IT training for U.S. Military ARMY National Guard) for Christmas or sell it after its built but I will be playing around with it for a month either way.
Only benefit of 1 over the other for me is that if I go AMD I can keep my 7600GT video card for something else down the road and stay with onboard video. I'm done rambling, thanks for putting up with it, have a nice weekend all.
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28. November 2008 @ 16:39 |
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28. November 2008 @ 17:34 |
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Right now with the 9600 Quad for $105 is out of stock and I don't think AMD is still producing them anymore. With the 9600's replacement (non TLB error) the 9650 $50 more, I would go with one of these dual cores.
This is what happens when people get caught up obsessing over something like the TLB error which they know little about. OOO scary stuff!! Like they're all into virtualization and fear for professional data loss. For gaming and encoding it would've amounted to nothing even without the patch. The truth is that I haven't read a single post where someone who purchased the 9600 experienced TLB errata and it makes sense, because how many of us actually use virtualization? The upside is that for those of us who are wise in the way of making the most from the least it became a great deal.
The 9600 was a better deal than the 9650 because of its unlocked multiplier and because 99.9% of the time it was no more likely to cause a data error for average users. That meant lower prices and better performance.
For some reason everyone kept overlooking the fact that the 9600 was also a black edition
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28. November 2008 @ 17:45 |
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Originally posted by Sophocles:
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Right now with the 9600 Quad for $105 is out of stock and I don't think AMD is still producing them anymore. With the 9600's replacement (non TLB error) the 9650 $50 more, I would go with one of these dual cores.
This is what happens when people get caught up obsessing over something like the TLB error which they know little about. OOO scary stuff!! Like they're all into virtualization and fear for professional data loss. For gaming and encoding it would've amounted to nothing even without the patch. The truth is that I haven't read a single post where someone who purchased the 9600 experienced TLB errata and it makes sense, because how many of us actually use virtualization? The upside is that for those of us who are wise in the way of making the most from the least it became a great deal.
The 9600 was a better deal than the 9650 because of its unlocked multiplier and because 99.9% of the time it was no more likely to cause a data error for average users. That meant lower prices and better performance.
For some reason everyone kept overlooking the fact that the 9600 was also a black edition
Soph,
I didn't mean it that way. I was just pointing out that the 9650 was the 9600 model without the TLB error. very few people ever had problems with the "Dreaded" TLB error! I didn't mean it to sound like it was an issue for everybody. In fact I've yet to see any reviewers that even came across the problem in their tests! In truth, the 9600 with B2 stepping is about 3% faster than the 9650 is with the B3 stepping. Not as bad a hit as the Software fix, but still a loss!
Best Regards,
Russ
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28. November 2008 @ 17:52 |
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28. November 2008 @ 17:59 |
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I didn't mean it that way. I was just pointing out that the 9650 was the 9600 model without the TLB error. very few people ever had problems with the "Dreaded" TLB error! I didn't mean it to sound like it was an issue for everybody. In fact I've yet to see any reviewers that even came across the problem in their tests! In truth, the 9600 with B2 stepping is about 3% faster than the 9650 is with the B3 stepping. Not as bad a hit as the Software fix, but still a loss!
That's Okay Russ, my post wasn't generally meant for you. You were reflecting a lot of the feelings that surfaced on more than one thread when I posted the info on the 9600. Since I posted the info I've had members contest and offer their usual Intel solutions and they use the TLB bug as their trump card. Then along comes the inexperienced who listened to them and a good deal floated out of their sights. I wonder how many of these same individuals know that Intel's also have errata in their processors? There was a burst of information about that over a year ago and then it got quashed, probably by Intel.
So here it is:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7897
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/28/core_2_duo_errata/
By starting this thread you were in effect championing AMD's right to some attention for their technology, and I support that because it would be a gray day if Intel stood alone as the only processors manufacturer. Just imagine if AMD never unseated the P4 series? We would all still be trying to overclock a Prescott single core variant. Do a little internet research on Intel errata and you will find lots of info that will surprise many. HLG
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28. November 2008 @ 18:20 |
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Originally posted by Sophocles:
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I didn't mean it that way. I was just pointing out that the 9650 was the 9600 model without the TLB error. very few people ever had problems with the "Dreaded" TLB error! I didn't mean it to sound like it was an issue for everybody. In fact I've yet to see any reviewers that even came across the problem in their tests! In truth, the 9600 with B2 stepping is about 3% faster than the 9650 is with the B3 stepping. Not as bad a hit as the Software fix, but still a loss!
That's Okay Russ, my post wasn't generally meant for you. You were reflecting a lot of the feelings that surfaced on more than one thread when I posted the info on the 9600. Since I posted the info I've had members contest and offer their usual Intel solutions and the use the TLB bug as their trump card. Then along comes the inexperienced who listened to them and a good deal floated out of their sights. I wonder how many of these same individuals know that Intel's also have errata in their processors. There was a burst of information about that over a year ago and then it got quashed probably by Intel.
So here it is:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7897
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/28/core_2_duo_errata/
By starting this thread you were in effect championing AMD's right to some attention for their technology, and I support that because it would be a gray day if Intel stood alone as the only processors manufacturer. Just imagine if AMD never unseated the P4 series? We would all still be trying to overclock a Prescott single core variant. Do a little internet research on Intel errata and you will find lots of info that will surprise many. HLG
It is nice to see some interest in AMD's new technology, and I have to say that I've never come away from an AMD build without being impressed. The 780G boards are real eye openers for very little money. There's more to speed than just synthetic benchmarks. I have no reservations about getting rid of my C2D and replacing it with a 4850e and a 780G MB. It will do everything I want and do it as good or faster, and that's all I want or need! Just to see folks getting excited about AMD again (and deservedly so) makes this thread worthwhile. To be able to do it without being harassed and beat over the head with Intel this and Intel that, makes it more exciting.
For me, after putting OxiMoron together and using the 4800+ for a while, I wanted one. After the 4400+ on the Biostar 780G MB, that want turned to "Gotta Have One"! For a 2.3GHz 64x2 at stock 2.3GHz to get my attention the way it did, and to actually prefer it over my E6750, I just have to have a faster one for myself! LOL!! I spent 3 days of constant use and abuse with that 4400+ without a single hiccup or glitch just added to that feeling. Not needing a ton of fans to keep things cool was a big plus too!
Thanks for joining our little party,
Russ
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28. November 2008 @ 19:32 |
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I've known the Intel CPUs have errata for a while now, but overlooked it because I've never experienced it. The same only seems fair with the AMDs, it wasn't immediately obvious to me that the situation can't happen outside of virtualisation, I assumed it was just more likely to come up in this scenario. I stand corrected.
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28. November 2008 @ 19:56 |
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has anyone heard of this problem with the AMD dual core that somtime on some of the CPUS in the dual core range that the temps can be miss read from the cpu. is there any fix for this i have updated my bios on MB but still NO! change.
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28. November 2008 @ 20:11 |
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has anyone heard of this problem with the AMD dual core that somtime on some of the CPUS in the dual core range that the temps can be miss read from the cpu. is there any fix for this i have updated my bios on MB but still NO! change.
That can happen on any processor where the thermal sensor has gone bad or gets stuck. It's a common issue with the new Intel core 2's. My E8400 had a stuck sensor and my Q9650 has two that disagree. You have two choices for measuring temperatures, you have the core sensor which measures from each core for T-jmax reading and your T-case sensor which takes an outer measure. If you're concerned that one is wrong then use the other because it's rare that they both go bad. The most accurate measure is the core sensor but the T-case measure can help you estimate the core temperature quite close by adding another 7c to 10c to it.
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IIRC, isn't this only a problem with core temperature readings, not the main CPU reading?
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28. November 2008 @ 22:39 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
IIRC, isn't this only a problem with core temperature readings, not the main CPU reading?
It can happen with all three sensors on a dual core. It's just more likely to happen with the core sensors because of their hotter environment and the more radical temperature changes they experience in use. It is far less likely to occur with the CPU sensor because of the lack of such radical change in temperatures, because it's range in use is almost always much narrower.
That's exactly what happened when the pin broke on my CPU cooler. I had a 4-5C increase in CPU temperature, but the cores got much hotter! It made my computer lock up and freeze!
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