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15. February 2008 @ 12:34 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Well the lowest RAM multipliers you can have are 2.0x and 2.4x with most boards I believe, so if you use 2x, you can go up to 533(2133) FSB before needing to overclock the RAM which is huge. If 2.4x, you can go up to 444(1777) FSB before the RAM gets overclocked. For CPUs with a 9x multiplier like the E6850, that's 4Ghz and beyond, even at 2.4x. For CPUs with a 7.5x multiplier that's 3.2Ghz on the 2.4x or 3.84Ghz on 2.0x.

Even with PC6400 RAM, if you use 2.0x multipler you can make 1600mhz on the FSB before needing to overclock. As long as you don't have an E6300 or E6320, that still means a big overclock.



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so ram doesn't matter THAT much when it comes to OC, all you need to do is lower the multiplier and you're good to go
Exactly. But only certain motherboards have the ability to lower the RAM multiplier. I recommend Gigabyte boards because AFAIK most of them have this feature.



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I think even the P31-DS3L can do it can't it?



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I think even the P31-DS3L can do it can't it?
Like I said, as far as I know most of them have this feature. The exception probably being OEM boards for mass manufacturers.



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even my GA-945GCMX-S2 has RAM multipliers. I want to get 8GB of ram, and dual boot XP and Vista. But i need to wait until vista's problems are fixed

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I want to get 8GB of ram, and dual boot XP and Vista. But i need to wait until vista's problems are fixed
I'd say that after Service Pack 1, Vista would be a good option.

It's a little more annoying to use at first due to the MS approximation of "security" but it's every bit as solid and stable as XP.

And no guys. That's not a joke. XP is a good OS and so is Vista.



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Originally posted by Estuansis:
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I want to get 8GB of ram, and dual boot XP and Vista. But i need to wait until vista's problems are fixed
I'd say that after Service Pack 1, Vista would be a good option.

It's a little more annoying to use at first due to the MS approximation of "security" but it's every bit as solid and stable as XP.

And no guys. That's not a joke. XP is a good OS and so is Vista.
if anyone can remember, everyone complained about xp aswell, hell even more than vista, untill sp2 came out, it was a piece of sh!t aswell :D.



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yeah Vista is great OS but, it's 64-bit is very annoying, not all program supports it.

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15. February 2008 @ 13:12 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Also, a friend just asked me why I chose to sell my 8800GTX and keep my X1800XT 512MB.

It allows me to MAX out my settings.

I'm talking 108FPS average CS:S stress test at 1920 x 1200 with 4X AA and 8X AF.

Half Life 2: Lost Coast Stress Test, 60FPS average at 1920 x 1200 w/ 2X AA and 8X AF.

Call of Duty 2 1280 x 960 w/ 4X AA and 8X AF gives me an everage of 40FPS and a minimum of ~30FPS. Maxing out near about 70FPS.

FEAR performance test. 1280 x 960 w/ 2X AA and 8X AF. Average 43FPS, minimum of 27FPS, max at 92FPS.

So while it's not my 8800GTX, it still games well above my comfortable levels for image quality and performance.



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Originally posted by GTR35:
yeah Vista is great OS but, it's 64-bit is very annoying, not all program supports it.
not fully true. most drivers are there. MS states that and signed drivers (which most companies sign up to) HAVE to have a 64bit alogn side the 32bit.

nearly all companies, esp for stuff you will use have them.



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Originally posted by Estuansis:
Also, a friend just asked me why I chose to sell my 8800GTX and keep my X1800XT 512MB.

It allows me to MAX out my settings.

I'm talking 108FPS average CS:S stress test at 1920 x 1200 with 4X AA and 8X AF.

Half Life 2: Lost Coast Stress Test, 60FPS average at 1920 x 1200 w/ 2X AA and 8X AF.

Call of Duty 2 1280 x 960 w/ 4X AA and 8X AF gives me an everage of 40FPS and a minimum of ~30FPS. Maxing out near about 70FPS.

FEAR performance test. 1280 x 960 w/ 2X AA and 8X AF. Average 43FPS, minimum of 27FPS, max at 92FPS.

So while it's not my 8800GTX, it still games well above my comfortable levels for image quality and performance.
BUT, when you start playing newer games, you will feel the heat :D



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XP's 64-bit is even worse, so moaning about Vista's isn't really valid!
Estuansis: At 1280x1024, an X1800XT's all you really need for now. 1920x1200 and it's a bit more tricky though... :P



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15. February 2008 @ 13:31 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
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BUT, when you start playing newer games, you will feel the heat :D
Well, the only two games it has problems with are Oblivion and Crysis.

Oblivions problems are/were minor. Adjusted my iMinGrassDistance variable to 120 and that gave me ~10FPS with almost no difference in the grass quality. I've never had an unplayable moment yet due to low FPS so I'm happy with it.

And Crysis... well... I never really bought it yet. I'm waiting for some new video cards to come out. Even my 8800GTX choked(a little bit) with the demo. That was all high settings at 1650 x 1080. So I can deal with not having my 8800GTX for a while.

I have yet to find a game that I actually play that shows its limitations. When I finally do, I'm thinking GeForce 9 series. So my X1800XT is gonna stay for a while :D

At least ~6 months.

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Estuansis: At 1280x1024, an X1800XT's all you really need for now. 1920x1200 and it's a bit more tricky though... :P
Well, you win some, you lose some. Most older games can do 1920 x 1200 with zero problems. And most newer games can do 1650 x 1080 or 1280 x 960 with some AA so I'm not in a hurry yet :)

1280 x 960 with AA is good enough for me.

Actually, 1024 x 768 with 4X AA is an acceptable setting for me too. So, honestly, the X1800XT could last me quite a while. But I like using my monitor, so I'll upgrade sooner than later if at all possible :)



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@Estuansis
you know when you said that as long as you lower the ram multiplier you'll be able to OC the cpu quite high. Does that mean even with high timing like 5-5-5-18 ram wouldn't be a problem?

check this out guys, this is really interesting, making me want Vista even more than ever.
http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/02/15/vista_workshop/

64-bit vista can support more than 8GB of ram, but all the motherboards can only go up to 8GB, well server mobo are exceptions.

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thast it, OcUK TAKE THE FU(KIGN PISS!!!!!

OVER £200 for the E9200, its just takes the piss. there phone skills are horrible(when they feel like strolling in and picking it up), and just now they mucked up over £600 worth of item for a client, by NOT sending next day, even though they said they would, and then having parts out of stock, although the webiste was in stock.

scan frm now on

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now ill only use them if they have an item which is not sold in the uk, bar by them.



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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
thast it, OcUK TAKE THE FU(KIGN PISS!!!!!

OVER £200 for the E9200, its jsut takes the piss. there phone skills are horrible(when they feel liek stollign in and picking it up), and just now they mucked up over £600 worth of item for a client, by NOT sending nnext day, even though they said they would, and then having parts out of stock, although the webiste was instock.

scan frm now on

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had they not had superb forums, with good and inteligable people on them, and a decent lay out, i would block the site.

now ill only use them if they have an item which is not sold in the uk, bar by them.
no offense shaffaaf, would you please check your spelling before you click "Post Reply" it'll be easier for some of us, otherwise there isn't any problems. thanks m8! ^^

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"m8".....LOOOL trying to be english :P



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LOL! yeah, that "m8" is pretty cool word, or should i use "bru" or "Dude"

why don't people start making apps or games that works on 64-bit OS?

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you know when you said that as long as you lower the ram multiplier you'll be able to OC the cpu quite high. Does that mean even with high timing like 5-5-5-18 ram wouldn't be a problem?
Correct. As long as you adjust your multiplier and keep your RAM at or near stock speeds, you can take your processor as high as voltage, cooling, and your mobo, will allow.

Latency timings only come into play when you OC your RAM. Generally, higher clocks require looser timings(higher numbers) and lower clocks let you put lower timings(lower numbers).

Take note. My RAM is at 4-4-3-10. These are exceptionally low timings. If I wanted to take it up from stock to say DDR2 1066, I might have to loosen my timings to say 4-4-4-12 or 5-5-5-15(or even higher) to make the OC stable.

Hope that made sense :)



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um...i get this part
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Correct. As long as you adjust your multiplier and keep your RAM at or near stock speeds, you can take your processor as high as voltage, cooling, and your mobo, will allow.
i don't really get this part
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Generally, higher clocks require looser timings(higher numbers) and lower clocks let you put lower timings(lower numbers).

Take note. My RAM is at 4-4-3-10. These are exceptionally low timings. If I wanted to take it up from stock to say DDR2 1066, I might have to loosen my timings to say 4-4-4-12 or 5-5-5-15(or even higher) to make the OC stable.
i thought lower the timing = better OC, the higher the timing less OC.
so having higher timing 5-5-5-12 = more OC?
I'm new to RAM OCing! woo hoo!

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i don't really get this part
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i thought lower the timing = better OC, the higher the timing less OC.
so having higher timing 5-5-5-12 = more OC?
I'm new to RAM OCing! woo hoo!

lol, It took me a while to understand as well :P

Well, lower timings(ie, 4-4-3-10) mean lower latency and faster operation. But when you turn up the speed of your RAM(ie, from 800MHz to 1066MHz) you have to raise your latency timings(ie, from 4-4-3-10 to 5-5-5-15).

Higher quality RAM, like mine, won't require you to raise your timings very much. Higher quality RAM = lower timings at both stock and OC.

If you don't raise your latency, you will have stability issues. Crashes, bluescreens, hanging on boot.

I know, it's very confusing :P

But that's the beauty of a RAM multiplier. You can OC your proc to the moon and leave your RAM at stock settings. This lets you OC with even super dirt-cheap, crappy RAM.



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This lets you OC with even super dirt-cheap, crappy RAM.

then why people buy such expensive RAM then? Is it because of the quality and the overclockability? I was thinking of buying 2x2GB of G.Skill DDR2 800 ram 5-5-5-12, lots of people say it can't get pass 950mhz, is that because of the tight timing?

i want to show you guys my idle temp, i have print screen it but i can't paste it, how do i upload it?

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then why people buy such expensive RAM then? Is it because of the quality and the overclockability? I was thinking of buying 2x2GB of G.Skill DDR2 800 ram 5-5-5-12, lots of people say it can't get pass 950mhz, is that because of the tight timing?
Yeah. The expensive RAM is made solely for its RAW speed, quality, and OC'ability.

5-5-5-12 is not tight timings by any standard. 4-4-4-12 is lower, and 4-4-4-3-10 is even lower.

The lower the numbers, the tighter the timing, the faster and better the RAM.

That G.Skill stuff can ONLY hit 950? For mid quality, high-latency RAM that is really decent. You should get it anyway and not OC your RAM or OC to only about 900MHz. There isn't much of an overall speed boost to be gained by OCing the RAM and lowering the timings. It is usually done for benchmark scores, where better RAM can really make a difference. That RAM you picked out is already good enough on its own.



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I'm having a problem getting to 4Ghz. My ram only clocks to 950Mhz. I wish I had gotten better Ram and a heatsink lol!
 
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