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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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Any Flaming Results in a Temp Ban or Worse. Your Choice!!!
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6. September 2009 @ 19:53 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Every time you mention AMD it's like someone stuck a smelly turd under your nose!
You know that isn't the case and I want that line removed.
I have been in several offices, and trust me, almost all of the new machines are dual cores. I will also state that they are always Intels. That's not fanboyism, that's simply the truth. Seemingly Dell, Viglen and HP/Compaq, the three major players for business in the UK have deals with Intel (which wouldn't surprise me given the anti-trust laws).
The reason the Intels are given a 65W TDP is that they use a level of power roughly similar to that when they are maximally stressed, i.e. OCCT or orthos. In real world use, they use 50W, you can see that from any benchmark. The other CPUs (Intels included, not just AMDs) typically go over for peak wattage. Note that it's only the E5/6/7 and Q8 series that have 15W lower power than the TDP. The E8 and Q9 series are spot on.
I'm sick of discussing this. In every post that states both the positives and negatives of AMD CPUs, bitch bitch bitch you hate AMDs, good god it's tiresome.
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6. September 2009 @ 20:00 |
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can we all just drop it and move on to tomorrows lga 1156 launch!?
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6. September 2009 @ 20:01 |
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Please.
I eagerly await something to rid us of this age-old waste of text. Trouble is, it's an intel product. Let's not even mention AMD, just in case...
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6. September 2009 @ 20:24 |
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ok, forget the lga1156 launch, how about ODDs then :D
come on GM out with the ODDS!
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6. September 2009 @ 20:30 |
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Go for it, I need something to send me to sleep, it's getting late... :P
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6. September 2009 @ 21:40 |
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Originally posted by keith1993:
Hear, hear!
(What were we saying about short posts :L)
Dito!
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6. September 2009 @ 23:25 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I don't like arguments I get blamed for that I never intended to start in the first place.
Sam,
You will continue to get arguments as long as you make statements like: "You are so focused on making sure everyone knows that AMD are the new best thing that you are zoned in on every little test that comes out in AMD's favour, whether or not it's remotely relevant". Not true at all! I post results from sources I respect without regards to whether they are specifically pro AMD or not! Or:"for the price they're one of the best value dual core chips out there, for non-enthusiasts". I'm sure that the AMD people will be pleased to hear that they are considered non-enthusiasts if they buy a 550BE! Or:"Obviously when you consider overclocking like all high end AMD CPUs they're rather useless, but still good enough for midrange gaming PCs". The review I posted shows that the 550BE, is a lot better than your claims! I could have posted the Anandtech review too, but it was just a redu of Neoseekers review anyway!
While I realize that you are entitled to your opinion, you have this habit of using descriptive words like Horrible, useless and ghastly to hammer home your points. Now you want to throw out AMD's results with a number of games because of high frame rates, as meaningless! Each CPU had the chance to see which was best at which game, and the 550BE did a nice job at gaming against the E8400. I mention the E8200, and suddenly it becomes a chip that really can't be included, as it's not up to snap with the performance of other 8000 series chips, yet you were the one that said that the 550 couldn't compete with the 8000 series!
It's not just me either. Any time anyone says something positive about an AMD CPU, you just have to say something to argue the point. I've posted countless results here and in the AMD thread to show the progress AMD is making, and you have Pissed on every one of them. You don't like Tom's or Anandtech, so therefore their results in your eyes, are not relevant! You leave newbies reading your posts with a very false impression about AMD, which is not right or fair at all! We are here to help people, and to make recommendations in choices of hardware.
I work on hundreds of computers every year and I should have over 60 customer builds this year alone. I get to see and experience the performance of all sorts of hardware. Some good and some bad. I factor all of that in, when I make recommendations for new hardware. When someone asks about hardware I know nothing about, I research it on the net, even if I don't answer their post. I may be an old dog, but I can still learn some new tricks! LOL!!
Russ
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6. September 2009 @ 23:43 |
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Russ,
IMHO, you win the argument, but you do know you are fueling the fires for "you know who". Might be best to let it rest.
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6. September 2009 @ 23:51 |
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no offence but both of you have to stop, constant bickering. cant we go back to the mobo wars, right now there is only 2 sides, there we have me for asus, russ and sam for GB bigwill for biostar, etc etc xD
sytyguy, why put the snide comment in? who does it help, all you had to say is that i agree with russ, now let this end, instead of taking a quite pathetic shot, IMO, at "you know who"
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6. September 2009 @ 23:56 |
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Originally posted by sytyguy:
Russ,
IMHO, you win the argument, but you do know you are fueling the fires for "you know who". Might be best to let it rest.
sytyguy,
Thanks! I've spoken my piece, and said all that I'm going to say on the matter! Thanks again for the advice!
Warmest Regards,
Russ
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7. September 2009 @ 00:31 |
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good idea everybody.
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7. September 2009 @ 03:10 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
intresting thing, i saw the prices on newegg for the whole i5 line up!
cheapest mobo coming at around $100 ish and the 750 i5, (the 920 without HT and dual channel ram) @ $200 ish.
its very nice! and apparently overclocks with the minimum of 1GHz, and most should hit 4GHz, like the D0 920.
how will AMD combat this?
Shaff,
There's nothing on the US newegg site yet, I just looked! No motherboards yet either! Apparently some dealers here have sold some i5s already, and Intel is not happy about it! They'll get over it! LOL!!
How is AMD going to combat the i5? Invest in Swiss Francs! LOL!! Realistically, MB, 920 CPU and memory is going to run about $400. I seriously doubt that any enthusiast is going to want an entry level motherboard, and maybe not even the entry level CPU. I also don't understand why Intel would turn off HT on the 920. My guess is so it doesn't cut into sales of the higher priced CPUs. I think a lot is going to depend on the strength of the USD. Right now, the Intel Core i5 is not going to sell in large numbers here. No one has any money, and the people that do aren't spending it, so sales are going to be low! Not the best of times to be introducing a new platform!
Best Regards,
Russ
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7. September 2009 @ 03:22 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
I think a lot is going to depend on the strength of the USD. Right now, the Intel Core i5 is not going to sell in large numbers here. No one has any money, and the people that do aren't spending it, so sales are going to be low! Not the best of times to be introducing a new platform!
Totally concur, LOL! Do you concur? Concur with what... :P Love that movie. "Catch me if you can"
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7. September 2009 @ 03:49 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Originally posted by theonejrs:
I think a lot is going to depend on the strength of the USD. Right now, the Intel Core i5 is not going to sell in large numbers here. No one has any money, and the people that do aren't spending it, so sales are going to be low! Not the best of times to be introducing a new platform!
Totally concur, LOL! Do you concur? Concur with what... :P Love that movie. "Catch me if you can"
Oman7,
Speaking of movies, I watched District 9 last night. Very strange flic, and I concur with that! LOL!!
Russ
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7. September 2009 @ 08:34 |
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Ah of course, the good old fashioned Russ 'last word'. A good bit of needless quoting here, and a bit of misinterpretation (I'm beginning to think it's deliberate) there, the sytyguy mod suckup with nothing useful posted. This forum runs like clockwork, the same cycle over and over.
Ignoring the hopeless current argument, something else I haven't seen since, oh, last week, is the fact that a new intel product clearly won't sell because it costs too much and nobody has any money. Hate to break it to you Russ, but if nobody had any money at all, they wouldn't be buying systems off you either. Fact is, you're using a motherboard that falls well within the pricing category for P55, the i5 750 will be $192 MSRP, only $3 more than the X4 955, and DDR3 memory is an AM3 staple as much as it is an i5 staple. By that logic, an i5 quad core system costs the exact same as an AMD quad core system with an X4 955. Presumably everyone's so poor the quad core is doomed then? I hardly think so.
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7. September 2009 @ 09:47 |
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Okay guys points made and points taken, time to let it rest. Otherwise Will and I will have to start taking shots with our Biostar Galacta boards.LOL
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7. September 2009 @ 09:48 |
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Well you'll hear no argument from me on that even if you do... :P
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7. September 2009 @ 13:11 |
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7. September 2009 @ 13:15 |
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P55-UD3R and Biostar TP55 now marked as standard choices for new system builds. Any sign of the i3 dual cores yet?
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7. September 2009 @ 13:17 |
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LOL! Thats one of the largest posts ive ever seen. Not to mention, the most intel brand products ive ever seen in one place :P
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7. September 2009 @ 13:20 |
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300$!!! Too rich for my blood...
Even the 209$ model is too much.
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7. September 2009 @ 13:25 |
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Before we get a Russ-o-matic "nobody will be able to afford them" - I will point out that the first CPUs to appear are the top-end CPUs. Every other Lynnfield CPU will cost less than those, and there are quite a lot due to come.
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7. September 2009 @ 13:36 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
P55-UD3R and Biostar TP55 now marked as standard choices for new system builds. Any sign of the i3 dual cores yet?
not that i can find. aparently they are 2010 iicr.
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7. September 2009 @ 13:42 |
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I wouldn't say NOBODY could afford them. That'd just be silly. Not everybody is suffering during these hard economical times. The people WITH money, simply need to weigh price/performance/value...oh and probably personal tastes. :D
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7. September 2009 @ 14:04 |
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As far as I knew, the i3 dual cores were due out at a similar time to the other CPUs listed, it was the top end dual cores like the 3.46Ghz one that were going to be 2010.
Omega: That's not really the point though, the other i5s, assuming they turn up shortly, will be just as good value as the current 775/AM3 lineup. Well, technically they'll be better value, because they'll be better performers.
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