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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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Any Flaming Results in a Temp Ban or Worse. Your Choice!!!
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1. December 2009 @ 22:24 |
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Having faulty drives plugged into hard drive controllers wreaks all sorts of havoc, that's no fault of the controller, it's just how they work. One of the simplest ways of stopping a PC from being able to even POST is to attach an IDE drive but forget the power. Bad hard drives cause crazy things. As long as the 250GB drive works fine in all cases except those where the 500 is present, I'm thinking it's a simple case of faulty drive (500)
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1. December 2009 @ 22:24 |
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1 faulty drive can cause another drive to appear faulty until the actual 1 is removed. try the 250 with the wd drives without the 500g attached.
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1. December 2009 @ 22:25 |
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Haha, we both posted the same message, only I used three times as many words as was necessary... Got to cut down a bit :P
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1. December 2009 @ 22:37 |
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we also posted the same time.
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bigwill68
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1. December 2009 @ 23:03 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I think a new cable is in order.
I think a New drive is in order Sam throw Seagate out the window.lol them and Maxtor are in the same Boat of of Bio Boot fails
not seeing... I Tryed every color cable availible and nothing when.I hooked it up as a slave in every sata port even the purple 1's.lol the system booting real slow this below where the arrow is sometime it froze and started running again.I even tryed Solo cause Ro said it had a OS on it(Nothing) something Quick working hard drive (Dead)
@CincyRob
Get your RMA ready to send this Boy back.I tryed everything the drive is spinning yes just not detecting in any of my boards ep35c-ds3r,ep35-ds3r,ep45-ud3p and the biostar I45 both windows xp home 32 and 64 and win 7. I've tryed to do a fresh install did'nt show up the 250 No Problems
this is your Old board it's on p35-ds3r 2.0rev Ask for a refund and get a
WD500Green
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136358
Wd1Tb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136317
I got both slapped in the centurion
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2. December 2009 @ 01:18 |
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I can't trust Seagate anymore. They blew it for me. Western Digital never has failed me. I'm so confident while saying that, I DON'T need to knock on wood. I hope they make an SSD that blows the competition out of the water. While I respect OCZ and Intel, I would sure love to continue using WD when I make the transition to SSD.
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2. December 2009 @ 01:55 |
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I always Liked WD never have let me down as well:)
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2. December 2009 @ 08:15 |
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The 7200.11 is where it started getting iffy for Seagate. The 7200.10 and 7200.9 are pretty solid and I'm not concerned about owning one of each in 750 and 250GB respectively, but as you see, the 7200.11s aren't bulletproof, and the 7200.12s do this all the time even when new. With the large size of Seagate's new drives, that's a lot of data to lose.
So far, the only dodgy WD I've had was one of the very first WD5000AAKS drives, which wouldn't write properly, but you could still read from it, and to be honest, thinking about it it may well have just been dodgy firmware which I could have flashed, it never even occurred to me at the time. Even the 37GB Raptor I bought off someone with some bad sectors that got reallocated still works 100%. Frankly WD is the only name in mechanical storage I trust.
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2. December 2009 @ 10:00 |
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well it looks like i need t oget in touch with seagate, as that drive is only 6months old(since ive bought it) time for a RMA. or just look into a 1TB WD drive. thats what i need.
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bigwill68
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2. December 2009 @ 11:49 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
well it looks like i need t oget in touch with seagate, as that drive is only 6months old(since ive bought it) time for a RMA. or just look into a 1TB WD drive. thats what i need.
Good deal give me call when you ready to swing by and pick them up.i suggest 1TB WD Green also...I hav'en had any problems with it...I just use it for storage that's it of torrents.I would like to have another one beside it that's what that empty space is for in my hard drive bay is for...
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2. December 2009 @ 12:01 |
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http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3288/hddlist.jpg
Of the top 4, it's WD, Samsung, Samsung, Seagate
Of the bottom 9, it's WD, WD, WD, Samsung, WD, WD, WD, WD, Seagate.
In order of noise, I would place (from noisiest to quietest)
1. Illusion (Seagate) - Random beeping when accessed (known issue with 7200.10 750GB drives), loudest seek of all but one of the drives, joint 2nd loudest vibration (120Hz)
2. Pegasus (Samsung) - Highest vibration of all (120Hz), can exceed volume of gaming PC fans at full speed when resonance occurs
3. Candela (Seagate) - Loudest seek of any HDD I own (Raptors inclusive)
4. Radiance (Samsung F1) - Joint 2nd Loudest vibration (120Hz), significant airborne noise (c. 1560Hz)
5. Adrius (Samsung F1) - Joint 2nd Loudest vibration (120Hz)
6. Eclipse (WD Black) - Mediocre vibration, 3rd noisiest seek
7. Aurora (WD Blue) - Mediocre vibration, normal seek
8. Mirage (WD Blue) - Little vibration, normal seek
9. Tie for 5 WD green drives - Minimal vibration, negligible seek
Aurora is empty as I'm selling it this weekend, with a view to replacing its spot in January with another WD15EADS. Should also cut the vibration level down a bit.
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2. December 2009 @ 12:27 |
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RMS? Whats that? :)
Ahh, are you using the mathematical meaning?
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2. December 2009 @ 15:35 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
I can't trust Seagate anymore. They blew it for me. Western Digital never has failed me. I'm so confident while saying that, I DON'T need to knock on wood. I hope they make an SSD that blows the competition out of the water. While I respect OCZ and Intel, I would sure love to continue using WD when I make the transition to SSD.
Oman7,
I don't use any large drives to begin with, and used WD drives until I had a 1GB go bad and then the 2Gb drive that WD replaced the 1GB with went South. I switched to maxtor drives, and never had any problems with them, even though a lot of people had problems with the Diamond 8 and 9 series drives. When Maxtor became part of Seagate, I started using Seagates. I've had the odd Deathstar and Spinpoint drives, here and there, which were very noisy if used as the boot drive, but not near as noisy when used for storage. They were also slower than the Seagates. I'm looking into a 500GB WD to add to my computer for storage, and am considering one of these!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136320
Seagate has cheaper 500GB drives, but few have the 5 year warranty of the WD model I'm considering. I'm not interested in the Green drives at all, I like the 7200 rpm drives. There's also the question if the WD will be as fast as my two Seagates. Both of mine are 93MB/s, while other drives I've used are only 73MB/s. Since it's going to be used to store DVDs, I'm not too worried about it.
Best Regards,
Russ
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2. December 2009 @ 17:11 |
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Windows 7 is installed on my Brothers WD5001AALS. It does very well. It doesn't quite have the feel of the WD1001FALS, but it tries ;) The WD1001FALS is the best drive i've bought thus far! I had to have a second one. The newest one is my Boot drive in my XP secondary pc. It does VERY well :D
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2. December 2009 @ 17:27 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Windows 7 is installed on my Brothers WD5001AALS. It does very well. It doesn't quite have the feel of the WD1001FALS, but it tries ;) The WD1001FALS is the best drive i've bought thus far! I had to have a second one. The newest one is my Boot drive in my XP secondary pc. It does VERY well :D
Oman7,
For my intended use, I don't think I could justify the $35 price difference if I bought the WD1001FALS.
Russ
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2. December 2009 @ 17:31 |
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Ahh. Well...in my opinion you'll be missing out on a significant performance gain. The AALS and AAKS have nothing on the FALS drive. I don't know how to explain it, but the FALS almost feels like the Velociraptor...
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2. December 2009 @ 17:53 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Ahh. Well...in my opinion you'll be missing out on a significant performance gain. The AALS and AAKS have nothing on the FALS drive. I don't know how to explain it, but the FALS almost feels like the Velociraptor...
Oman7,
Since I would never use a drive that large to put my OS on, it won't really matter that much. I thought about getting an 80GB drive for my boot drive, but 160s are only a couple of dollars more, so I'll stick with it. I even tought about getting a WD 250 w/16MB Cache, but again the WD5001AALS is only a few dollars more, and has a 32MB Cache. I want a third physical drive to optimize DVDRB/CCE performance like Creaky does with his!
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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2. December 2009 @ 17:59 |
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LOL! That's what I do. Rebuilder utilizes 2 opposite drives, so my OS drive doesn't interfere with the encode. However, it does slightly because I believe it uses the OS drives cache...
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2. December 2009 @ 18:00 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
I want a third physical drive to optimize DVDRB/CCE performance like Creaky does with his!
Russ
Well i use HC not CCE, but yep, i have DVD-RB's source folder on one drive, the work folder on another and the destination folder on yet another. I do this for all other programs too. Mine are all WD5000AAKS's (well apart from the externals, most of which are WK5000AAKB's), i use large drives for the OS too as i use the remaining space for storage, but i sort of understand why a lot of people use small drives for the OS. I don't agree with using small drives, but i do understand it :p
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2. December 2009 @ 18:59 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
Originally posted by theonejrs:
I want a third physical drive to optimize DVDRB/CCE performance like Creaky does with his!
Russ
Well i use HC not CCE, but yep, i have DVD-RB's source folder on one drive, the work folder on another and the destination folder on yet another. I do this for all other programs too. Mine are all WD5000AAKS's (well apart from the externals, most of which are WK5000AAKB's), i use large drives for the OS too as i use the remaining space for storage, but i sort of understand why a lot of people use small drives for the OS. I don't agree with using small drives, but i do understand it :p
Creaky,
If I just use it for OS and storage, the 160 will be fine. Make the C partition about 50GB, and the D partition for Program storage and such, it works out to being much quieter. My Seagate 160 is dead silent, and at 93MB/s, is quite fast! I can get a Western Digital Caviar Green WD7500AADS 750GB SATA 3.0Gb for the same price as the WD5001AALS 500GB, but they obviously have problems with the design, and they seem to have a very high failure rate. The WD5001AALS seems to be the better drive by far! Just going over all the reviews on Newegg, I counted 22 failed or DOA drives out of reviews of the Green 750GB. That's around a 20% failure rate! Way to high for me to consider.
Russ
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2. December 2009 @ 19:17 |
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I'm just glad i went with the WD5000AAKB's/AAKS's as the 13 i have are 2 years old now, virtually silent, no vibration whether internal or external in caddies, and (touch wood) perfectly fine.
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Red_Maw
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2. December 2009 @ 19:20 |
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My cpu no longer passes IBT (linpack) but before I do anything drastic, can anyone confirm if IBT works on windows 7? So far I've seen mixed results (working for some and not others).
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2. December 2009 @ 19:24 |
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I'll be honest, my "career" with WD didn't start until a 160GB IDE drive at the beginning of 2004. Ever since then I've preferred the WDs to other drives, for various reasons. Maxtors and Seagates used to be the noisiest - Maxtor got you cheap, Seagate got you reliability. As of 7200.11 Seagate finally figured out how to make HDDs quiet, but at the cost of making them reliable. Seagate recently withdrew their long-standing 5 year warranty program to "be in line with the rest of the industry". Now all you get with a Seagate is 3 years. That should say enough.
If you don't care much about noise, there is no reason not to buy 7200rpm drives. For absolute storage capacity and quietness, the 5400rpm drives make absolute sence, the storage per £/$ is incredible, and the noise level of all the 5400rpm competitors is negligible. I've pulled 80MB/s off even my 5400rpm drives before, the 7200 WDs I own made about 90, the Black is good for over 100. In real world file transfers this comes out at around 65, 75, and 85-90.
I agree with Creaky in not using a large drive for the OS, as it's a waste not to put anything else on it, and if you do, you compromise on the performance gains of buying a black drive in the first place. That said, buying a drive any smaller than 750GB is now counterproductive due to the cost, a 1TB drive only costs 60% more than a 500GB drive.
The 1TB and 1.5TB green drives have a high failure rate on newegg, but I've had no issues, nor did I expect any. Quite frankly, I chalk newegg reviews like that up to delivery damage (common for HDDs) or user ignorance.
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2. December 2009 @ 19:43 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I'll be honest, my "career" with WD didn't start until a 160GB IDE drive at the beginning of 2004. Ever since then I've preferred the WDs to other drives, for various reasons. Maxtors and Seagates used to be the noisiest - Maxtor got you cheap, Seagate got you reliability. As of 7200.11 Seagate finally figured out how to make HDDs quiet, but at the cost of making them reliable. Seagate recently withdrew their long-standing 5 year warranty program to "be in line with the rest of the industry". Now all you get with a Seagate is 3 years. That should say enough.
If you don't care much about noise, there is no reason not to buy 7200rpm drives. For absolute storage capacity and quietness, the 5400rpm drives make absolute sence, the storage per £/$ is incredible, and the noise level of all the 5400rpm competitors is negligible. I've pulled 80MB/s off even my 5400rpm drives before, the 7200 WDs I own made about 90, the Black is good for over 100. In real world file transfers this comes out at around 65, 75, and 85-90.
I agree with Creaky in not using a large drive for the OS, as it's a waste not to put anything else on it, and if you do, you compromise on the performance gains of buying a black drive in the first place. That said, buying a drive any smaller than 750GB is now counterproductive due to the cost, a 1TB drive only costs 60% more than a 500GB drive.
The 1TB and 1.5TB green drives have a high failure rate on newegg, but I've had no issues, nor did I expect any. Quite frankly, I chalk newegg reviews like that up to delivery damage (common for HDDs) or user ignorance.
Omega: No, RMS is short for Ratmanscoop - identifies my gamer name.
Maw: I don't think I've tested it. To be honest, I stopped using Linpack when I realised I could still have an unstable PC even if it passed, yet it could crash when my PC had been at the same stable settings for 6 weeks.
Sam,
Some of Seagate's warranty's are less than a year for some bare drives. They still have about 20% of the drives listed on Newegg as 5 year warranty though. 6 out of 25!
Russ
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2. December 2009 @ 19:45 |
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They do for now, I'm willing to bet only the enterprise grade megabucks drives will have it next time around... :S
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