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Red_Maw
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2. December 2009 @ 19:53 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I don't think I've tested it. To be honest, I stopped using Linpack when I realised I could still have an unstable PC even if it passed, yet it could crash when my PC had been at the same stable settings for 6 weeks.
In my case I'm using to to try and locate the source of my instability; I'll probably just RMA the MB to start with, don't think I can narrow it down any further anyway.
Out of curiosity, what do you use as a stability test, if anything?
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2. December 2009 @ 20:51 |
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http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3288/hddlist.jpg
Of the top 4, it's WD, Samsung, Samsung, Seagate
Of the bottom 9, it's WD, WD, WD, Samsung, WD, WD, WD, WD, Seagate.
In order of noise, I would place (from noisiest to quietest)
1. Illusion (Seagate) - Random beeping when accessed (known issue with 7200.10 750GB drives), loudest seek of all but one of the drives, joint 2nd loudest vibration (120Hz)
2. Pegasus (Samsung) - Highest vibration of all (120Hz), can exceed volume of gaming PC fans at full speed when resonance occurs
3. Candela (Seagate) - Loudest seek of any HDD I own (Raptors inclusive)
4. Radiance (Samsung F1) - Joint 2nd Loudest vibration (120Hz), significant airborne noise (c. 1560Hz)
5. Adrius (Samsung F1) - Joint 2nd Loudest vibration (120Hz)
6. Eclipse (WD Black) - Mediocre vibration, 3rd noisiest seek
7. Aurora (WD Blue) - Mediocre vibration, normal seek
8. Mirage (WD Blue) - Little vibration, normal seek
9. Tie for 5 WD green drives - Minimal vibration, negligible seek
JEEZUS WTF LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! That picture just kills me. Most of them are full XD
This is all I can manage right now:
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My other PC has 2.5TB of drives with one 1TB WD Green full, one half full, and a Samsung Spinpoint HD501LJ as the OS drive.
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2. December 2009 @ 20:55 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
I'm looking into a 500GB WD to add to my computer for storage, I'm not interested in the Green drives at all, I like the 7200 rpm drives. There's also the question if the WD will be as fast as my two Seagates. Both of mine are 93MB/s, while other drives I've used are only 73MB/s. Since it's going to be used to store DVDs, I'm not too worried about it.
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Why you don't like the Green? They gave a reason why they made the greenQuote:
As hard drive capacities increase, the power required to run those drives increases as well. WD Caviar Green drives make it possible for energy-conscious customers to build systems with higher capacities and the right balance of system performance, ensured reliability, and energy conservation
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Cool and quiet - WD GreenPower Technology yields lower operating temperatures for increased reliability and low acoustics for ultra-quiet PCs and external drives.
I wanna say alittle on the energy bill.I won't buy nothing but WD drives plus.I like the low power spin-up time and the IntelliPower...
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2. December 2009 @ 21:27 |
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Originally posted by Red_Maw:
My cpu no longer passes IBT (linpack) but before I do anything drastic, can anyone confirm if IBT works on windows 7? So far I've seen mixed results (working for some and not others).
Red_Maw.I running Win 7 Ultimate 32bit on my UD3P no problems here I passes at 10 passes on IBT and LinX
IBT at 3935 at Ten Passes No Problems.I dropped down again and rest here for now
LinX 10 passes at 4130 passed no Problems
Check your vcore maybe you need alittle more mch Juice something slipped out of place
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2. December 2009 @ 21:52 |
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Originally posted by bigwill68:
Red_Maw.I running Win 7 Ultimate 32bit on my UD3P no problems here I passes at 10 passes on IBT and LinX
IBT at 3935 at Ten Passes No Problems.I dropped down again and rest here for now
LinX 10 passes at 4130 passed no Problems
Check your vcore maybe you need alittle more mch Juice something slipped out of place
Thanks. I've checked everything and even did a run at 1.3v, which is what i used to hit 3.6ghz two years ago, and it still failed at stock. I'm hoping it's the MB as if I can and do get a replacement from Intel it won't OC nearly as well as my current one.
43C at 4.1ghz during linX, if that's on air I'm impressed (and quite jealous lol). I can't even get temps that good on stock lol.
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2. December 2009 @ 23:13 |
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Originally posted by Red_Maw:
43C at 4.1ghz during linX, if that's on air I'm impressed (and quite jealous lol). I can't even get temps that good on stock lol.
naw i hit the reset afterwords it was between 61c & 68c on the stress test sorry for that I'm idle at 36c now:)
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2. December 2009 @ 23:53 |
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Originally posted by bigwill68:
Originally posted by theonejrs:
I'm looking into a 500GB WD to add to my computer for storage, I'm not interested in the Green drives at all, I like the 7200 rpm drives. There's also the question if the WD will be as fast as my two Seagates. Both of mine are 93MB/s, while other drives I've used are only 73MB/s. Since it's going to be used to store DVDs, I'm not too worried about it.
Best Regards,
Russ
Why you don't like the Green? They gave a reason why they made the greenQuote:
As hard drive capacities increase, the power required to run those drives increases as well. WD Caviar Green drives make it possible for energy-conscious customers to build systems with higher capacities and the right balance of system performance, ensured reliability, and energy conservation
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Cool and quiet - WD GreenPower Technology yields lower operating temperatures for increased reliability and low acoustics for ultra-quiet PCs and external drives.
I wanna say alittle on the energy bill.I won't buy nothing but WD drives plus.I like the low power spin-up time and the IntelliPower...
Happy Build'in
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Will,
I don't like them because of the high failure rate. Way too high! I just got done looking over 174 "poor" WD Green reviews, and virtually all of them were DOA or drives that failed in fairly short order. I can't lay the blame on Newegg, as every drive I ever bought from them worked fine and was packed well. The only DOA drive I ever had was Air Mailed about 40 feet into my front yard by a FedEx driver, and that was from TigerDirect.
Most HDDs can handle quite a bit of shock when powered down with the heads parked. Something on the order of 300G for 2ms. Even powered, they can still absorb about 65G for 2ms, because the moving parts that could cause a problem, like the heads, are super light and have so little inertia to them. The new 2TB Green Drive has been a nightmare for many that bought one, with either DOAs or quick failures. If you had a lot of Green drives, presuming they last, I guess you could make a difference in the electric bill, buy 1 drive is not going to show a measurable difference. I don't like or use Kool and Quiet either, It's annoying! I prefer all my case fans to run at a constant speed, ie: familiar sound!
I've done my green bit for energy with my CPU! I know you are going to say that both the 7750 and the 630 are 95w CPUs, and you would be right, but aside from CCE, which is the only program I have that uses all 4 cores, it uses less than 50w, using two cores or less. The max each core can draw, is only 23.75w, where each core on the 7750 was 47.5w. Even single core apps could draw as much as that, with the 7750.
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Russ
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Originally posted by Red_Maw:
Originally posted by bigwill68:
Red_Maw.I running Win 7 Ultimate 32bit on my UD3P no problems here I passes at 10 passes on IBT and LinX
IBT at 3935 at Ten Passes No Problems.I dropped down again and rest here for now
LinX 10 passes at 4130 passed no Problems
Check your vcore maybe you need alittle more mch Juice something slipped out of place
Thanks. I've checked everything and even did a run at 1.3v, which is what i used to hit 3.6ghz two years ago, and it still failed at stock. I'm hoping it's the MB as if I can and do get a replacement from Intel it won't OC nearly as well as my current one.
43C at 4.1ghz during linX, if that's on air I'm impressed (and quite jealous lol). I can't even get temps that good on stock lol.
So Will,
Where's the Sandra benches already? Not the 2009 one though, please! LOL!!
Russ
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3. December 2009 @ 01:13 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I agree with Creaky in not using a large drive for the OS, as it's a waste not to put anything else on it, and if you do, you compromise on the performance gains of buying a black drive in the first place
I dunno. My 1Tb drive blows away the 5000AAKS. No doubt about it. Everything runs MUCH smoother. Besides, i'm pretty sure the FALS drive has better Mb/s. As well it should. Size and speed seem to go hand in hand.
Planning ahead here. Is it possible, that a Pentium 4 Prescott (2.4Ghz) can handle a Windows 7 64bit OS?
Intel Says "No" to 64-bit Pentium 4 in Retail
So just because it COULD be deactivated, surely the OS would recognize the potential (as it were), and be ok with the install.
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3. December 2009 @ 01:52 |
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Originally posted by Sam:
I agree with Creaky in not using a large drive for the OS, as it's a waste not to put anything else on it, and if you do, you compromise on the performance gains of buying a black drive in the first place.
huh?
Originally posted by creaky:
i use large drives for the OS too as i use the remaining space for storage, but i sort of understand why a lot of people use small drives for the OS. I don't agree with using small drives, but i do understand it :p
I personally love putting my OS on a big drive, my last 8 HDD haven't been less than 500GB, roughly since they were the current 1TB price.
Of course I use a 100GB C: partition while the other one is a random storage collector, with page and temp files for both my XP and Win7 discs, DVD-RB work folder, local copies of applications used to diagnose clients machines etc.
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3. December 2009 @ 02:16 |
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sam has quiet a few green 1TB drives, that all work perfectly fine.
personally i think, SSD for the OS drive, a small (like 80GB) for the PAge file, and a nice 1.5TB 5400RPM Drive for storage, (possibel one more externally for backup) :)
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3. December 2009 @ 02:30 |
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^ I would agree with that. Currently I have a 80GB OS drive (half linux, half windoze) and and some storage drives. Would like to get a SSD but they still cost too much for me.
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I think most of us would love to get our paws on a new SSD. Heck, I'd like a dozen. Just so I could stare at the other eleven LOL!!!
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The only thing I regret about my SSD is that I jumped at the 30GB while it was on sale. Granted it works astoundingly well, its just a little small now that the new car smell has worn off. I'm too cheap to buy the size I want so I turn my attention to other things.
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Planning ahead here. Is it possible, that a Pentium 4 Prescott (2.4Ghz) can handle a Windows 7 64bit OS?
Intel Says "No" to 64-bit Pentium 4 in Retail
So just because it COULD be deactivated, surely the OS would recognize the potential (as it were), and be ok with the install.
You're joking surely ?, a P4 would be annihilated by Win7, a P4 can obviously run XP fine and any linux you care to throw at it, but Win7, keep dreaming :p.
I'll bet that even if it installs, it'd probably take an age to boot up, then open something like notepad and it'd probably catch fire.
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I think your forgetting the Semi Ancient systems that have ran it. My 1.4Ghz Athlon for instance... with only 512Mb ram.
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I haven't tried it on something so old. I was just googling and it seems a lot of people try it, but whether it works or not, my point remains, why ?; obviously Win7 is much leaner than Vista so i guess it should run, but i'm guessing it would 'just about run' ?, why (for example) have fast main systems then use old machines for a new OS that surely would run a slower than XP, when an older OS (or better still, linux) would wring much more performance out of said old clunkers ?...
Maybe it's just me but it doesn't make sense :)
My Athlon 2800 (2.083GHz, 1GB RAM) always ran XP fine (DVD-RB took 5 hours for movie only mode!) but runs Puppy linux way better, but it's still a lowly Athlon at the end of the day.
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Creaky seeing as you are the premier Linux user here, do you know of a good source for 32-bit VIA Linux drivers? Specifically the KM400 chipset???
I have an older AMD-based Slimline Laptop with an Athlon Xp 2200+ and 1GB of RAM. It's an Averatech 3200 but drivers from their(Averatech/TriGem) site won't work for most of the hardware and even the drivers from the site archives and third party sites won't work. I figured I'd try Win 7 on it to see if it auto loads them but Linux might be better suited for it due to its lightweight nature. Any recommends on where to find drivers and which flavor of Linux might be suited for a light duty surfing/movies machine?
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
Creaky seeing as you are the premier Linux user here, do you know of a good source for 32-bit VIA Linux drivers? Specifically the KM400 chipset???
I have an older AMD-based Slimline Laptop with an Athlon Xp 2200+ and 1GB of RAM. It's an Averatech 3200 but drivers from their(Averatech/TriGem) site won't work for most of the hardware and even the drivers from the site archives and third party sites won't work. I figured I'd try Win 7 on it to see if it auto loads them but Linux might be better suited for it due to its lightweight nature. Any recommends on where to find drivers and which flavor of Linux might be suited for a light duty surfing/movies machine?
I'm pretty sure my Athlon 2800 machine is the KM400 VIA chipset too. I haven't had anything not work on this machine in the various linux distro's i've used on it. I would definitely recommend Puppy linux, i'm using 4.2.1 on mine. I tend to use the Athlon as a secondary surfing/movie watching/scripting machine whenever i'm using the (triple boot - Win7/Puppy 4.20/Macpup Foxy 3.0) C2D in Macpup mode (don't find the need to run Win7 now!) ~ http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/637778/4946359 - the Enlightenment window manager is awesome btw.
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I'm simply playing is all. My bro bought a 40" 1080P LCD tv, and we hooked is POS Dell up to it. It looks good. But the XP installation on it is running like MOLASSES! Even Windows 7 would run better. Yes, it's running that slow LOL! I guess im gonna find out. If only for curiosity sake. I'll definitely bring an XP installation disc with just to be sure. It's gonna act as a temporary media center. What IS the best OS for a media center anyway? I love windows 7 enough to make it as such... but I imagine there are better suited.
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I haven't used Windows Media Centre myself so the other guys would have to comment on that. I use my old type xboxes with XBMC for movies, and sometimes XBMC on the PC's, but these days on my HTPC (Win7 C2D) i tend to just use windows explorer to locate the movie i want and fire up VLC player, it's quicker than navigating XBMC.
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Maw: I don't use any stability tests. As far as I'm concerned, if my PC doesn't crash, it's stable. I have yet to find any stability test that can replicate real-world usage.
Jeff: Well, what can I say, I like my storage :P
Will: The power bill is nice, in terms of energy costs it does make a difference though not a huge one unless you use as many of the drives as I do. The low power spin-up however is very handy as it means you can use a low-rated PSU to run lots of drives - My 380W EarthWatts has no issue spinning up 9 drives when 5 of them are WD Greens.
As for temps, it has everything to do with voltage. I used to run my CPU at 1.40625V, a legacy from the attempts to get 4Ghz. I've since cut back to 1.300V and the impact on temps is incredible, idling at 32C instead of 40 is certainly a lot nicer, and I can get away with reduced CPU fan speed on load as well.
Russ: If everthing panned for high failure rate on newegg actually failed as often as they said, I would have RMA'ed twice as much stuff as I actually have. Likewise if the amount of stuff rated 5 eggs on there was actually reliable, I'd have RMA'ed (or stomached the loss of) half the amount of hardware I actually have. The high failure rate for WD Green drives just doesn't really seem to exist. I have 6 of the drives without issue, and between my friends we must own 20, if not more. The only drives ANY of my friends have had to RMA lately, with the exception of Rob here, are Samsungs. 6 of them.
With regard to the CPU energy usage, the same goes for any CPU. Unless you stress every single transistor it has, the power usage is nowhere near as high as it suggests. Graphics cards are much the same. Work my CPU as hard is it would normally get and I'll draw an extra 50 or 60 watts off normal. Run Linpack and it's more like 100-120. Play a game that maxes all 4 of my GPUs and 2 of my CPU cores and my A.C. draw is typically 750-810W. Run OCCT stress test on the GPUs and CPU and I broke 1060.
Shaff: Given the way pagefiles work, I would use an SSD for both the OS and the pagefile, along with a few regularly accessed programs, maybe some small games. SSDs don't degrade in performance as they fill like HDDs do, nor do they care about fragmentation, so technically you can brim one and get like-new performance, TRIM excluding.
Personally, a thorough system design would include an SSD for the above purposes, a 7200rpm drive for games, and a 5400rpm drive for multimedia and backups, etc.
Deadrum: I owned an original 30GB controller-less SSD, and I regret buying it. Completely unusable on its own without RAID.
Omega: Some fail logic there! That'd be like saying a donkey pulling a caravan is so slow it'd be quicker pulling an aircraft.... :S
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3. December 2009 @ 12:51 |
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I wouldn't call my logic fail. Windows 7 FOR ME, has been at least 20% smoother at install than XP. Although thats with proper hardware I suppose. My Older machine ran XP slightly quicker. But I'll say this for it. With only 512 ram, and 1.4 processor, it ran pretty steady! Although it had to disable aero...
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Yeah but can you run anything other than the OS ? (serious question). I do have a P4 2.00GHz lappie with Geforce graphics and 512MB RAM (i think you need 1GB really) that i could try to install Win7 on as i have a few spare HDD's, i'm just dubious that it'd actually be worthwhile though...
The trouble is thought that it's a bit of a pointless exercise, the lappie runs XP and Puppy linux perfectly, and even then it's only really booted up in Puppy. Of the 2 Win7 machines i have, the only one that gets used regularly now is the HTPC machine (as this triple boot that i'm on now is only used in Puppy now), and even the HTPC actually doesn't need to be Win7, it could be Puppy, XP or a.n.other linux.
Win7 is nice and everything, but it's just not essential for my uses :)
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Having run a competent PC on XP, there's no comparison, Win7 would still be much slower than an old PC once you load programs. Remember, I use more than 2GB of RAM when I have several chrome tabs open. Granted, some of that is due to it being 64-bit, but there's no way a 512MB system wil run Win7 properly with ANYTHING running (Oh, and FTR Win7 still uses a gig less than Vista - If I pushed it, I could break 4GB with Vista just by browsing the web)
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