The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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16. December 2009 @ 12:37 |
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I never have BSOD's, in Win7 or XP. The locking up problem has gone away on the Quad, it was down to a corrupted Windows file somewhere, the 'reinstall of XP over the top of the existing installation' worked a treat, have down a few hours of AutoGK and DVD Rebuilder over the last couple of days, so i'm a happy Quad bunny again.
Another way of testing stability, a bit of Seti@home ~
And for completeness i have Seti running on the main Puppy linux machine, seems a waste not to, as this machine is on all day every day anyway ~
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16. December 2009 @ 12:40 |
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pre sp2 xp led to many a BSOD with simple program installs. didnt have that problem with vista or win7. yet to see a bsod with win7 but i did have bsods in vista, though they were due to overclocking failure.
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16. December 2009 @ 12:46 |
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I do have BSODs I can't explain, but all windows versions have done that over the course of time, they're quite rare, maybe 5 or 6 a year, so they're not too much of an issue. I expect I may see some BSODs when overclock testing the i5 setup next term, but I don't usually see many.
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16. December 2009 @ 14:25 |
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sam: After giving it some thought my setup was more of like a windows share as you can't (afaik, and wouldn't want to anyway) share the entire main hdd with linux. Given your experience with win7 I think I'll keep it this way too.
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To my recollection I've never had a BSOD on XP that wasn't caused by OCing or failing hardware. So far win7 is pretty much the same if you exclude the RC. Vista was buggy and probably had 1-3 BSOD's in the short time I used it and easily qualifies as worst "modern" OS I've ever used (never used ME :P).
I bought my copy of win7 professional, before I knew about MSDNAA, for 100$ which was reasonable imo. Haven't checked but I'm pretty sure the price has doubled so I would concur with anyone who thinks it's overpriced now. To ease the pain of vista owners I thought that those who purchased vista in 2009 qualified for a free upgrade to win7, so it'd be free to some vista owners.
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16. December 2009 @ 14:28 |
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Vista was only really bad in the early days though, from its release in 2007 through to maybe mid-late 2008. I'd still place it below most of the other OSes I've used, but it's not really as terrible as a lot of people go on about.
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16. December 2009 @ 14:51 |
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I've read that most people with good hardware can run vista fine. So essentially, it was more or less a resource hog. My buddy at work has been running his version since its infancy, and hasn't reported any troubles. I asked him a few times. But the type of guy he is...he mainly just browses the web. Kind of funny really. He went through HP to get his PC. I told him he paid too much. ;) I have respect for HP, but it's a fact. A builder can build better cheaper.
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16. December 2009 @ 15:01 |
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Now that depends on the budget. A $1000 gaming PC, no contest. A $300 workstation, you'd be surprised.
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16. December 2009 @ 15:03 |
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Yah, but i'm saying people who want a GOOD computer, that's gonna keep up for a few years. Not some e-machine that's gonna fry in under a year :P
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16. December 2009 @ 15:05 |
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Low price does not necessarily mean low quality. For a PC on that budget I trust HP and Dell above anything else, prebuilts included, since to match the prices you have to resort to ebay stuff.
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16. December 2009 @ 15:06 |
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I guess it does depend on who you are. If someone asks my opinion, i'll tell them they can get a DECENT computer for cheap, but I can build better for not that much more...
Not that much more = 3-400$
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16. December 2009 @ 16:39 |
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Never had a BSOD with Win 7 but Vista was very OC sensitive.
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16. December 2009 @ 16:55 |
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Originally posted by sammorris: Low price does not necessarily mean low quality. For a PC on that budget I trust HP and Dell above anything else, prebuilts included, since to match the prices you have to resort to ebay stuff.
Sam,
I agree with you, completely. I've done a number of upgrades on HP Slimlines, and they are impressive performers for the money. Same thing goes for Dells, which seem to be even quieter. Tough to beat for average needs! About the only complaint would be the roar the Slimlines make when you first switch them on. The fans run at full chat, for about 5 seconds. Scared the hell out of my cat who was sleeping on top of it at the time!:)
Russ
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16. December 2009 @ 17:39 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis: I like to be nitpicky and I personally couldn't stand XP straight to Vista. But going back to XP for a long time then to 7 was a different story. They've done a lot to improve the interface and functionality without compromising performance. And with aero turned off the 32 bit version actually performs BETTER than XP. I have several testimonials from both noobs and experienced performance enthusiasts and the general consensus is that Windows 7 is the perfect blend of new features and performance.
And as for some general things I've done to improve performance further:
- Turn off the indexing service and disable it in HDD properties to reduce thrashing(slows searching from instant to a few seconds, whatever)
- Turn off the Nvidia stereoscopic service(if applies)
- Adjust the boot settings in MSconfig to detect all 4 cores when booting instead of after loading
- Turn my power settings to always on and just turn off the monitor after 10 minutes.
- Keep startup programs to a bare minimum and start them as needed. Don't leave background processes running when not in use.
- Schedule nightly defrags and do a cold boot every week or so to clear the memory and load up fresh.
- Run CCleaner clean up and registry scan daily. Also lets you edit your startup programs.
- Disable the hibernation service and delete the hibernation cache file(saved 4GB of HDD space and some nasty thrashing waking up)
Just these tweaks alone helped a lot with general responsiveness and cut down the terrible disk access from booting and loading files.
Also remember to leave Superfetch on as that helps considerably with responsiveness and program load times. It is much different from indexing in that it actively takes up RAM in order to speed up the OS and gives the RAM back when needed.
Much like the list of things to do to fine tune Win7 for a SSD
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63273
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16. December 2009 @ 18:09 |
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To an OCZ SSD, more specifically.
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16. December 2009 @ 20:14 |
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nvm lol
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16. December 2009 @ 20:21 |
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That file's private, nobody's allowed to download it but you...
Did you leave the GPU in the slot, but not powered? A lot of graphics card have a sounder on them that goes off if the power connector isn't attached. It's an ear-piercing noise.
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16. December 2009 @ 20:30 |
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yeah you got it sam, completely forgot about that *hides*
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16. December 2009 @ 21:11 |
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somebody being a naughty boy? remember i have connections with the old man of the north pole.
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16. December 2009 @ 22:20 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Rob,
The big point I was trying to make was Will's running at 3.93GHz, yet it performed poorly! It would do the clock speed, but no grunt to go with it. With his new board, it clocks just as good, but performs well doing it!
Russ
point exact had some problems with the I45 was clocking well had some Bio issues returned to the manufacturer and they returned a new board it's still in the box now as...I speak( I45 T-Power going in a CM922 Case)
Originally posted by cincyrob: i remember his mips was even way lower than mine was and he was running 3.9 andi was only at 3.83ghz.
that was the Old Board
Here's the mips at 3.93 on my UD3P Now with No Bio Update at all
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RoBo need some setting let me know
MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
Robust Graphics Booster ..................: Auto
CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 8
Fine CPU Clock Ratio......................: +0.5
CPU Frequency ............................: 3.93Ghz (463x8.5)
Clock Chip Control
Standard Clock Control
CPU Host Clock Control....................: [Enabled]
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) .................: 463
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 100
C.I.A. 2..................................: [Disabled]
Advanced Clock Control
CPU Clock Drive...........................: 900mV
PCI Express Clock Drive...................: 800mV
CPU Clock Skew (ps).......................: 0ps
MCH Clock Skew (ps).......................: 0ps
DRAM Performance Control
Performance Enhance......................: Standard
MCH Frequency Latch......................: Auto
System Memory Multiplier ................: 2.00D
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..................: 963
DRAM Timing Selectable ..................: Manual
Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time.........................: 5
tRCD ....................................: 5
tRP......................................: 5
tRAS.....................................: 15
Advanced Timing Control [Press Enter]
tRRD.....................................: 4
tWTR.....................................: 4
tWR......................................: 6
tRFC.....................................: 62
tRTP.....................................: 4
Command Rate (CMD) ......................: 2T
Channel A
Channel A Timings Settings
Static tRead Value......................: 9
Channel B
Channel B Timings Settings
Static tRead Value......................: 9
Motherboard Voltage Control
Load-Line Calibration.....................: Enabled
CPU Vcore...............1.225V..........: 1.268v
CPU Termination.........1.200V............: 1.300V
CPU PLL.................1.500V............: 1.450v
CPU Reference...........0.760V............: 0.760
MCH/ICH
MCH Core................1.100V............: 1.300v
MCH Reference...........0.760V............: 0.740v
MCH/DRAM Reference......0.900V............: 0.750v
ICH I/O.................1.500V............: 1.350v
ICH Core................1.100V............: 1.300v
DRAM
DRAM Voltage............1.800V............: 2.1v
DRAM Termination........0.900V............: 0.750V
Channel A Address Vref..0.900V............:Auto
Channel B Address Vref..0.900V............:Auto
Advanced Settings
Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: Disabled
No-Execute Memory Protect.................: Enabled
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)...................: Disabled
C2/C2E State Support......................: Disabled
x C4/C4E State Support....................: Disabled
CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...............: Enabled
CPU EIST Function.........................: Disabled
Virtualization Technology.................: Disabled
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17. December 2009 @ 17:25 |
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Originally posted by sammorris: To an OCZ SSD, more specifically.
Well, more specifically than that, a guide for any brand SSD posted on the OCZ forum.
I know, I can't say any because not every SSD has TRIM capabilities so the topics on enable/disable TRIM may not apply.
Every other hint on the post titled "SSD Windows 7 tweaks" though is valid due to the fact that processes are disabled that help a mechanical drive and are of no real use to a SSD, especially defrag and indexing. Hell, most of the hints are how to free up GB's of storage and probably only useful to someone with a small 30GB drive like me while someone with a 250GB might not be bothered.
Sam it seems as if your bad experiences with the last generation of SSD's failures cloud your perspective anytime the subject comes up.
Anytime I've ever posted anything your response to it has been negative anyway...
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17. December 2009 @ 17:28 |
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Not at all, I want to try another SSD in my system, but it keeps routinely getting pushed back in the queue for more noticeable upgrades.
However, from what I've observed, Intel's SSDs are far less susceptible to performance drop-off than their OCZ equivalents.
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17. December 2009 @ 18:57 |
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Hi everyone i just finieshed bulid my less than 2 hours and got windows vista ultimate SP2 installed and i have a, well how would you explane it I GOT THE FASTest PENTUIM 3 EVER. So what happening is that my core 2 quaad Q9550 is showing as a pentuim 3 in 3dmarks06 and shows as just a 2.83GHz in system. but in the bois its showing the correct information. Can any one give me some help on this?
Edit: Ran CPUz and thas repor back the correct information.
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17. December 2009 @ 19:00 |
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Outdated BIOS causes this. It does not cause any performance issues.
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17. December 2009 @ 19:07 |
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update to fix tho cant hurt to have the newest one can it???
thanks sam for the reply
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17. December 2009 @ 19:08 |
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It shouldn't, but avoid beta BIOSes, and if your voltage is set to auto, check the volts in everest IMMEDIATELY after booting the system.
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