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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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20. December 2009 @ 20:07 |
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16Bit? What would be 16bit that would actually bother someone? I haven't had one install go sour with the RC edition. Everything has ran relatively well.
Sam, what are your thoughts on DDR2 memory on a DDR3 controller? What I mean is, would it work just for a while to set the voltage higher? Gonna run some googles right now also :)
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20. December 2009 @ 20:13 |
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@omega
if you was set on getting AM3 socket only why did'nt you choose a MA790 with a (rebate) for a few dollars more than a MA785
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128378
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with Athlon II Propus would think of DDR2 1066 Ram? Given it requires DDR3 standard, it'd probably beep at me
DDR2 Would'en fit slots are different in the Dimm rails set for DDR3 only...I don't think gigabyte made amd board with ddr2 & ddr3 only 1...I seen is my old intel p35c and the p45c model
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20. December 2009 @ 20:13 |
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DDR2 isn't DDR3. It won't work, as simple as that I'm afraid. If no DDR2 slots, no memory. I believe the notch spacing is also different to stop this from being tried.
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20. December 2009 @ 20:22 |
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1. Because they weren't MY dollars LOL!
2. Thats an ATX board. I figured a µATX would run at least a little cooler.
This computer is not for me. I go all out myself :) I told my mother I would keep it as cheap as possible, while maintaining the best Price to performance ratio. I did kind of jump into it a little too fast though...I could have thought things through at least one more time :P
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20. December 2009 @ 20:34 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
1. Because they weren't MY dollars LOL!
2. Thats an ATX board. I figured a µATX would run at least a little cooler.
This computer is not for me. I go all out myself :) I told my mother I would keep it as cheap as possible, while maintaining the best Price to performance ratio. I did kind of jump into it a little too fast though...I could have thought things through at least one more time :P
that's understandable keep it cheap as possible on the other person budget.lol and it will run cool at stock setting also all about the ddr2 and ddr3 as you can see as a example here below of not lining up...I'm running 1066 2x2 compared to the one you picked the slots are totally different
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20. December 2009 @ 20:46 |
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Well...you beat me to it LOL! I just took a pic of my DDR2 800 next to my mothers DDR3 10600, which shows very similar to what you have there. Thanks for saving me the trouble :) I wouldn't have forced them into the motherboard anyway. I always make sure im lining up perfectly before I push. I would have noticed the problem ;)
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20. December 2009 @ 20:57 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Well...you beat me to it LOL! I just took a pic of my DDR2 800 next to my mothers DDR3 10600, which shows very similar to what you have there. Thanks for saving me the trouble :) I wouldn't have forced them into the motherboard anyway. I always make sure im lining up perfectly before I push. I would have noticed the problem ;)
no problem it was on my mind to do this anyway.lol here's another thing to look at for that board and it memory standards by G.Skill
it's called the ram configurator just something to look at by G.Skill
http://www.gskill.com/configurator2.php?...5dGU=&model=941
http://www.gskill.com/products.php?index=95
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20. December 2009 @ 21:19 |
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Please correct me if my logic is flawed, but am I right in assuming that ALL DDR3 modules run at a lesser voltage? Part of the updated technology. Smaller technology = Lower voltage (nm). If thats right, then its DDR3 ports, as well as the bios are ready for this. So the default voltage will be LESS than that of a DDR2 board. Surely the default is not above 1.5V? Surely my luck is not that bad :)
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20. December 2009 @ 21:53 |
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Typical for i5/i7 DDR3 is 1.65V. Typical for other DDR3 is something like 1.8V I think.
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20. December 2009 @ 22:06 |
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So I suppose you're suggesting that her g-skill may not be getting enough voltage. Wonderful. But if the auto truly is auto, then wouldn't it AUTO adjust :P Or is AUTO not that good...
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21. December 2009 @ 00:39 |
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Originally posted by bigwill68:
Originally posted by theonejrs:
Will,
Almost exact. The one I got was Black. I sold it and replaced it with the 500w. No reason, except I wanted a 500w! LOL!!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171031
Between it and my motherboard, there's no appreciable Vdroop at all, the voltage correction is so fast! The PSU is about as quiet as you can get! Not the fanciest in the world, but it won't burn the house down either!
Happy Holidays,
Russ
I have one of those still in the box.I picked up from Micro Center.I'll use it on a customer build when one comes around lol.I found myself liking the Modular PSU's cause of it's easy wire management you only connect the wires you need. I Don't care what anybody saids.I can't hear my Silent Pro 135mm fan spining at all it holding it's name Silent only fan that loud to me is my 1 side panel 140mm Xion blue led cause it cranks up to maxs of 1560rpm's with the turn of Fan Controller but...I only run it at 1000rpm in unstress mode the cpu cause it can blows some air and the top side twins pulling air out AeroCool Streamliner-Black 140mm Blue led.I bought
Hey Russ I know you had to modify your case for your Arctic Cooler
Will,
Yes I had to remove that vent. I put a Silverstone FM-83 fan in it as an exhaust fan, set to about 1200-1300 rpm. I have the stock 32cfm CM fan as an exhaust, right below the Silverstone. This deals with heat cast off by the CPU cooler and the video card. It also helps keeps the dust down, quite a bit.
I'm going to have a word with Cooler Master tomorrow. The Sata power cables are barely long enough to reach, and I mean just barely. Seems to me since it's identical to the 500w one in every way, the wires need to be a couple of inches longer, in order to reach the bottom drive bay.
Happy Holidays,
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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21. December 2009 @ 00:42 |
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I think there'd be quite a good niche market for selling PSUs with the focus on lots of S-ATA power connectors, instead of molexes and PCI express connectors for graphics. Who needs 9 molexes these days?
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21. December 2009 @ 00:49 |
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omegaman7,
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with Athlon II Propus would think of DDR2 1066 Ram? Given it requires DDR3 standard, it'd probably beep at me
Oman7,
The Athlon II x2 620 & 630 have DDR2 and DDR3 memory controllers built into them. You don't need an AM3 motherboard. My MA790X-UD4P will run AM2, AM2+ and AM3 chips with DDR2 memory, as well as with DDR3 memory on an AM3 board. My last two CPUs have been AM3 CPUs, both on AM2+ boards.
Happy Holidays,
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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21. December 2009 @ 00:54 |
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I suppose that's true russ, assuming the board supports the form factor. See above for me and Will's conversation.
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21. December 2009 @ 02:12 |
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Yep same for me I have an AM2+ board and DDR2 with an AM3 CPU. And not only that but my board is widely considered to be one of the better ones for Phenom II in general.
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
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21. December 2009 @ 02:15 |
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Estuansis, Does your board take either or? What i mean is, 2 ports for DDR2, and 2 ports for DDR3. Just curious. Looks like my mothers is exclusively DDR3, AM3, 3, 3, 3 LOL!
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21. December 2009 @ 02:25 |
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Nope mine is actually full DDR2. All 4 slots. And honestly the performance difference is so small I cba to even think about an upgrade. Especially for the average user DDR3 offers literally zero benefit. Only really the territory of mad scientist benchers and new-tech junkies.
Seems like quite a price to pay for a mother's PC. My mom is still on a 2.13GHz C2D laptop with 3GB of RAM and she doesn't do much more than look at news, play pogo games, and use email. My dad will play a few games if he gets in the mood but mostly Medieval II and Grid both of which the semi-onboard 8400GS can handle quite decently.
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
Detailed PC Specs: http://my.afterdawn.com/estuansis/blog_entry.cfm/11388
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21. December 2009 @ 02:33 |
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Thanks. Just looked at DFI's site as well.
The reason I gave her up to date stuff, is because I want her system to be semi-future proof. At least last her another 3-5 years. I think i've done that considering what she does with her computer. And given the upgrade to windows 7, I wanted her to have VERY good hardware :) I bought a lot of it myself too. I love my mother :) I bought her the 24" monitor, the WD5000AAKS, A netgear switch, the Corsair 400W PSU. I think she'll be rock solid when I get a working mobo... I can't wait to hear the comments from the chatter on newegg about the Ram. I realize they're not suppose to offer that kind of troubleshooting, but perhaps I can get some kind of tidbit from them. As well as a little more googling on my end ;)
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21. December 2009 @ 04:14 |
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Ha ha! Dual monitors once again. Man I love running a PC this way. I was running Photoshop a moment ago, and had multiple images open on one screen, dragging, copying, etc. Loving it. Im really gonna miss this monitor when it goes away LOL! THAT'S the way a PC and Photoshop are MEANT to run :D Definitely gonna be pumped about getting another for myself now. Or perhaps a 40" LCD Tv. I can think of some ways I'd like to run one ;) Could you imagine a 40" LCD with more resolution then a 2560 X 1600 Monitor? I stagger at the thought...
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21. December 2009 @ 05:48 |
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I don't bother with dual monitors, instead i have 6 workspaces that can be easily swapped thru with the mouse wheel; example ~ http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/821385/4969325 - that's not 4 workspaces running at the same time but it could be. I don't need more monitors running at once but in my line of work it is very handy to have (for instance) dozens of command line sessions open and the ability to swap thru workspaces works just the same as if i have 6 monitors.
I tend to split programs across the 6 workspaces, ie ~
1. Firefox
2. Seamonkey (browser) (i keep so many tabs open that it's nice to have another browser open just at my inbox so it's an easy way to see if i have new mail)
3. Seti@home
4. command line sessions
5. more command line sessions
6. Amsn, Aqualung music player
When i bought all the Dell Optiplex 745's they all had 2GB (2x1GB sticks) so i left 2GB in each of my folks' machines and made both of mine 4GB. Even though i only use 32-bit OSes i find i don't ever use much over 1GB of RAM and my folks certainly don't. My and their machines are plenty future proof, in fact my folks would still be happily using P3 800MHz machines now f i hadn't bought them the Dell's :)
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21. December 2009 @ 06:30 |
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Russ, sorry in not getting back to you sooner, have been digging out of this damn snowstorm the past two days, we got 24 inches, with my old bones I callapse afer I get inside, I live back in the woods with stone roads and driveways, need to stay on top of the snow or we don't get out, plus my Niece and her boyfriend are flying in from the UK in a couple of weeks so need to keep them clear before the snows frezze, I'm excited about the visit, plus her boyfriend is suppose to be pretty PC savvy, he plays in a band and supposedly knows how to convert LP's to CD's, can't wait to do that since I have so many LP's, I still have a bunch from the 60's, most are rock bands I bought at PX's while in the service in the 60's, I gave him some of the names, he couldn't believe it, plus the fact many are still un-opened, I think he's more excited getting his hands on them than I am.
No I haven't ordered the new headsets yet, but I will after the holidays, I still have my older set it beats a blank. As far as my extra HDD that I will be needing soon, I think I'm gonna get the one you suggested, again after the holidays, the external one.
My boy came home from school last night with some friends, I'm glad, gonna be putting them to work on the snows lol. He expressed some interest in building another PC for the family, we missed out last year, he also showed me his 09 deans list cirtificate, he made it two years in a row now, I asked him you didn't photoshop that thing did you lol, I think he was insulted a little bit lol, also said I hope he doesn't think he gonna get another car from me after he wrecked the first one, as proud as I am I still told him get a bike or a good pair of shoe's. Either way, all A's and one B+, not bad for a deaf kid huh Russ.
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21. December 2009 @ 07:46 |
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21. December 2009 @ 07:51 |
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I don't think California will be having any of those, what with Governor Arnie banning all TV's over 40" :p
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21. December 2009 @ 08:03 |
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I must admit, I'd not heard about that until you posted it. Fortunately the TV I purchased this term already conforms to the energy regulations being imposed. I personally think a ban on energy inefficient TVs seems every bit as logical as a ban on incandescent light bulbs. Even moreso for TVs, because unlike the light bulbs, there's no downside whatsoever to buying them. They don't cost any more, and they don't have any disadvantages (i.e. the warm-up time of energy saving light bulbs). Given the amount of use TVs get these days, they're just as much an energy offender as light or heat sources. I do perhaps think though, that beyond 55" or so you'd be better off with a projector, which would likely use less energy. Once you reach a certain size pixel density becomes so poor it's less about image and more about having something big for the sake of having something big, and that is something worth cracking down on, IMO.
I don't have any regrets on owning what a lot of people would still consider an unreasonably large TV, but I do think there are sensible limits :P
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21. December 2009 @ 08:15 |
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There's a helluva lot more untruths out there than big TV's/light bulbs allegedly polluting the environment, and whilst i know very little about pixel density, suffice it to say that it makes sense to me that the bigger the screen, the image has to suffer if the source isn't sufficient/the viewing distance isn't sufficient.
As i've posted before, i fit my own inline power switches to devices that can only switch to standby, for those devices i don't unplug that is.
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