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rugripper
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22. August 2005 @ 07:50 |
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how can all of you waste your time worring about which console will be better.i have all 3 consoles pc gbasp and i love them all.you people must not be gamers at all.a hardcore gamer just wants the chance to exper and beat all games and hope they have a gripping storyline and action to keep you interested long enough to beat the game,because if the storyline sucks you will probally get bored and probally the game will grow dust and never get beat.what happened to rock out and get your game on.i guess everyone here has sucky games and nothing better to do but write and bitch about stupid threads[lol].im only voicing my opinion cause my hands hurt and i needed a break. peace out dont take this thread personally
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Virtus
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22. August 2005 @ 08:28 |
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What I find funny is, that only Sony and Microsoft seems to be in the race, now I dont think Nintendo is going to fall behind that easy, I havent seen a single hardware Scheme of the Revolution, or a list of games. This I find, odd.
I think PS3 and Xbox360 are both outstandingly good, I dont think you can conclude a winner, as there wil always be a difference of taste, and trust. But Sony issnt going to make much profit out of this, as a mather of fact, not at all, even with a price of 400, they wont make profit. next to that, rumours goes that the Hard disk of the PS3, wont be included with the PS3 itself, but that it has need to be bought seperatly, what I find a very dirty trick, its like selling a flashlight without batterys. But I do not know if this all is true though, but if it is, it would be an incredible mistake of marketing.
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22. August 2005 @ 08:33 |
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and Rugripper, your right about that, but I find it amusing hearing opinions of others, and their way of looking at a console. I think everybody rather have both of them.
And taking part of a discussion in a forrum, has nothing to do with our game/console collection ^^.
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yeah that pretty much sucks hard drive sold seperatly.thats like taking a shit and not having toilet paper[lol,which sucks by the way]all these rumors going around just makes these companies like sony and micro happy cause they probably read some of these forms, jump in secretly,and start the rumors, so they know how much money they can rip the public off for.a gaming machine is only worth $75 us dollars for them to make cause the amount of volume they buy.then they hype it up to get us to pay big bucks for something that will probably play just a little bit better [more crashes explosions,etc].the games for these systems wont probably be really outragous till 3 or 4 years go bye. the games are starting to get really cool for these consoles today ,why not hit the max on these consoles before changing up,but these conglomerites are very greety and they dont really care about the gamer ,just money.thats why the games get nicer looking but have a very short playing time.games should be at least 30 to 35 hrs long for 50 dollars but the avg game is 10 hrs anymore which sucks.well im talking to much about things that piss me off so peace out
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22. August 2005 @ 10:05 |
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Consoles these days seem to have a very short shelf life. It's a lot less than five years that the Playstation 1 enjoyed. This is mainly due to microchip technology moving so quick and of course the demand from consumers. Sony could charge £500 for the PS3 and they would still sell millions of units as people are prepared to pay that kind of money. I also think that consoles are being marketed toward the older audience; the 20 something year old who can afford the cost of the console and games. A lot of games nowadays have adult content anyway, be it violence or sex (GTA SA prime example). Microsoft/Sony are very smart and have certainly done their homework. Nintendo, while different, need to get with the programme if they don't want to go the same way as Sega did. I should think I'll get the Xbox purley to see what happens with Halo but I will also get the PS3 as I love Gran Turismo and the Metal Gear series.
My rig: Intel Q9650 3.0Ghz, ATI Radeon 4870 X2 2048Mb, 6Mb DDR2 6400 RAM, Asus Rampage Formula X48 Motherboard.
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rugripper
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22. August 2005 @ 10:20 |
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nice rig dan.hows the sli compared to the regular pci express.im thing of buying and building a comp and im swaying towards a msi platium neo 4 sli with an x2or 64 processor[not sure].what im trying to say is how fast and without problems is your comp or do you have lag problems and weird things happen in games like everyone else.i was wondering should i blow money or wait another 6 months for the x3 processor to come out[ lol]
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Hi rugripper. No doubt we'll get some stick for going off topic a bit but :oP Sli is.....okay. Not really worth the extra $$ at the moment to be honest but maybe that's becasue Nvidia and software devolpers have not got around to really harnessing it's potential yet. Also there is no software out yet that was designed specifically with Sli in mind. Not too many probs though. I would stick with one 7800 GTX which will be more than enough for all games. If you love games go for an FX chip and not a dual core (Fx-55 or if you can afford it the FX-57). Will be interesting to see how the PS3 compares to my setup as it's supposed to have more than 2x the power of twin 6800 Ultra's. I guess as the PS3 will run in much lower resolutions than any self respecting PC, so the workload will be much less letting the GPU concentrate on swish graphical effects. The upside of a console I guess. Will love to see the day when console's can run the same res as PC's through a monitor (and I don't mean HDTV which is no where near 1600 X 1200).
My rig: Intel Q9650 3.0Ghz, ATI Radeon 4870 X2 2048Mb, 6Mb DDR2 6400 RAM, Asus Rampage Formula X48 Motherboard.
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rugripper
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22. August 2005 @ 13:52 |
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hey dan thanks for the info .your rig is kick ass,im glad you made up my mind about the fx 57 i wasnt sure. thanks again. i hope we dont hear grief about going off the subject but which is better xbox360 or ps3 that one is so clear a pc rules and will always be more powerful then any console on this planet [ lol ]peace out got to get my game on
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Yes you will, stay on topic.
Your viewpoints are well founded in alot of respects, but your information and understanding is terrible. Stop throwing in things like "the xbox 360 has 256 gigs and the ps3 2 teraflops" because I've already stated it's not true.
The Xbox 360 has around the same system bandwidth, not 256 GB/s. That is the speed onboard a measly 10MB EDRAM daughter board (Microsoft need to do something quick to make the system look decent, and they chose something the av. person would know jack about, so they could lie about it.). WOW, the EDRAM can commune with itslef at 256GB/s, whoopdy-damn-do. That's like telling someone that your internet connection is 1000mbps because that's how fast your computer in the other room can transfer stuff to your other 30 feet away.
It sounds so stupid to anyone who knows anything about it.
The $300 Xbox 360 will NOT come with a HDD. The $400 accessory bundled one will. Neither will the PS3, but at least it's a $400 piece of silicon.
The XBox 360 doesn't have jack squat except microsoft and Halo backing, that's a fact when analyzed from an unbiased third party scientific perspective.
Stop throwing in your garbage even after I've explained it.
One more thing, that rig is being raped of it's potential with that 3700+, holy crap, you'd get the same performance out of one 7800 GTX OC and that CPU. If you want to open up your performance (For that kind of SLI) you need at least the FX-57 if not the 4800+ X2. That's is the biggest bottle neck in a performance computer I've ever seen. What, are you using some Kingston valueram too? Throw the X2 in there too, and your non-ECC RAM is the next step to anything. You have to build the whole system, not a couple of amazing GPUs.
Fanboy is a term used to describe someone who is utterly devoted to a single subject. This generally is followed by the devotion and support even when proved wrong.
Anecdotal, by my definition, it's the way too many people here think. It's also all the evidence you have.
Xbox 360 GT: NEGATIVE 273K
My advice: Wait for PS3.
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22. August 2005 @ 14:43 |
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omegamon is thre only person i have seen that is not biased he is right. PS3 is equel overall with 360 and we relly must wait and see withch will perform better in gameplay... just beacuse somthing is said in the specs dosent mean it will always live up to expectations. i remember ps2 and there hi-res clips when it came out and playin it i got tired waitin for a level to load... unfortunitly i think the 360 is goin to kill the market for 2005/2006 because it is coming out as a holiday relese and PS3 is comin out spring. Most kids are impatiant and few are going to wait for the Ps3 to come out and have to wait for birthdays, Christmas 06 ,Etc to get one. Just as xbox got killed by ps2 because of a erlier relese the ps3 is goin to get owend by xbox360.
Ps. Just because you have many games lined up dosent mean they will all be good i gareentee over half of those 15,000 games will be garbage or out sold on the shelves... Walmart dosent have enoguh space in there electronics department for 15,000 ps3 games.
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omegamon is thre only person i have seen that is not biased he is right. PS3 is equel overall with 360 and we relly must wait and see withch will perform better in gameplay... just beacuse somthing is said in the specs dosent mean it will always live up to expectations. i remember ps2 and there hi-res clips when it came out and playin it i got tired waitin for a level to load... unfortunitly i think the 360 is goin to kill the market for 2005/2006 because it is coming out as a holiday relese and PS3 is comin out spring. Most kids are impatiant and few are going to wait for the Ps3 to come out and have to wait for birthdays, Christmas 06 ,Etc to get one. Just as xbox got killed by ps2 because of a erlier relese the ps3 is goin to get owend by xbox360.
Ps. Just because you have many games lined up dosent mean they will all be good i gareentee over half of those 15,000 games will be garbage or out sold on the shelves... Walmart dosent have enoguh space in there electronics department for 15,000 ps3 games.
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rugripper
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so reason?[or should i say dad][lol] think the x2 is better for gaming then the fx-57 i heard also that the x2 was only good for playing music and data not gaming only because thats what i live for.also the game killzone for the ps3 looks amazing, but so does gears of war.i think the games will make the machine. if the games suck the system will suck. plain and smiple...later on
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Reasons? I opted for the 3700+ purely from a money point of view. As games rely mainly on the GPU for the graphics I went all out on them. Sure the processor is not the fastest but it's overclocked and can almost match a 4000+. I would see more gains with an FX chip but there is no real requirement to have one of those just yet. If you want to stay on topic don't reply to an off topic post ;oD. Anyway.....FX57 is on it's way. I'll post something in the PC Hardware forum when i get it. And no, I don't have vlaue ram. Okay back to topic, sorry guys.
My rig: Intel Q9650 3.0Ghz, ATI Radeon 4870 X2 2048Mb, 6Mb DDR2 6400 RAM, Asus Rampage Formula X48 Motherboard.
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Virtus
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23. August 2005 @ 02:50 |
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coming back on Dan1677's reply
Nintendo is up to something, dont forget that they are the most experienced, as they were the first with the NES, and simply made room for Sony by kicking Sega out of the Market. Next to that, sega could have made it, the Dreamcast wasnt bad at all, only they had the wrong release date, and things werent right at all. Nintendo is making so much money right now out of the DS, since recently they revealed that the DS sold twice as much as the PSP(dont know how, PSP was an incredible strong and good competitor). Either Nintendo has kept some details of the Revolution behind, or is going to let this ''console war''(to give it a name ^^) pass by, and prepare for the next one(oooh and there wil be a next one). As for now, I wonder if Microsoft is going to make incredible profit, hearing that Sony wont. As someone said before, people are prepared to buy the product, even when it is 500, but there is a limit, if Sony uppers the price to make profit, it could cross the limit, cause Im not going to buy a PS3 for lets say: 550-650 dollars. if I can get an xbox360 that is equel to the PS3, and that for far less money.
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Nintendo's target audience has always been a lot younger than Sony's and Microsoft. But this means Nintendo have got that share of the market covered. I just think that they really need to up their game right now as they have been flagging behind ever since N64, despite it's success in the East and of course the US. They have always been different and never one's to follow what the market dictates, I just hope this won't be their undoing.
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Virtus
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23. August 2005 @ 03:15 |
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yes, your right bout that
next to that, Nintendo has also been concentrating on Hand held consoles like DS, gameboy advanced, etc. .
Nintendo has been trying to gain back the Bigger adience, by releasing more shooters and less mario, but those things wil never change, Nintendo wil always gain the younger adience as you said.
stil weird, if you look back to the history, Nintendo did a good job, I dont think they wil just leave it by this, and letting this appotunity slip like that, cause the revolution hassnt released a single thing, no Hardware schemes, I havent seen a list of games, nothing, maybe only when you search incredible hard, I Hope that the revolution has a nice suprise for us, you never know, maybe they just stay behind to observe the consumers/market, reactions, what people like and dislike, and now adjust the revolution to it.
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Yeah and the very name Revolution sounds like it might change the way we look at console's. How? I've no idea but Nintendo have never been a company to give something a flashy name just for the sake of it and they certainly don't rest on their laurels. I think (hope) they will surprise us all once again.
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23. August 2005 @ 06:25 |
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OK heres what i think... first of all i think bill gates payed some ppl to write good stuff about the xbox360, or maybe he wrote them himself
2. there is no way a pc comes colse to the performance of nether the xbox360 and definatly not the ps3
and 3. are u all blind??? if u watch the xbox360 and the ps3 videos no matter if tech demonstration or game... the ps3 pictures look much nicer... and if u look at the screenshots... then u will see that the xbox360 is like a high end pc and the ps3 is like a next gen pc.. watch the conference videos on gamespot (not the shit single videos, but the whole videostream) and if u still think that the xbox360 is better then .... well then u must be naive... did u not realise that sony had all the big bosses of ea games and all the other gaming companies and microsoft just had the assistents?!?!?!
sony press conf stream (go to gamespot.com and then copy and paste the javascript code in the addressbar) but just available in max 300kb/s
javascript:launchGSL("/live/streamer_new2.html?title=Sony+E3+2005+Press+Conference&path=2stream_sonypress_e305.asx&pid=915821&rgroup=8283", "", 718, 500)
Microsoft press conf stream (go to gamespot.com and then copy and paste the javascript code in the addressbar)
javascript:launchGSL("/live/streamer_new2.html?title=Microsoft+E3+2005+Press+Conference&path=2stream_microsoft_e305_pressconf.asx&pid=915780&rgroup=8283", "", 718, 500)
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i agree if you add it up the 360 will be like $700 IF YOU WANT TO USE LIVE AT ITS BEST i mean come on and then you need an HDTV to play it or a with component video things and not 3 which are usally expensive
so some people might have to buy a new tv also so microsoft i spitting out a bunch of bull about the price and what happened to the wole wireless thing why do i have to pay $99 to play on live wirelessly
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THEY LIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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then all the xbox fans say oh ps3 won't be that good so next week your all gonna get flamed at tgs
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Actual performance will be no reflection of sales. There is just too much propaganda on both sides for the average, and even hard core gamers, consumer to understand.
In the end, you get what you pay for, this is the easiest way for me to put it. The PS3 is $400, and $400 worth of hardware, and is going to perform like $400. The Xbox 360 is $300 (The regular package equivalent to the PS3's package, no accessories and no HDD.), and $300 worth of hardware, and is going to perform like $300.
There is novels of technological analysis, that without even having the consoles to benchmark, it is extremely evident the PS3 is outstandingly stronger. Not only that, Microsoft has to lie up and down to you, just to make it seem equal.
For all those who come in saying that the 360 is the better hardware, the answer in no. I realize my posts are redundant in some respects, but that's because someone always comes in right after and says it's better. Honestly, stop doing that.
As for the links and tech talk, we did that in this now closed thread. http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/33/190679
Go to the Offcial PC Building Thread and look for my name for that CPU descision. In short, the X2 is the better choice. And it just dropped almost $200 in price to $880, pricegrabber.com If your too lazy to go to that thread, it's because games are going multi-threaded in coming months.
Fanboy is a term used to describe someone who is utterly devoted to a single subject. This generally is followed by the devotion and support even when proved wrong.
Anecdotal, by my definition, it's the way too many people here think. It's also all the evidence you have.
Xbox 360 GT: NEGATIVE 273K
My advice: Wait for PS3.
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I see some compare these new consoles with PCs, well, dont forget that PCs wil always be far more software free, and FAR more editable. You can do more then a PC then playing games and surf the net, although thats all Im doing rite now...... ^^
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WOW Playstation fans piss me off, playstation established a fanbase with PS1 long before the xbox was released, microsoft had to compete with the next generation of sony consoles. I think that is a big reason why sony outsold xbox. I did find the xbox to be a much better console for many reasons. Ethernet port, hard drive, 4 controller ports. But the close minded playstation @$$holes knocked it without giving it a chance. This time around it will probably be much more equal. They should hook up and make one enormous super console, that way everyone will stop b1tch1ng about games. most playstation games are garbage and most of the good ones they have are also available for xbox. PHUCK ALL YOU PLAYSTATION QUEERS
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And here come the fanboys.
Fanboy is a term used to describe someone who is utterly devoted to a single subject. This generally is followed by the devotion and support even when proved wrong.
Anecdotal, by my definition, it's the way too many people here think. It's also all the evidence you have.
Xbox 360 GT: NEGATIVE 273K
My advice: Wait for PS3.
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all those screen shots and video you have seen of the PS3 have been rendered i.e Killzone. I doubt it will look likre that on its release. Give it a couple years and the games will kick ass over what the release dtae games look like as they will have bettter use of the software etc.
Also, why would anyone buy a PSP? i live in new zealand and they cost $460!!!! A new PS2 costs $275.
@KAINX....if u could keep only 1 console, which would it be?
And what do y'all think of the PS3 control pad? Looks a bit weird to me. The PS2 cp was the best of any console to date.
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