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PacMan777
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28. March 2007 @ 13:19 |
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Originally posted by theshiz11:
Shring hasn't been updated in a very long time. You also get much better compression with DVDclone and AnyDVD because you can delete all the extras, deleted scenes, all the trailers, warnings and so forth. You can have an option to jump straight to the movie instead of going directly to the menue first. This takes something that Shrink had to compress from 55% to 90 or 100 percent compression with DVDclone, in other words, perfect quality. I am done with shrink completely. It is worth getting dvdclone and AnyDVD as they are constantly updating their software and have much better features. Shrink stopped evolving years ago.
Obviously you're not familiar with the RipIt4Me, Shrink, ImgBurn setup. I can select between Full DVD, Movie + Menu, or Movie Only. I can set the DVD to skip to the Menu. Plus I can blank anything I want and uncheck audio tracks and subtitles to edit any I don't want. Then ImgBurn can automatically burn the output. That's all freeware and doing everything the retail can. As for compression, I've not seen where any of the other transcoders have an edge on Shrink when it's used properly with Quality Settings. That includes CloneDVD 2.
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theshiz11
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28. March 2007 @ 14:37 |
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I am talking about 1 program to do it all. CloneDVD is 1 program. With Shrink alone, you can only delete audio tracks and adjust compressions of either extras, titles, or main movie, but just shrink does not allow you to delete items from it if you want to play it in a home DVD player. Re-authoring on it makes it unplayable for a home DVD player. Sure, you can do lots with just Shrink alone if you only want to play it on your computer, except of course to decode new DVD's. I hate having to use multiple programs, but when they are required, there is no choice but to go through 2 or 3 programs, which can be a hassle. With Shrink, you also have to wait until it reads the disk the first time which can take several minutes, that means just hanging around for a while before you can get to the compression part. With Clone DVD, there is no waiting around and best of all, reauthoring doesn't keep it from playing on my home player. Why should anyone ever have to do movie only anymore when you can just keep the movie and small menu set with CloneDVD and just get rid of the extra junk. I am not a Shrink hater. I used to worship Shrink until I got turned on to something more comprehensive and quicker. CloneDVD seems to compress quicker than Shrink, although, I have never done a side to side comparison, so, I am not 100 percent on that.
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PacMan777
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28. March 2007 @ 15:22 |
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Originally posted by theshiz11:
I am talking about 1 program to do it all. CloneDVD is 1 program. CloneDVD takes the 2nd program AnyDVD to function with factory video DVDs. With Shrink alone, you can only delete audio tracks and adjust compressions of either extras, titles, or main movie, but just shrink does not allow you to delete items from it if you want to play it in a home DVD player. Obviously you're not well versed in using Shrink. It is best to let RipIt4Me remove the extras, if that's what is desirable. However, with Still Image a person can blank extras and retain the functional menu. RipIt4Me works a bit differently than AnyDVD, but it is part of a system, similar to AnyDVD + CloneDVD 2 being a system. Re-authoring on it makes it unplayable for a home DVD player. Who ever told you such a thing. I can play reauthored DVDs processed by Shrink every time. Sure, you can do lots with just Shrink alone if you only want to play it on your computer, except of course to decode new DVD's. As I pointed out, you must not be familiar with Shrink. I hate having to use multiple programs, but when they are required, there is no choice but to go through 2 or 3 programs, which can be a hassle. You're already using 2 if you're using CloneDVD. With Shrink, you also have to wait until it reads the disk the first time which can take several minutes, that means just hanging around for a while before you can get to the compression part. LOL I find productive things to do such as write responses like this one. ;) But I rarely have time because the initial quick analysis usually only takes a minute or so. With Clone DVD, there is no waiting around and best of all, reauthoring doesn't keep it from playing on my home player. I will admit, CloneDVD 2 is faster, but that's the only edge. You still have it wrong about Shrink. Why should anyone ever have to do movie only anymore when you can just keep the movie and small menu set with CloneDVD and just get rid of the extra junk. That was the complaint about CloneDVD and AnyDVD when the new copy protection first surfaced. Only RipIt4Me was getting the Full DVD done without editing. It's always had the other options for movie and menu or movie only. I am not a Shrink hater. I used to worship Shrink until I got turned on to something more comprehensive and quicker. Quicker I agree, more comprehensive I question. You should have learned more about Shrink's functions. From your post you didn't learn all it can do. I have nothing against AnyDVD and CloneDVD 2. I used to use them all the time, at least the AnyDVD. CloneDVD seems to compress quicker than Shrink, although, I have never done a side to side comparison, so, I am not 100 percent on that. CloneDVD 2 has the edge on speed, but that's about it.
There was so much said, I thought it would be more clear to comment to each item. My comments are in red. RipIt4Me and Shrink make an excellent combo and can do all that AnyDVD and CloneDVD are capable of and at times have done better. The only edge CloneDVD has is it's a bit faster. It's user preference, but I don't see putting down the freeware when it's doing a good job. I learned a lot with Shrink and it's still not retired. For building my backups, I no longer use CloneDVD or Shrink much anymore. I've moved on to encoder software which works better at higher compression and does an excellent job at lower compression as well. The only trade off is time. Encoders do take longer. RB Pro with CCE SP is my favorite way to go. I still rip with RipIt4Me and burn with Nero or ImgBurn.
Did I mention once set up the RipIt4Me, Shrink, ImgBurn package is seamless. With AnyDVD and CloneDVD you have to go through multiple windows. The process is similar with RI4M and Shrink. Open the DVD in RipIt4Me, RipIt4Me processes the files and automatically opens in Shrink, Shrink does it's thing and then automatically burns with a supported burner (ImgBurn or Nero). The seamless flow of that system is as easy as AnyDVD + CloneDVD, just not as quick.
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28. March 2007 @ 17:28 |
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A friend of mine suggested to buy a video capture to capture video from TVs, VCRs, DVD players & camcorders and automatically converting video and save it into DVD for backup. It's a simple process instead of having so many programs to backup your DVD movie.
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PacMan777
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28. March 2007 @ 17:35 |
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Originally posted by doey:
A friend of mine suggested to buy a video capture to capture video from TVs, VCRs, DVD players & camcorders and automatically converting video and save it into DVD for backup. It's a simple process instead of having so many programs to backup your DVD movie.
Try backing up a factory DVD with one of the DVD recorders used for TV. If all you're doing is dealing with unprotected files, you may get the TV recording. Depends on the system if you can handle VCR backups. There is a problem between doing factory movie VCRs and home videos. You have to have something to deal with encryption and copy protection when dealing with factory copy protected media.
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theshiz11
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29. March 2007 @ 06:48 |
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Shrink must have been updated. When I was using Shrink, I re-authored with Shrink a couple of times and was disgruntled that the $1 DVDR discs I had bought only worked on my computer (they were $1 back in the day) Digital-digest.com's user guide for Shrink tole me the problem as it stated that re-authoring would affect playback and makes the menu system unusable. So, Shrink must have been updated, but as I said, I have been a fan of Shrink as I have backed up nearly 500 movies from my collection with it, so I AM familiar with it, just never wanted to make any more coasters by trying the re-author again.
As for CloneDVD, Not a big deal using AnyDVD as it is always on in the background, so technically, you are right about the 2 programs, but come on...is it REALLY like you are putting any effort into having AnyDVD start up with your system and always on?
I have so far backed up 500 more of my DVD's using CloneDVD in the past 5 months, and let me tell you, with the amount of backing up I do, I don't have time to waste going back an hour later to see an error with Shrink because it could not break the new encryption or wasting time trying to have Shrink even read the disk but it can't because of encryption. It becomes a huge pain if I am say...backing up 7 disks a day and I have to wait for a few minutes each time for Shrink to analyze it. I would rather press a couple of buttons really quickly, and walk away, then come back 20 minutes later after the dvd has backed up. With Clone DVD, I can back up 7 DVD's in 2 hours and not have any problems with any disc, except for Casino Royale and whatever else is new, that is, until AnyDVD comes out with a new patch.
As for the quantity of backing up I do...I have a monster DVD collection and my kids constantly destroy my DVDs. I have 3 small boys who like to bite them.
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29. March 2007 @ 07:37 |
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Shrink has not been updated. There is a program however that keeps Shrink alive. It's called RipIt4Me as discussed above.
99% of all problems are between the computer and the chair.
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theshiz11
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29. March 2007 @ 07:40 |
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Again, that's multiple steps. I only use ripit4me when it is absolutely necessary. It is true, you can always rely on ripit4me when a disc is extra protected.
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29. March 2007 @ 07:48 |
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It's not a bad idea to open every disc with RipIt4Me. If Shrink can do the movie on it's own, a box will appear at the bottom enabling the user to go straight to Shrink eliminating any unnecessary steps.
99% of all problems are between the computer and the chair.
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theshiz11
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29. March 2007 @ 08:07 |
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You are probably right Dialysis, again, if you are using freeware, which I agree with PacMan, Shrink is the best freeware for compressing and a lot of other things. There is no reason to go through the extra step of ripit4me if you are using CloneDVD though. Clone DVD is a stand alone product with AnyDVD in the background 99 percent of the time. It isn't cheap though, so I know why some would not want to go with that solution and stick with the freebies. I can't advocate getting a hacked CloneDVD and AnyDVD because that would get me in trouble with the moderator, so don't do it!
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29. March 2007 @ 08:10 |
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my method is extremely simple - DVDFab Decrypter (full mode or Main Movie mode) followed by DVD Shrink. Easy and 200% successful, on ALL films i do. No problems with Casino Royale whatsoever, no extra steps, no problems with ANY other films either. I haven't got around to trying Ripit4Me, AnyDVD or any other new methods as i've no need to.
Though this and many, many other threads will continue featuring half the known world having problems with <insert latest movie name here> :)
Hence one of the reasons why i don't post in a lot of threads lately, it's the same repetitive stuff over and over and over. It wouldn't do Afterdawn much good but all that's needed for DVD movies is one thread with the name of <insert latest movie name here>
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theshiz11
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29. March 2007 @ 09:22 |
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Creaky,
I tried DVDfab Decryptor on Casino Royale. It seemed to work just fine, ripping it and everything. When I went to compress, I got errors stating that it did not look like a proper DVD format. I used that process on Casino and Bad Santa. Same problem with both of them. I am not sure what you did different from me to get your DVDfab to rip correctly for these movies. I did use the latest version of DVDfab though ripping in DVD9. Using Ripit4me and decrypter worked fine, so I don't need anymore help, but I WOULD prefer to use DVDfab as it is just one step instead of 2 for ripit and decrypter. Do you have another program running in the background to do this?
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PacMan777
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29. March 2007 @ 09:34 |
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Originally posted by dialysis1:
Shrink has not been updated. There is a program however that keeps Shrink alive. It's called RipIt4Me as discussed above.
It sounds like from when theshiz11 last used Shrink it was updated. Some of the better updates were in the later versions and the final 3.2 had options not previously available. A lot of the old guides still don't do justice to the program because they don't include the newer features. Also, after the original 3.2, a revised version that supports ImgBurn instead of the DVD Decrypter burner ware has been circulating.
theshiz11
Reauthor renders the menu unusable, it doesn't make the output unusable for a backup DVD to play on a standalone player. I don't know what problems you had with the old version of Shrink you used, but it's not a problem now. As I pointed out before, RipIt4Me is seamless with Shrink and a supported burner. The options are similar to what you get with AnyDVD and CloneDVD. As I mentioned RipIt4Me is a ripper decrypter and AnyDVD is a driver decrypter. RipIt4Me is slower, but it has been more successful than AnyDVD & CloneDVD the past few months. AnyDVD no longer works well with Shrink and it had that problem when the heavier copy protection first arrived with Saw 3, region 1.
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29. March 2007 @ 09:55 |
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Originally posted by theshiz11:
Creaky,
Do you have another program running in the background to do this?
- nope, just DVDFab followed by Shrink; i guess one of the reasons i very rarely have problems is that i'm in the UK. Most films are released in the US before anywhere else (as far as i'm aware), so DVDFab, AnyDVD et al are updated before us Brits get the films; hence whenever i get the updates for DVDFab, the 'latest' films here in the UK (which are by then 'old' films in the US) are catered for in the program updates; granted, some films have different protections for different regions, but the only trouble i ever have is when DVDFab doesn't handle the odd film, but this is always fixed in the next release of DVDFab, so it's just a matter of waiting for an update
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ansarali
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2. April 2007 @ 00:46 |
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can someone check that i'm doing this right
take a look
http://ihaveherpes.com
(it's easier to use the free service)
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2. April 2007 @ 04:34 |
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Originally posted by ansarali:
can someone check that i'm doing this right
take a look
http://rapidshare.com/files/23932345/clip3.mpeg
(it's easier to use the free service)
LOL It's cheaper to use the free service. What is there to check? You download it or you don't.
Creaky
There wouldn't be much trouble in region 1 if everyone kept their software up to date and used it properly. Saw 3 was a surprise, but it was "do-able" before the release date. I'm not overly fond of the Saw series, but I got it for a "new toy" to play with. None of the new releases with the heavy protection have been much different since the Saw 3, region 1 introduction. So, I don't see all the excitement since then. Seems a lot of folks don't read the threads and look on their lack of knowledge about software as a unique issue needing a separate thread.
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2. April 2007 @ 06:44 |
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I've read a page full of new Casino Royale threads. People who record commercial videos to Video recorders should know that running AnyDVD in real time while doing this, will allow one to easily make a copy of any commercial film. Sony ACCros doesn't seem to be an obstacle to recording WITHOUT AnyDVD. On the other hand, AnyDVD removes macrovision and region protection readily and easily when using a video recorder. I don't approve much of recorder copies of films vis burned copies though. I've mostly stopped using them.
Most of my ripping friends have dumped menus and special features from the dvds they make. If you get a 6,600 megabit film, which is often the case these days, getting just the film down under 4700 megabits is not an easy task. The bigger the movie, the harder it is to contain without jitters and stops on a 4.7 gig single disk. If the features are important, make a second disk with features only. Reauthor in Shrink is the way to do this. I find the menus a lot of extra trouble I don't want to take. I don't know what Shrink advises about itself, but it has been my experience that getting rid of needless junk on DVD copies is an improvement over the original disk. You will notice that street disks and even Oscar and Awards Show screeners sent out by the studios never have any of the crap that is included with commercial dvds. I consider most of the dross included with films to be cruddy and worthless with few exceptions. I mostly don't have the time to look at it. The ultimate truth about all this is that you're squeezing a large film into a smaller disk and it is risky to try to
include all the extra stuff and think you're going to get the movie error-free too. You will find that just sticking the movie in your player and watching it start like commercial vhs copies used to in vcrs, is a continuing pleasure.
What I wish Shrink would try to do is allow users to fuse parts of more than one film onto a single DVD blank. That would require holding the first disk in some sort of suspended, unfinished state, while another disk is dropped into the burner and prepared to be added to the same disk.
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2. April 2007 @ 12:02 |
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jaszman
You forgot to mention processing for DVD compliance. That's something AnyDVD doesn't do very well with it's ripper, and compliance appears to be a major target of the heavier copy protection schemes. Slysoft has been recommending AnyDVD + CloneDVD 2 for ripping when another program is going to be used for transcoding or encoding. AnyDVD only with Shrink hasn't been working well with the newer copy protections. Part of keeping up with currrent issues in ripping is paying attention to which combinations of software work best.
As for getting the complete content of a bigger DVD on a DVD5, I suggest an encoder for that task. It is "do-able" without problems and with good quality. I do it all the time. Casino Royale falls into the category.
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theshiz11
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2. April 2007 @ 12:13 |
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As for quality of a shrunken movie portion only, I can watch a compressed DVD5 movie on a DLP projector at more than 120 inches and not be able to tell the difference at all. This is with Shrink and CloneDVD. If I have the original and the compressed one side by side, I will choose the compressed one every time because the quality is impecable and I don't have to wait for all the warnings to pass by or fast forward through previews or wait for the opening sequence of a long menu. About 1 out of every 50 burns will have a minor freeze for a few seconds somewhere in the movie, but that is it.
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PacMan777
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2. April 2007 @ 12:32 |
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Originally posted by theshiz11:
As for quality of a shrunken movie portion only, I can watch a compressed DVD5 movie on a DLP projector at more than 120 inches and not be able to tell the difference at all. This is with Shrink and CloneDVD. If I have the original and the compressed one side by side, I will choose the compressed one every time because the quality is impecable and I don't have to wait for all the warnings to pass by or fast forward through previews or wait for the opening sequence of a long menu. About 1 out of every 50 burns will have a minor freeze for a few seconds somewhere in the movie, but that is it.
At what compression ratio? A friend has a projector system and a bunch of his backups done with Shrink had to be redone with Rebuilder due to quality issues. Shrink is good, but when compression starts climbing an encoder starts to shine, especially on big screens.
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theshiz11
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2. April 2007 @ 12:37 |
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Never below 55 percent or forget it. The ones I did with Shrink, I deleted DTS and everything else except 5.1 for sound. I compressed the menus and extras (remember that I had seen that re-authoring hurts stand-alone playback until you showed me there is a new way) It can get a little dicy on high action sequences. My burn of '300' with Shrink came out kind of choppy though. j/k
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2. April 2007 @ 13:13 |
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The Full Disc editing method has nothing to do with action scenes. It's not intended for editing action sequences. It's intended for improving over all compression for the movie. There's a program named Menu Shrink for compressing menus. I don't use it, but I hear it does a good job for those not interested in elaborate video menus. As an example, I recently did Casino Royale with Menu and Movie using the Full Disc editing method. The initial compression ratio was about 53%. After editing and unchecking unwanted audio and subtitles the compression ratio was 70%. 17% is a lot of difference. 70% is a lot less noticable on a big screen than 53%, especially if the AEC settings are used as they're supposed to be. Doing the backup at 53% could lead to problems and would definitely show a visible difference in video output on a 120" screen.
Starting at 55% doesn't count if you edit and lower the compression. The final compression is what counts. 55% doesn't look good on my 60" and it looks even worse on a 120". As the old saying goes, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder". In this case we can insert Quality for Beauty.
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theshiz11
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2. April 2007 @ 13:21 |
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Maybe this is not the case, but it seemed that my shrink DVD's at around 55% only held good quality for a while. I think it might have had something to do with generic DVDr's more than anything though. Now that I have switched to Sony and HP DVDR's, they seem to last much much longer. As I stated before, my kids go through my discs pretty quickly.
Truly though, a final compression at 55% at 120" with Shrink was great. Any thoughts on a good scratch remover? I have a device called Scratch DR., but it only does a fair job.
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PacMan777
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2. April 2007 @ 14:13 |
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I've got a motorized Disk Dr that does a good job. It's still only a polishing/resurfacing tool. Not much helps those deep gouges unless you use a repair kit and that only works if the damage isn't to the inner dye layer. That much work and I'd just a soon buy a new DVD. It would take a few DVDs to cover the cost of the tools and supplies.
I don't think you'll find too many that have used an encoder and Shrink that will agree a backkup at 55% with Shrink looks "great" on a big screen. But that's a personal call on your part. I'm a bit more discriminating myself.
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3. April 2007 @ 20:00 |
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You have been told a lie. The problem is not that the programs that you are using are outdated. DVD Shrink is outdated but not by much and DVD Decrypter is constantly updated if you have a registered version of it. I just used it to rip "The Prestige" which is as new as Casino Royale.
The problem is the disk's format. Casino Royale has a dvd rom extra that opens every time you use it. This indicates that the dvd is not in the usual file format that DVD Decrypter and Shrink are programed to look for. Instead the entire movie is run under the DVD-ROM program on the disk stopping Decrypter and shrink for finding the files.
It does this with ANY movie with a DVD-ROM overlay.
This is Sony's new way of stopping people from Ripping their movies. They run the dvd through a program. So just watch out for any DVD published by sony in the future because they will probably contain the same thing and you will not be able to copy them.
I have found that Ripit4me works and so does dvd fab but that is because they search the dvd differently and are thus able to find the files that sony so cleverly hides.
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