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PacMan777
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8. April 2007 @ 02:15 |
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Some of those titles I recognize as not having the newer protection I was talking about. Casino Royale does, but I know Talladega Nights doesn't. Some of the others were so easy, I didn't check the structure. Some of the new releases have upwards of a hundred IFOs and nearly as many bad titles. It's all for confusing the recording and burning software. The players will play it, but the recording software sees noncompliant files. That's besides the CSS encryption and ARccOS and Puppetlock protections. That's how the protection works and why software unable to handle the compliance problems act up. I'm glad whatever you did got your backups, but I suspect when you do a few more of the more difficult copy protections, you'll come to see what others have. If it didn't occur in the analysis process a person could do movie only and get the movie, but Shrink doesn't work that way. Maybe your adverts and trailer removal helped. I'm not sure. But like I said, enough people, including myself, have noticed the problems and done work arounds to know the problem was with DVD Shrink and AnyDVD on the fly.
Hope you have the continued good luck.
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colw
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8. April 2007 @ 02:25 |
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@ PacMan777 - Thanks
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But like I said, enough people, including myself, have noticed the problems and done work arounds to know the problem was with DVD Shrink and AnyDVD on the fly.
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Have never tried using the combination on the fly - always copy to hard drive first and then use Nero to burn - forgot Open Season and SAW 3.
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PacMan777
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8. April 2007 @ 03:58 |
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When I said "on the fly" I meant the way AnyDVD normally decrypts. The way Shrink creates a temp file to burn from, it wouldn't be a burn on the fly even when using a supported burner. The way you do it keeps a copy on the HD. With preset burn speeds there's no difference in burn quality between a manual burn and one with a supported burner, both are burning files from the HD.
By the way, what region are you in?
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8. April 2007 @ 04:16 |
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As someone who doesn't use AnyDVD (watch out, i'm bound to be ridiculed and branded a heretic but like a great comedy sketch here in the UK "am i bovvered" !) - i do still swear by DVD Shrink, and i only use DVDFab Decrypter and have zero issues with Shrink working with the output from DVDFab. Sometimes i do 'Full Disc' in DVDFab, sometimes i do 'Main Movie'. The very rare times i hit a movie that is troublesome, it's always fixed in the latest version of DVDFab.
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PacMan777
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8. April 2007 @ 04:46 |
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... i'm bound to be ridiculed and branded a heretic...
It won't be by me. I own most of the software discussed (including AnyDVD) and I see AnyDVD as an aid for speed, but not always the best decryption choice. DVD Fab Decrypter has become a good replacement for DVD Decrypter and as you noted it gets updated when needed. I see your choice as being more sound than most. There's different software that works and a large number of possible combinations. The problems arise when a problem copy protection comes along and a person doesn't want to wait for the update or the software is no longer supported. A person has to be either patient or have another software option that will work. Most of the time members could look around and see whats working and go ahead and do their backups without a thousand questions. I'd almost bet the Search function would be used more if there was a charge for it. LOL
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colw
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8. April 2007 @ 14:23 |
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I'm in region 4
@ creaky
I'm not a AnyDVD fanatic - went for a long time before switching to it. It's just that it works well for me.
I'm sure that there are other combinations that work just as well and if people are comfortable with these they should stick with them.
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PacMan777
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8. April 2007 @ 21:40 |
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Originally posted by colw:
@ PacMan777
I'm in region 4
@ creaky
I'm not a AnyDVD fanatic - went for a long time before switching to it. It's just that it works well for me.
I'm sure that there are other combinations that work just as well and if people are comfortable with these they should stick with them.
Creaky pointed out earlier that region 2 didn't get the heavier copy protection on Saw 3 as seen in region 1. I'm not sure what copy protection was put on region 4 releases. I'm not saying that's the same situation you're enjoying (lighter copy protectionc), but it's a possiblility.
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theshiz11
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9. April 2007 @ 06:58 |
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There is a good chance that AnyDVD has finally been updated and you will see more and more people saying that they had no problem. I will say that in the past when I have had troubles with Shrink or other programs, if I play the movie for 30 seconds or so, as another person said in this string, the decryption problem goes away. It is worth taking a chance on for all those having problems with their current rippers.
My brand of choice of dvdr's is HP and Sony. Only 1 Coaster out of 400 discs. The Coaster came from the Sony spool, but it may be because I was burning 2 movies in 2 drives at once along with recompressing an AVI with aviReComp, all using 512 MB Ram on an athlon 1.4 processor. Don't get the generic discs, most may burn, but it is usually a cheap dye that won't last very long.
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PacMan777
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9. April 2007 @ 12:31 |
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.. I was burning 2 movies in 2 drives at once along with recompressing an AVI with aviReComp, all using 512 MB Ram on an athlon 1.4 processor.
Most people don't multitask with resources that limited. I suspect you're probably right as to the cause of that Coaster.
It would be interesting to know which companies manufactured your HPs and Sonys. In the past some of the HP was manufactured by Mitsubishi (think Verbatim). I was just wondering if they were still making them. I use a lot of the Sony +R. The Japanese Sony is manufactured by Taiyo Yuden, but I've gotten just as good results with the Taiwanese Sony manufactured media. So when I'm checking the shelves, I'll buy either.
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vmo1701
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9. April 2007 @ 23:26 |
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A problem I've been encountering is that the DVD will burn just fine, but when I put it into my Sony DVD player, the backup will be fine for most of the Chapters, but usually falls off about a minute into Chapter 6 and ends around the end of Chapter 8. The DVD is utterly unreadable by my DVD player between those two chapters.
It works perfectly in my DVD drive, but not in the player.
I made sure the original disk was free from smudges and/or scratches, but I hope it isn't a source file problem. I followed the instructions laid out previously.
Any suggestions?
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PacMan777
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10. April 2007 @ 01:08 |
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Falls off, does that mean slow down or what? End I get, but under what circumstances? Does the picture just freeze or does the movie software shut down?
You can do a scan of the source to ensure it's okay. Some drives read better than others. But a standalone shouldn't just pick one segment to have problems with unless there's something along the lines of a poor burn or a recordable media flaw. Sometimes compression causes read errors, but that doesn't quite sound like a compression error. Is the problem only with Casino Royale or have you encountered it before? What is the brand and manufacturer ID of your DVDs? (DVD Identifier)
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vmo1701
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10. April 2007 @ 01:47 |
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Sorry I wasn't more clear. The DVD just stops (freezes) and it sounds like the laser is seeking for information. My DVD player then gives me an error code and stops the movie. If I go past this error (between Chapters 6 and 8) the movie plays to the end.
It is just those two chapters that are giving me trouble.
I'm using Maxell DVD+R discs and I have NEVER encountered this much trouble backing up my DVDs.
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PacMan777
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10. April 2007 @ 02:23 |
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What procedure and software did you use to do the backup? This release had a large batch of bogus files that it was best to process out. It's still strange how it's just having the problem in one segment. If it's not too late, I'd try returning the DVD for replacement and redo the backup.
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theshiz11
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10. April 2007 @ 06:48 |
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I am not sure if yours is the same problem that I experienced, but I had the same problem with Rocky Balboa and Casino Royale when I used DVDfab decrypter as my ripper. Everything seemed to be fine, except when I went to burn. Your problem sounds similar, but maybe not. If you did use dvdfab, try ripit4me with DVD Decrypter. In the end, that produced a perfect burn. (sorry pacman, not trying to blast your favorite, that was just my experience.)
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PacMan777
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10. April 2007 @ 08:05 |
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Originally posted by theshiz11:
I am not sure if yours is the same problem that I experienced, but I had the same problem with Rocky Balboa and Casino Royale when I used DVDfab decrypter as my ripper. Everything seemed to be fine, except when I went to burn. Your problem sounds similar, but maybe not. If you did use dvdfab, try ripit4me with DVD Decrypter. In the end, that produced a perfect burn. (sorry pacman, not trying to blast your favorite, that was just my experience.)
LOL You're actually recommending my favorite, at least until the studios come out with a protection to make it obsolete. I was just going along with the discussion. DVDFab Decrypter, RI4M, AnyDVD, DVDFab Platinum, and DVD Region + CSS Free all appear to be getting this title done. I'm left scratching my head when there's a failure for some reason. In some combination I've been able to use all these programs to get successful backups of releases having the new protections.
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unolord
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10. April 2007 @ 08:15 |
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I ripped Casino Royale twice, once with just the latest version of DVDFab Decrypter which I then rebuilt to ISO using IMGBurn and burned to a DL+R Verbatim. It wouldn't play on my standalone JVC so I thought the structure was corrputed.
I ripped it again using Ripit4Me, DVDDecrypter and used DVD Shrink to build an ISO. Again I burnt a Verbatim DL+R @2.4x with IMGBurn and it too would not play on my JVC.
I barely use my Sony dvd player in the bedroom so I completely forgot about testing the original back-up on it. Both back-ups work fine and I've moved the Sony (which is roughly 2 yrs old) to the living room and put the 4-5 yr old JVC in the bedroom. Never had that problem before and I almost exclusively burn Verb DL+R's since I have about 150 of them lying around. I have a few hundred 16X Verbs and 8x TYs but when the DL's go one sale (about once every 4-6 weeks at Futureshop if u live in Canada)I grab a couple 20packs.
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theshiz11
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10. April 2007 @ 08:19 |
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Yeah, I have returned several DVD players, always to go back to my reliable higher end Sony players that have never had a problem with DVDR playback. The cheap DVD players are worthless.
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vmo1701
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10. April 2007 @ 09:45 |
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I used what was recommended in the steps on this board.
I used Ripit4me (latest version) to rip the DVD along with DVD Decrypter (latest version) to burn to HD. I then used DVD Shrink to shrink the file into an ISO image file.
Nothing seemingly out of the ordinary. I then burned the image file with Nero.
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PacMan777
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10. April 2007 @ 09:52 |
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Originally posted by theshiz11:
Yeah, I have returned several DVD players, always to go back to my reliable higher end Sony players that have never had a problem with DVDR playback. The cheap DVD players are worthless.
Depends on what you call cheap. I have a Philips that cost about $60 and it plays about anything that's round.
vmo1701
It's not wrong if it worked, but it looks like you took an extra step or 2. Rip with RipIt4Me, transcode with Shrink, and burn with Nero is the seamless way of doing the job.
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10. April 2007 @ 10:02 |
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not wanting to derail the thread, but as to the cheap vs expensive dvd players, and the -R part of the equation, i own a couple (fairly) expensive dvd players and a few cheapy ones, and have access to many other players, none of my gazillion dvd burns (a fair old amount of which have always been -R) - have problems with any players anywhere. Though some people do find -R are less consistent i guess. To close, it's my understanding that it's the more expensive players that can be more picky, though that may not be the case these days. What i do know is a lot of the cheapy players play most discs with ease.
Anyway, as i say, i don't mean to derail this thread from Casino Royale..
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theshiz11
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10. April 2007 @ 10:07 |
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Here is where I am coming from: There are the players that specifically do not show there is support for DVDR discs. There are the players that specifically say dvd -+r on the box. These players have always cost me $20-$30 more. So, the ones that did not show they support the discs, and when trying them, they indeed did not play any dvdr's I had, cost a less. I am specifically referring to Sony, although I suspect, other brand names have similar comparisons.
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vmo1701
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10. April 2007 @ 11:35 |
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I will try again using the method you said. Hopefully no more coasters.
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jackfruit
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10. April 2007 @ 12:35 |
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turns out it was a bad disc that prevented me from ripping the bonus disc with ripit4me:) that one just got read errors up the wazoo at 51%, now its fine. woopee!!
w00t!
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jaszman
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10. April 2007 @ 12:37 |
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I'm synthesizing a hint from some of what I've read above. The recognition problem on Sony ACCuros disks can be fixed by running the
DVD a little bit, then starting Shrink.., is that right?
Another thing or two about players. I have several. I have found a Chinese plastic gray player with any brand name on it (Magnavox on mine) will play most burns, but I couldn't play copies made from Street DVDs I get, and recorder dvds with up to three cuts of films (six hours) can have their soundtracks turn into noise by the second or third cut. Thats a magnavox MWD 200GA. I give them away to friends to play my burns. They're $29 at Wal-Mart. A cut above them are the cyberhome CH DVD 300, which is formerly Wal-Mart's cheap player, until it became too expensive for Wally World to eke out more profit and charge less. I can get them in other online retail shops. These will play the burns of the Street DVDs I get which are Phillips DVD-Rs. Some video recorder quick and dirtys will stutter and stop on
either of these machines. Video recording is just plain not reliable.
I just ran the Asphalt Jungle (1947) in my HP trying to use the DVD Decryptor Burner at the end. It failed quickly and left me with a near Coaster- a DVD-R with 26 bytes already used, so I burned the same
file with the Sonic burner. I've had intermittent failures with that
burner before. Also with the imageburner too, when in combination with the fixVTS, ripit4me, dvddecryptor setup. Sometimes the imageburn and the dvddecryptor burner just won't work, so I have to use Sonic or Nero. I just tried to use the disk that failed on the
Asphalt Jungle for This Gun For Hire, but it didn't work so I just put
in a new one. I will still try that failure again because I think there is nothing intrinsically wrong with it.
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jackfruit
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10. April 2007 @ 12:39 |
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as for players picky with media i have a very old sony player i paid 350 for at the time that plays every cheap media i toss at it. also have a generic brand one i got for 40 bucks that did the same before it broke, and now a samsung dvd+vcr for 99bucks that also plays everything i toss at it. also a philips portable that never rejected a disc. maybe i'm lucky but it seems players aren't that picky.
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