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30. January 2010 @ 18:16 |
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I for one only bought my HX620W as i could afford to at the time, i only use a low end video card thus could have made do with a much smaller unit.
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30. January 2010 @ 18:26 |
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30. January 2010 @ 18:41 |
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haha yes the hx450w is modular, and i bought the 850w because it was half price :D
well what 500w psu did you have then?
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30. January 2010 @ 18:47 |
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Shaff: The HX450W is only available in europe.
Rob: Because you had a bad 500W PSU, that couldn't deliver anywhere near 500W. If it was a good unit, it would have had no trouble, I assure you.
Ultra PSUs are pretty dodgy most of the time, avoid.
As for 8 S-ATA connections, you can use adapters. They're far less risk due to the lower current draw. Or you can of course, just buy a power supply that does come with that number of connectors. It will be more power than you need, but you're effectively paying for the extra connectors, instead of paying for the extra watts. The main reason this is the case is that the oldest S-ATA hard drives used a substantial amount of power when spinning up and a high powered PSU was required to initialise them, even if they didn't use anywhere near that much power when running. Modern drives are no longer like this.
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30. January 2010 @ 19:12 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
As for 8 S-ATA connections, you can use adapters. They're far less risk due to the lower current draw. Or you can of course, just buy a power supply that does come with that number of connectors. It will be more power than you need, but you're effectively paying for the extra connectors, instead of paying for the extra watts. The main reason this is the case is that the oldest S-ATA hard drives used a substantial amount of power when spinning up and a high powered PSU was required to initialise them, even if they didn't use anywhere near that much power when running. Modern drives are no longer like this.
That's exactly why I subscribe to threads like this. It's educational LOL! Thank you sam. You learn something new everyday. I suppose that is logical though. CPU's, GPU's, etc. All components successors generally outdo them in every way. Power draw and performance. I imagine blu-ray drives will not suffer from early dvd drive mistakes...
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30. January 2010 @ 19:18 |
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Also, for the record, I've not measured the power draw of an optical drive when burning at full speed. I imagine it's quite high. Four of those at once probably use a fair bit of power. Not enough to make 400W inadequate mind, but still enough to send cheap low quality units over the edge I'm sure.
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30. January 2010 @ 19:29 |
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it was a coolermaster 500w psu. i dont remember the exact model. but it is running fine right now in another system without any problems.
i thought the same thing about the ultra's
but im at the point now to get a PSU that is modular and has at least 8 sata plugins it has to be 600W or bigger. i havent found any smaller that was worth talking about. maybe im missing the boat here and just not looking at the right stuff???
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30. January 2010 @ 19:51 |
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There are plenty of dodgy coolermaster 500W PSUs out there, unfortunately.
As for modular and 8 SATA connectors, that's probably true, 600W sounds about right.
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30. January 2010 @ 20:03 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Also, for the record, I've not measured the power draw of an optical drive when burning at full speed. I imagine it's quite high. Four of those at once probably use a fair bit of power. Not enough to make 400W inadequate mind, but still enough to send cheap low quality units over the edge I'm sure.
If you were to measure the draw, what would you use?
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30. January 2010 @ 20:07 |
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Well that's just it, it's not especially easy to properly measure it unless you manually wire the drive through several logging ammeters. The simplest way is to measure your PC's idle consumption, note the increase when a DVD is being recorded, then factor in the efficiency of your PSU at the given load level.
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30. January 2010 @ 20:10 |
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Ahh, I see. Somehow I was imagining a simpler apparatus LOL!
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30. January 2010 @ 20:41 |
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i would like to get a tower that can house 6+ burners and burn 6+ disc at once. that would be sweet. lol
ok so im back to my orginal plan. the corsair HX650 or the coolermaster silent pro 700. same price for both. $119 and from reviews from 3 or 4 differnet place pretty good PSU's
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30. January 2010 @ 20:44 |
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The HAF932 has six 5.25" bays, as do a large numberof full tower cases. You'll struggle to fit that many intel burners in a midtower though.
Of the two PSUs there I'd pick the Corsair personally.
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30. January 2010 @ 20:50 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
The HAF932 has six 5.25" bays, as do a large numberof full tower cases. You'll struggle to fit that many intel burners in a midtower though.
Of the two PSUs there I'd pick the Corsair personally.
lol i knew you would say that sam..lol as i might to.. i kinda like the 650TX i have now.
yea the 922 im getting i can only squeeze in 5 of them.. but i have plenty room for extrenal odd's to add..lol
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31. January 2010 @ 00:05 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
it was a coolermaster 500w psu. i dont remember the exact model. but it is running fine right now in another system without any problems.
i thought the same thing about the ultra's
but im at the point now to get a PSU that is modular and has at least 8 sata plugins it has to be 600W or bigger. i havent found any smaller that was worth talking about. maybe im missing the boat here and just not looking at the right stuff???
Rob,
I think that 500w CoolerMaster was one of these.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171031
I use one in mine, and it's more than adequate to run my Quad core, 3 HDDs, 2 Optical drives and 7 fans, not counting the one in the PSU. I don't need anymore than that! Voltages remain rock solid after almost a year of 14-17 hours a day use! I've sold a ton of them and never experienced a DOA one yet, or ever had one fail!
Best Regards,
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31. January 2010 @ 00:20 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Originally posted by cincyrob:
it was a coolermaster 500w psu. i dont remember the exact model. but it is running fine right now in another system without any problems.
i thought the same thing about the ultra's
but im at the point now to get a PSU that is modular and has at least 8 sata plugins it has to be 600W or bigger. i havent found any smaller that was worth talking about. maybe im missing the boat here and just not looking at the right stuff???
Rob,
I think that 500w CoolerMaster was one of these.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171031
I use one in mine, and it's more than adequate to run my Quad core, 3 HDDs, 2 Optical drives and 7 fans, not counting the one in the PSU. I don't need anymore than that! Voltages remain rock solid after almost a year of 14-17 hours a day use! I've sold a ton of them and never experienced a DOA one yet, or ever had one fail!
Best Regards,
Russ
Yep that was it. ;) Amazing how you've sold a few and had NO issues with them. ;) I still think his issue was more with the MOBO than it was with the PSU... IIRC he had some funny problems and finally sent in the CPU and MOBO... problems were then fixed IMS. ;)
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31. January 2010 @ 01:37 |
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Originally posted by greensman:
Originally posted by theonejrs:
Originally posted by cincyrob:
it was a coolermaster 500w psu. i dont remember the exact model. but it is running fine right now in another system without any problems.
i thought the same thing about the ultra's
but im at the point now to get a PSU that is modular and has at least 8 sata plugins it has to be 600W or bigger. i havent found any smaller that was worth talking about. maybe im missing the boat here and just not looking at the right stuff???
Rob,
I think that 500w CoolerMaster was one of these.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171031
I use one in mine, and it's more than adequate to run my Quad core, 3 HDDs, 2 Optical drives and 7 fans, not counting the one in the PSU. I don't need anymore than that! Voltages remain rock solid after almost a year of 14-17 hours a day use! I've sold a ton of them and never experienced a DOA one yet, or ever had one fail!
Best Regards,
Russ
Yep that was it. ;) Amazing how you've sold a few and had NO issues with them. ;) I still think his issue was more with the MOBO than it was with the PSU... IIRC he had some funny problems and finally sent in the CPU and MOBO... problems were then fixed IMS. ;)
GM,
Same thing with the Thermaltake W0100RU 500w that I had before the C/M! The original one I purchased for my D-940 is still going strong and powering Oxi-II, after 5 years of heavy use!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153052
Both are very well made with quality components. Nothing fancy, but they do a good job! It's not likely to burn the house down either!
Russ
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31. January 2010 @ 02:18 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Rob,
I think that 500w CoolerMaster was one of these.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171031
nope,nope,nope this one Russ...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171018
still runn'in strong powering the Old E6750 at low oc of 3.4ghz on Rob's old p35-ds3r rev 2.0 board with stock cooler and the old 800 corsair memory...it's in my son's room and he's using it for right now until he leaves for the Air Force.I'm running Win 7 on it and it's on the home network so. I can stop and start it up anytime when.I want to to tranfer information if need be to system to system:)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145034
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it was a coolermaster 500w psu. i dont remember the exact model. but it is running fine right now in another system without any problems.
true indeed
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remember ya'll this was the psu that me and Rob switched out the fan to led it's turning at 1200 rpm's that's good enough...
Rob best of luck in your choice of a psu. I hav'en had any problems in my Silent Pro 700w what so ever and it's quiet take my word for it and you can come over anytime to see for your self and the Efficiency is 85% what more do you want? don't be afraid to step outside the box and try something new. I got three 140mm and two 120mm front and back plus the 135mm keeping it cool plus the Radeon 5770(Oc'd) and 3 burners and 4 hard drives and Q9550 at 3.9ghz even and all things are running well Captain
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Originally posted by bigwilly:
nope,nope,nope this one Russ...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171018
still runn'in strong powering the Old E6750 at low oc of 3.4ghz on Rob's old p35-ds3r rev 2.0 board with stock cooler and the old 800 corsair memory...it's in my son's room and he's using it for right now until he leaves for the Air Force.I'm running Win 7 on it and it's on the home network so. I can stop and start it up anytime when.I want to to tranfer information if need be to system to system:)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145034
I guess that is the NEW version of that PSU. ;) Glad to hear it's still running and doing it's job. :D
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Originally posted by greensman:
Originally posted by bigwilly:
nope,nope,nope this one Russ...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171018
still runn'in strong powering the Old E6750 at low oc of 3.4ghz on Rob's old p35-ds3r rev 2.0 board with stock cooler and the old 800 corsair memory...it's in my son's room and he's using it for right now until he leaves for the Air Force.I'm running Win 7 on it and it's on the home network so. I can stop and start it up anytime when.I want to to tranfer information if need be to system to system:)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145034
I guess that is the NEW version of that PSU. ;) Glad to hear it's still running and doing it's job. :D
GM,
Yes I have the newer revision, the RS-500-PCAR-A3 500W Revision 2.3. It's proved to be every bit as good as the RP-500w was bad. The original RP I had ran hot and was very noisy, while the RS Newegg replaced it with runs cool and very quiet. That one (Rev, 2.0) has something in the neighborhood of 28,000 hours on it without any problems at all, and has been running 24/7 for almost a year now. not to shabby for an almost 5 year old $29 ($20 MIR). My current one (Rev. 2.3) has been running solid for almost a year now without a hitch!
I wish Antec would modernize their Earthwatts 500w PSU. A Thermally controlled 80mm fan in a very warm environment is just plain loud! Actually the Earthwatts 550w seems to be a better PSU, and it's $10 less.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371016
Not only that, it's modular w/6 Sata plugs. I may give one a try and see how it does, one of these days. Should be very efficient given my needs. Still I would like to have Active PFC and better efficiency, along with the benefits of being Modular!
Best Regards,
Russ
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31. January 2010 @ 09:39 |
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The BP550 is a member of the Basiq series isn't it? Not the Earthwatts...
I'm sure I've seen 120mm cooled Earthwatts units, but perhaps I didn't. That said, they're relatively standard units with regard to efficiency, and given how much the 500W Earthwatts costs, you can get a quieter Corsair VX 450W for the same price, less with a rebate.
A little pricier and a relative unknown, but the quietest unit in that price range is this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817610002
Not modular, but I use one, and I agree with SPCR placing it almost at the very top of the 'quietest PSUs' chart. With everything turned off in a system, no hard disks, no fans, no anything, that's a very difficult PSu to hear, you have to be a handful of inches away and even then listen hard. The main reason for this is the rpm of the fan was measured to be less than 400 even up to a reasonably sizeable load of 150W. Even beyond that, the maximum speed of the fan is only 900rpm. Consider that even the quietest Corsairs start at 700, and a lot of Thermaltake PSUs start at 1100, the Toughpower included (and that's a bigger fan too).
The worst I know is the Coolermaster iGreen which starts at an absurd 1600rpm and runs around 1800-1900 in a modest load environment (3 HDDs, 95W CPU at stock, single 6-pin graphics).
I have also since purchased this unit for my file server, as it scores even higher marks for silence than the value unit, but has a few more plugs on it:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817610007
The only unfortunate with these units is their lack of modular cabling. Nexus do make modular units, but I'm not sure how quiet they are.
How the Coolermaster Silentpro stacks up to the best silent PSU competition:
I have omitted readings that are essentially the same but higher wattages. Plus, it's unlikely a PSU will be used at its maximum load anyway
Nexus RX-8500 850W
150W: 14dB
200W: 18dB
250W: 23dB
300W: 28dB
400W: 32dB
Coolermaster SilentPro M700W
150W: 14dB
200W: 18dB
250W: 25dB
300W: 27dB
400W: 30dB
550W: 34dB
Nexus NX-5000R3 530W
150W: 11dB
200W: 12dB
250W: 14dB
300W: 22dB
400W: 24dB
Nexus Value 430W
150W: 11dB
200W: 16dB
250W: 18dB
Antec Signature 650W
200W: 15dB
250W: 16dB
300W: 18dB
400W: 28dB
500W: 36dB
650W: 47dB
Seasonic X-650W
100W: <8dB
150W: 12dB
200W: 13dB
250W: 14dB
300W: 16dB
400W: 31dB
As you see, the lightweight Nexus units have the low load market sewn up for silence. 150W may not seem like much but remember that's enough to run an E8400 and HD5770 at full load (Stock voltages of course).
The Seasonic X-650 clearly has the low load idle rating win, as it is the only unit here where the fan actually stops altogether below 100 Watts load.
Up to 250W the race hots up with Antec's Signature unit performing very well. Beyond this point the NX-8500 and SilentPro units start to become genuinely noisy, however.
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The original RP I had ran hot and was very noisy
That's why.I replaced the fan with another it was loud as a motor boat and it's cool it's not steaming up the clear case or having any melting spot marks.lol
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I guess that is the NEW version of that PSU. ;) Glad to hear it's still running and doing it's job. :D
New and improved and.I'm gonna keep until it quits it was in my cm590 powering the I45 board and the E8400 for awhile but when. I upgraded to a Quad and more.I moved it over to the Antec 300 and now the clear case.I don't understand everybody's noise issues if it's over bearing change the fan and be done with it...
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(sammorris)The BP550 is a member of the Basiq series isn't it? Not the Earthwatts...
I'm sure I've seen 120mm cooled Earthwatts units, but perhaps I didn't.
Sam, It seems to be a model in between the Basiq series and the Earthwatts. I think I've seen a "Green" Earthwatts 430w with a 120 in it. Still, I want the Modular Cables! Who knows what will be being sold when I'm ready to buy anyway! :)
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Not everyone is willing to risk the void warranty, and most PSUs these days use PWM fans which aren't so easily replaced. Not if you want them quieter, anyway.
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it will be a coin toss for me when its time to hit the buy button in a week or 2. but i have made the choice its gonna be the corsair HX650 or the CM SP M700. like i said they both are $119 right now just about everywhere. so if one goes on sale or has free shipping that will be the deal breaker. i dont think i can go wrong with either...
now just thinking of some small mods i can do the the 922 before i get everything to put in it.
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