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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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23. February 2010 @ 08:19 |
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Oh right. Still, I can't help but be reminded of another Gecube AGP product... :S
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23. February 2010 @ 08:29 |
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Haha that terrible X1950? Seen lots of those burn up. IIRC there was a long-running thread here for a while about that particular card...
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23. February 2010 @ 08:31 |
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Actually, that's how the graphics card and PC Gaming thread got started...
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23. February 2010 @ 08:33 |
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Oh right it's all flooding back to me :P
AFAIK the actual card was not of bad quality. The cooler was just poorly implemented. Lots of people put aftermarket coolers on them and used them for a long time. Particularly one of my cousins is still running one with a 3.4Ghz Northwood...
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23. February 2010 @ 13:09 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Omega: You do realize there's a lot more to faulty products than ignorant workers right?
Machines don't make mistakes. People do. When machines fowl up, its are job to be on the ball :p
I do need to realize though, that $h!t happens, and to get over it. You win some, and you lose some LOL! Yesterday was a VERY bad day for me.
Windows 7 was installed on that drive before. But I don't see how that holds relevance. When something is deleted, or formatted over, the HDD is instructed to write certain instructions in the particular area where the data is, so that it can be written over, and no longer read. Only certain recovery applications can read that data.
Estuansis is probably right. I have a Raptor made by Dell( I think ), won't run a operating system stable, but will still serve as a storage medium. Perhaps the same thing has gone wrong on this drive. Perhaps I can just store some data on it. I can think of some particular backups I wouldn't mind on it :)
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23. February 2010 @ 13:23 |
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Dell don't make hard drives, if it's a Raptor, it's a WD.
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23. February 2010 @ 14:23 |
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I once heard the Dell had some product line. Or at least rebranded it. I believe it was an 80Gb version. Which is not mine. Mine says WD740 74.3Gb.
Russ, do you have any idea what I'm talking about? LOL!
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23. February 2010 @ 14:36 |
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The Dell branded drives, as far as I see, were rebrands of an OEM company called Origin Storage. - They were standard PC drives though, I don't see them having made any 10k drives.
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23. February 2010 @ 18:50 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
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As for the X800GTO, it was a bit of an odd one, the X800'what we found in the store room'edition. As far as I recall, some of them were X850 based, others X800 based, and overclocking results were quite variable as a result.
Yes some are based on the X800XL, and at stock clocks they are an X800XL with only 12 pixel pipes. Unlocking the extra 4 to make it a full XL model was about all you could do.
But some of them were based directly on the X850XT. These ones not only unlocked, but were able to OC to X850XT specs, perfectly stable, because they were made to run those clocks. Obviously, though, an aftermarket cooler is recommended because the X800GTO only has a single slot cooler vs the X850's dual slot.
Estuansis,
Yeah! Some had the same gpu as the X850GT only with 12 pipes. Unlocking the other 4 turns it into an X850GT. Overclocks very well too! I only had the AGP 8x version, but it was a very good card for it's day!
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24. February 2010 @ 00:56 |
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After a bit of reading on the i7 930 and how poorly a majority of them are OCing, I'm considering getting a W3520 instead now. Most of you probably think I'm either stupid or crazy now lol. I'm also starting to feel like I'm skimping too much on the MB and should be getting a UD5, suckers 90$ more though. Could also just rebuild my current rig for ~300$ too, still a valid option lol.
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24. February 2010 @ 08:48 |
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Originally posted by Red_Maw:
After a bit of reading on the i7 930 and how poorly a majority of them are OCing, I'm considering getting a W3520 instead now. Most of you probably think I'm either stupid or crazy now lol. I'm also starting to feel like I'm skimping too much on the MB and should be getting a UD5, suckers 90$ more though. Could also just rebuild my current rig for ~300$ too, still a valid option lol.
Because I"m lazy and forgetful... what is your current rig? NOT what's in your sig I take it. ;) And what exactly are you wanting to do with this NEW computer??
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24. February 2010 @ 12:04 |
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Sorry what? Xeon? UD5 board? I'm confused. What is this system being used for?
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24. February 2010 @ 13:07 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Sorry what? Xeon? UD5 board? I'm confused. What is this system being used for?
Thanks Sammy... I thought that I was the only one NOT knowing what is going on here... LOL. At least I know it's NOT my age... 20 years difference between you and I doesn't bother me so much now.. hehehe. :p
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24. February 2010 @ 13:14 |
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Estuansis,
Yeah! Some had the same gpu as the X850GT only with 12 pipes. Unlocking the other 4 turns it into an X850GT. Overclocks very well too! I only had the AGP 8x version, but it was a very good card for it's day!
Right and because they were still full 256-bit X800 cards, they weren't really lacking in performance even before the unlock. I remember my X800GTO as impressive. It was a high end card for half the price. And when I unlocked it blew my mind. At stock it was beating up a 6800GT. Unlocked and overclocked it was beating a 6800 Ultra :P
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24. February 2010 @ 15:10 |
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Originally posted by greensman:
Because I"m lazy and forgetful... what is your current rig? NOT what's in your sig I take it. ;) And what exactly are you wanting to do with this NEW computer??
Originally posted by sammorris:
Sorry what? Xeon? UD5 board? I'm confused. What is this system being used for?
My current rig is what's in my sig, except everything's back to stock and the RAM is underclocked to 800Mhz since it won't post at anything higher. Up until two weeks ago looking at it funny was enough to cause a BSOD.
I knew I should have elaborated on that post, but was just too lazy at the end of a long day. Basically this system is just for me to mess around with do what ever I want with, and hopefully get a good stable OC on. Technically I probably just need a newer dual core or maybe even LGA 775 quad, but there's no fun in that. The way I see it is that I can afford to do this now, so not doing it as long as I intend to upgrade doesn't make that much sense (also I'm not planning on upgrading after this for a long time so the longer the "life" of what I get now the better). Not to mention the build hasn't broken three figures yet (to the left of the decimal point :P) which is considerably less then what I paid for my current one lol.
It's still too early to tell but if the 930's continue to OC poorly, a good 920 is still better. And as far as I know a w3520 is just a higher binned 920 with a new name, so it might be worth spending the little extra for a w3520 since it will OC better (at least that's what I've read so far).
My ramblings about the UD5 was just my subconscious bothering me about buying the [almost] cheapest MB possible and then sticking a ~300 cpu into it and trying to OC. Think I'll stick with the UD3R though, it's probably the same as the UD5 except without the features I wouldn't use.
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24. February 2010 @ 15:30 |
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Originally posted by Red_Maw:
Originally posted by greensman:
Because I"m lazy and forgetful... what is your current rig? NOT what's in your sig I take it. ;) And what exactly are you wanting to do with this NEW computer??
Originally posted by sammorris:
Sorry what? Xeon? UD5 board? I'm confused. What is this system being used for?
My current rig is what's in my sig, except everything's back to stock and the RAM is underclocked to 800Mhz since it won't post at anything higher. Up until two weeks ago looking at it funny was enough to cause a BSOD.
I knew I should have elaborated on that post, but was just too lazy at the end of a long day. Basically this system is just for me to mess around with do what ever I want with, and hopefully get a good stable OC on. Technically I probably just need a newer dual core or maybe even LGA 775 quad, but there's no fun in that. The way I see it is that I can afford to do this now, so not doing it as long as I intend to upgrade doesn't make that much sense (also I'm not planning on upgrading after this for a long time so the longer the "life" of what I get now the better). Not to mention the build hasn't broken three figures yet (to the left of the decimal point :P) which is considerably less then what I paid for my current one lol.
It's still too early to tell but if the 930's continue to OC poorly, a good 920 is still better. And as far as I know a w3520 is just a higher binned 920 with a new name, so it might be worth spending the little extra for a w3520 since it will OC better (at least that's what I've read so far).
My ramblings about the UD5 was just my subconscious bothering me about buying the [almost] cheapest MB possible and then sticking a ~300 cpu into it and trying to OC. Think I'll stick with the UD3R though, it's probably the same as the UD5 except without the features I wouldn't use.
Ok.... that's better. :)
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24. February 2010 @ 16:23 |
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Since the 930 is just a 920 with a higher starting clock, if you're thinking of overclocking you would be better off with a 920. However, do you really need what socket LGA1366 offers? You probably don't and could use an 860 and save a small fortune. On top of that, if you don't even need hyperthreading you can buy a 750 and save even more.
You don't need to UD5 to get a good overclock, UD4 will do nicely, they still have good voltage regulation.
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24. February 2010 @ 16:53 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Since the 930 is just a 920 with a higher starting clock, if you're thinking of overclocking you would be better off with a 920. However, do you really need what socket LGA1366 offers? You probably don't and could use an 860 and save a small fortune. On top of that, if you don't even need hyperthreading you can buy a 750 and save even more.
You don't need to UD5 to get a good overclock, UD4 will do nicely, they still have good voltage regulation.
Sammy I agree with that and I think that I mentioned something to him or someone else a few posts up. ;) Anyway I think that an i5 would do nicely and last you for at least 3 years or maybe more especially if you go with a x64 based OS which will take 4GB of RAM or more. ;)
I'm sure Sammy will have some input. :)
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24. February 2010 @ 20:40 |
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^ yeah you mentioned that when I asked about mushkin ram.
Making another LGA775 system only makes sense if you need to save money at this point in time, and even less sense from the "PC enthusiast" perspective (or is that just me?). Like I said before I probably don't need anything but a newer dual-core or a low end quad unless you can add games to the "need" category. The main reason I choose the LGA1366 socket over 1156 is everything I've read indicates that intel is more likely to release their next line up of 32nm cpu's on 1366 and 1156; or at least the nicer higher end ones which might be nice to take advantage of 3-5 years down the road. The other reason I decided on 1366 was when I did the pricing for a 920 and 750 the difference came to be ~50$ + DDR3 RAM. Definitely small enough to warrant getting at 1366 over 1156 if both systems were to have ddr3 ram imo. Reason for the small difference was....I'm not sure anymore. I think when I did the original pricing earlier this month the cheapest MB with SATAII ports was a UD6, or newegg messed up because I distinctly remember only have 3 Asus and 3 Gigabyte boards to choose from. Now the difference is 140$, something to consider. Still worth it though if Intel plans to develop the 1366 line more then the 1156 imo.
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24. February 2010 @ 20:54 |
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1366 only comes out close to 1156 if you are skimping on a minimal 1366 build versus a high-spec 1156 build. In reality, this is a comparable build:
i5 750 + P55A-UD3 + 4GB PC3 12800 C9 = $440
i7 920 + X58A-UD3R + 6GB PC3 12800 C9 = $679
and all this buys you is extra PCI express bandwidth (pretty useless unless you're going quad crossfire), 2GB of extra RAM and the ability to upgrade to extreme CPUs. It is true that Intel's 6-core CPUs will be developed on the LGA1366 socket, but in the next 5-6 months or so the only one to appear will be a $1000 extreme edition, out of reach of most people, and do you really need six cores? These CPUs will not add any extra per-core performance at this time.
It is pretty much guaranteed that 32nm CPUs will filter down to LGA1156 in quad core format as after all, the i5 dual cores are already 32nm CPUs, it's the IGPs that are 45nm. By the time you will be buying an upgrade, new 32nm quad cores on LGA1156 will be out, I'm near-certain of it.
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24. February 2010 @ 22:07 |
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That might be a better comparison, but I thought the UD4 was a better match to the UD3R than the UD3. Also i7 has triple channel memory which may make a decent performance difference a couple years from now. 280$ is still enough to make me reconsider though.
Last two questions, then I'll shut up make my decision. If I understand your post correctly, 1156 won't be seeing any cpu's with more then 4 cores? There is no point in some one like me getting a 6-core cpu now, but I can say with almost complete confidence (assuming the current trend continues) that I'll want at least a 6-core cpu 3-5 years from now.
If you were going to keep this socket type till 2015, would you recommend 1156 or 1366? Despite my desires to update every 2-3 years, common sense usually wins and I typically keep the system as is for much longer. Heck, I had a 1Ghz P4 with 128MB of DDR RAM till 2007 as my only computer lol. The only reason I'm upgrading now is because my current system has issues I haven't been able to solve and I no longer wish to spend any more money trying.
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24. February 2010 @ 22:12 |
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Not especially, and in any case, the UD4 is a European model by the looks of things, you get the UD4P in the US. Triple channel memory won't change anything performance wise. In encoding/rendering applications it has a benefit of a fair few percent, in games it makes no difference. I don't see that changing at all.
I didn't say 1156 won't see CPUs with any more than 4 cores. I consider it quite likely there will be 6 and/or 8-core CPUs on the platform. All I can say is that LGA1366 will get them first, and will get the most powerful ones. If you're not planning on getting another CPU for 3-5 years, you can forget about planning for upgrades, as it is almost inconceivable that current gen boards will support CPUs that come along after that period of time. Remember, 3 years before now 775 boards that would work with recent Core 2s had only just come out, and the then-current crop of AM2 boards would not work with any of today's AMD CPUs at all.
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24. February 2010 @ 22:22 |
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Red_Maw, they didn't make p4 1ghz as p4's started at 1.3 to 1.4ghz.
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24. February 2010 @ 22:24 |
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Indeed, though the early P4s were so dire, you wanted a P3 instead. It was only when the Northwood came out that P4s were worth having (and even then, you still wanted an Athlon XP really). I think the Northwoods started at 1.6.
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25. February 2010 @ 00:19 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Not especially, and in any case, the UD4 is a European model by the looks of things, you get the UD4P in the US. Triple channel memory won't change anything performance wise. In encoding/rendering applications it has a benefit of a fair few percent, in games it makes no difference. I don't see that changing at all.
I didn't say 1156 won't see CPUs with any more than 4 cores. I consider it quite likely there will be 6 and/or 8-core CPUs on the platform. All I can say is that LGA1366 will get them first, and will get the most powerful ones. If you're not planning on getting another CPU for 3-5 years, you can forget about planning for upgrades, as it is almost inconceivable that current gen boards will support CPUs that come along after that period of time. Remember, 3 years before now 775 boards that would work with recent Core 2s had only just come out, and the then-current crop of AM2 boards would not work with any of today's AMD CPUs at all.
Yeah I started to think about what stuff was like 3 years ago and started to remind myself of how much of farce "upgradability" is. I think you convinced me to get a i5 and pray that it will OC well and that I'll be able to afford to upgrade again in 3 years. Still I'm not convinced "bang for the buck" now translates into "bang for the buck" over two+ years.
If I go with a i5 I'd like to get the UD3 instead of the UD4P to widen the cost gap a bit more, but I do need to know, can I put a GPU in the bottom slot and have it run at 16x? The specifications page says PCI-E 2.0 - 1, PCI-E x16 - "1, running at x4". That makes me wonder if they mean with one PCI-E populated the other runs at x4 or if one of them is actually just a PCI x4 slot. Although the UD3 board seems to have a about 3 times as many RMA's as the UD4P.
Originally posted by ddp:
Red_Maw, they didn't make p4 1ghz as p4's started at 1.3 to 1.4ghz.
That's what i get for guessing, been to long to remember. After checking it happens to be a 900MHz P3 lol.
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