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1. March 2010 @ 20:45 |
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What I meant was Russ, was that the current draw of fans isn't going to increase as the voltage is reduced. If anything, it's going to decrease. They aren't regulated devices like power supplies. However, you are correct in your concern about stationary fans at too low a voltage. With no movement, the current draw from a fan is going to be vast.
As for the fans, Delta have produced a 220CFM 120mm fan, I know that much. I think it's a 120x120x76 dual-rotor wide-frame design.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCGJ42w02EU
You can tell from the noise it produces that it's either 5 or 3 blade, not the 7 or 9 typical with PC case fans.
As for the current draw, this is one of the controllers I use. It's rated for 2.5A per channel.
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1. March 2010 @ 21:40 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
What I meant was Russ, was that the current draw of fans isn't going to increase as the voltage is reduced. If anything, it's going to decrease. They aren't regulated devices like power supplies. However, you are correct in your concern about stationary fans at too low a voltage. With no movement, the current draw from a fan is going to be vast.
As for the fans, Delta have produced a 220CFM 120mm fan, I know that much. I think it's a 120x120x76 dual-rotor wide-frame design.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCGJ42w02EU
You can tell from the noise it produces that it's either 5 or 3 blade, not the 7 or 9 typical with PC case fans.
As for the current draw, this is one of the controllers I use. It's rated for 2.5A per channel.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.asp...1995016
Sam,
Yes, my bad! I should have said if it didn't start! Nice controller, BTW.
I'm going to replace the lower front Cooler Master fan with the same model Scythe I just bought. It's amazing how getting rid of one noisy fan, fo a quieter can suddenly single out the noise of another noisy fan. It's not that the fan is that loud, but the difference in noise after installing the Scythe, makes doing it a must! The Kama Bay fan hasn't made a peep, since I ordered the new one! LOL!! With the exception of the 1200 RPM Silverstone FN-121, all my future 120s will be 800 RPM. That is unless I can find a fan higher than 53 CFM that's as quiet as the FN-121.
Have you had any experience with one of these, by any chance?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185058
Scythe says 24.00 dBA, which would make it about 2.6 dBA quieter than the Silverstone, and the silverstone is very quiet. I would like a little more exhaust, without having to resort to speeding up the 80mm Silverstone that's installed in place of the Air Duct. As it is right now, I have more air going in than I have going out. I can balance it out with the Silverstone, but it get's a bit loud doing it.
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Russ
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1. March 2010 @ 21:47 |
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It's a continuous process I'm afraid Russ... :P Once you isolate one noise you become aware of the next noisiest, and so on.
As for the 1200rpm slispstream, I only own the 1900rpm version, but the 1200 I believe got the best review at SPCR, and my 1900s at 1200 are pretty quiet (well, the ones that are on the top are, at least, since not even RealSilent fans are that quiet when screwed to the hollow mesh of the HAF's side panel)
They push a reasonable amount of air. I'm not sure it's exactly as good as the FM121, but it's still reasonably good for 1200rpm, and the corresponding noise level.
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1. March 2010 @ 21:59 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
It's a continuous process I'm afraid Russ... :P Once you isolate one noise you become aware of the next noisiest, and so on.
As for the 1200rpm slispstream, I only own the 1900rpm version, but the 1200 I believe got the best review at SPCR, and my 1900s at 1200 are pretty quiet (well, the ones that are on the top are, at least, since not even RealSilent fans are that quiet when screwed to the hollow mesh of the HAF's side panel)
They push a reasonable amount of air. I'm not sure it's exactly as good as the FM121, but it's still reasonably good for 1200rpm, and the corresponding noise level.
Sam,
It's about 15 CFM more than the FN-121, and Scythe seems to have no problem showing fans that are louder, so I may just get one!
Thanks Sam,
Russ
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2. March 2010 @ 00:19 |
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Thanks russ. It should have occurred to me, that even fans have standards that they need to follow. E.g. 120 x 120 x 25. They probably can't be off by any more than a few hundredths of an inch. IF THAT!
I'm probably gonna buy that fan. Do you think the MOBO controller will control that one better than the tuniq fan? Basically, I want a lower RPMs, when zero work load, and high RPMs at high work load. Yes, the way it should be LOL! It seems to be averaging 1500 lately. And thats not quite as silent as I'd like it...
I guess for 9$ though, I could experiment LOL! Though I should probably buy an extra. A few people have complained about them quitting. Perhaps they live in really dusty environments. The sleeve bearings are more so vulnerable to dust then ball bearings eh?
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2. March 2010 @ 01:14 |
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I won't lie (and this is quite important for Russ) the bearings in slipstreams do not tolerate dust well. Even I have to clean mine regularly. However, if you keep them tip-top, they are good fans nonetheless.
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2. March 2010 @ 01:46 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Thanks russ. It should have occurred to me, that even fans have standards that they need to follow. E.g. 120 x 120 x 25. They probably can't be off by any more than a few hundredths of an inch. IF THAT!
I'm probably gonna buy that fan. Do you think the MOBO controller will control that one better than the tuniq fan? Basically, I want a lower RPMs, when zero work load, and high RPMs at high work load. Yes, the way it should be LOL! It seems to be averaging 1500 lately. And thats not quite as silent as I'd like it...
I guess for 9$ though, I could experiment LOL! Though I should probably buy an extra. A few people have complained about them quitting. Perhaps they live in really dusty environments. The sleeve bearings are more so vulnerable to dust then ball bearings eh?
Oman7,
I live in a very dusty environment, where the dust is more like silt, so I was a bit skeptical of a sleeve bearing fan, but after a year, other than a few days of the fan making a clicking noise that just went away and hasn't come back since I ordered what was going to be it's replacement, I have a lot of faith in the Scythe's abilities to endure environments like this.
In your case, I think the 800 RPM 40 CFM Scythe would be your best bet. Even if you had to run it at 800 RPM all the time, it's still extremely quiet. I plan on another one to replace the lower front!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185057
If it takes more than 40 CFM to cool it, you'll need to examine your case fans and see what can be done to improve the case airflow. When you install it, just remember to set the Mode to Auto or Voltage, as it's not a PWM fan. I would give Auto a try first, and see how it goes.
Best Regards,
Russ
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2. March 2010 @ 02:03 |
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Perhaps I'll buy an 800, a 1200, and a 1900, and see how each one does. I fear 800 may not cool as well as I'd like. If I want 4Ghz, I may need at least 1200 rpms. I wonder how loud the 1900 is. I wouldn't call it a waist of money either. I've been considering quad 120's on my side vent. So at least one of those will eventually go there. Where the other one will no doubt be used somewhere. No doubt my secondary. My secondary has a 120 hooked up to molex, and its about half as loud as a blow dryer, which is too loud!
I've actually become somewhat accustomed to the Tuniqs fan now. While its not silent, it has become bearable. But I would like to experiment. If it can be the same cooling potential at lower rpms, I'm obviously all for it ;)
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I won't lie (and this is quite important for Russ) the bearings in slipstreams do not tolerate dust well. Even I have to clean mine regularly. However, if you keep them tip-top, they are good fans nonetheless.
Sam,
I was skeptical myself as to how they would stand up in this harsh environment I live in, but aside from that clicking I heard, which I now believe was the Burner that went bad, it's run 14 to 17 hours a day for a year without problems. I've yet to have to pull the fan out and clean it, and I threw the filter away when I installed it, as it was totally impractical, and crippled the airflow so bad as to make the fan and the concept virtually worthless! My guess is that they have improved the sealing of the bearings, because if it survived here for a year, it can survive anywhere. It's the first non ball bearing fan that ever lasted this long, by a wide margin, since I started living here in So Cal, 7 years ago! The same goes for the Rifle Bearing FN-121 Silverstone on the rear. I vacuum the entire case, about twice a year now!
Best Regards,
Russ
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2. March 2010 @ 02:21 |
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Russ, you vacuum only twice a year eh. You lucky man. I should be doing it probably 12 times. That's no joke by the way. I'm talking dust haven here! LOL!
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2. March 2010 @ 03:05 |
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It's worth bearing in mind that I believe the Kama Bay fan is the same as an S-Flex, which uses the excellent S-FDB bearings. The Slipstreams do not use these.
Omega: The HAF's side vent does not take kindly to vibrations at all, be prepared for quite some noise on there. I explained earlier what it sounds like :P
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2. March 2010 @ 03:15 |
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Aha vibration is my enemy. I can live with bearing noise as long as it's not excessive. But noticeable vibration sets off the OCD in me. I have all of my fans and drives mounted with rubber bushings ATM. It didn't do much for the fan vibration but it worked a treat for my drives(both HDD + ODD) and helps deaden the sound overall.
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2. March 2010 @ 03:20 |
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My side fan array. Microphone positioned about 1mm from the case side, on one of the two pairs (easy to tell which, as one of the pairs seems 10x louder because it's right next to the microphone, rather than beneath it)
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2. March 2010 @ 03:22 |
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Exactly estuansis. Rubber bushings are a godsend for situations like that ;)
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And another, just recorded, this time from above (actually sitting on top of the NZXT case next to it)
Speeds tested are 1300rpm, 1500rpm and 1900rpm. In order, top 2, side 2 low, side 2 high, all 6.
If you listen closely you can hear the 120Hz hum of the HDDs in the background.
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2. March 2010 @ 03:51 |
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Thanks for the comparison. Very useful, and very apparent differences :) My sound system sucks at the moment. I had to turn it up louder to hear the HDD's LOL!
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Russ, you vacuum only twice a year eh. You lucky man. I should be doing it probably 12 times. That's no joke by the way. I'm talking dust haven here! LOL!
Oman7,
Up until I built this computer it was a must, to do it once a month. If you didn't the temps would start rising. I don't know if it's the two layers of airflow or whatever, but it stays clean. With my old C/M Cavalier case, the dust was terrible, in spite of the door for the ODDs. I last cleaned it when I installed this motherboard, about 6 months ago. Even then it didn't really need cleaning. With the old case there would be piles of real fine dust about 1/2" high in the bottom of the case, and the CPU cooler would be all choked up with it. I'd have to pull the fan off of it and blow it out with compressed air, and then use a toothbrush on the fan blade. I haven't had to do that with this one at all yet. I popped the front cover off of it the other day and was surprised to see very little dust at all. Just a tiny bit around the top mating surface of the front fan. There's no whiskers around the Optical drives or the Card reader at all. Plenty of dust on the floor though, and I only vacuumed on Saturday! Hell, you have to vacuum the walls and the ceiling, as well as the floors! The dust itself is like Pumice, only much finer. You take a mug out of the cupboard, you better wipe it out first, or there will be dust floating on the top of your coffee! It get's into everything! LOL!!
I Have a Timex IronMan Triathlon watch that needed a battery after 8 years. It's water resistant up to 100 Meters, and there was dust inside of it when I took the back cover off to replace the battery, and I wear it pretty much 24/7! You take the clothes off of the line you have to shake the dust out of them! It's terrible!
Russ
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Newegg made a decent offer on a printer/scanner in the shell shocker Ad. I bought it :D I've been itching at getting a scanner anyway. I tossed out my last all in one. It looked at me funny...LOL! Naw, I wish that's all it was. Virtually every cartridge I would put in it, would work for a few print jobs (If), and then it wouldn't recognize them. Where as a Lesser model that took the same ones didn't mind them. Don't ever buy an Epson RX595. While I got my money out of it, it was headaches throughout. Apparently its very common for that model to quit right around 1 year.
Hopefully my new Canon will serve me well. I've heard good things about there printers. If they're even close to as good as their cameras, I already know I'll be happy. It's more the scanner I'm after though. I regret junking that printer/scanner but I was also low on desk/area space. I've since reorganized ;)
I also bought the 1200 and 1900 scythe fans. I just don't think that the 800 is gonna bring me the low temps that I wanna see on a OC'd processor. At least with a 1200 I'll be close, if not...well then I'll decide between the 1900 and the tuniq's original fan. Hopefully, the 1900 scythe will behave the way I want it too :)
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I never got on with two Epson printers I had, either of them.
1999-2000 (expired 3 days after warranty, hmmmm): 1999 Epson Stylus 640
Reason for retirement: Required increasingly forceful fist blows to the cover to power on. Eventually my fist wasn't strong enough to do the job.
2000-2002: 2000 Epson Stylus 670
Reason for retirement: Print head extent limiter failed, on returning to the idle position, the head kept trying to move beyond the end of the roller, causing an extremely loud grinding noise.
2004-2007: 2004 Lexmark P706
Reason for retirement: Inability to take in less than 6 sheets of paper at once.
2009-present: 1999 (yes) HP LaserJet 4050N
Best printer I've ever owned. To hell with colour, it didn't even come with a guaranteed toner, and yet it's still printed over 1000 pages so far without starting to fade. Network printing and no stupid failures, 10 years use and it still performs as new, and for £50 delivered, even if it were to fail I can get another cheaper than the inkjets it replaced, not only that, I can get a new one cheaper than a set of inkjet cartridges!
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2. March 2010 @ 05:24 |
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I'm currently using an Epson R280 which thankfully used the same cartridges. I made sure of that ;) No problems so far. Had it for almost 2 months now. And I use it everyday. My R260 was a workhorse for me for about a year straight, printing for me almost everyday. That sucker WAYY paid for itself. Poor thing, when I would turn it on at the end, it would attempt to lift the ink carriage, and then go to move to the side, and thats where it would fail. The ink carriages horizontal motion quit. I was ok with it though. That thing darn near deserved a burial the way it busted its butt for me LOL! I never expected it to last that long I guess. The R280 is a VERY similar model. Only a disc and photo printer though. I need my scanner darn it!
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Currently using the same printer as you Sam. But an updated version that also prints color :P
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2. March 2010 @ 05:29 |
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As far as I'm concerned, a years' heavy use should not be over-burdening for any device.
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How about super heavy LOL! Naw, you're probably right. But having it serviced would have no doubt cost more than I paid for the darn thing. Simply wasn't worth it. I bought it off amazon, And I don't think there was a warranty option.
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Newegg made a decent offer on a printer/scanner in the shell shocker Ad. I bought it :D I've been itching at getting a scanner anyway. I tossed out my last all in one. It looked at me funny...LOL! Naw, I wish that's all it was. Virtually every cartridge I would put in it, would work for a few print jobs (If), and then it wouldn't recognize them. Where as a Lesser model that took the same ones didn't mind them. Don't ever buy an Epson RX595. While I got my money out of it, it was headaches throughout. Apparently its very common for that model to quit right around 1 year.
Hopefully my new Canon will serve me well. I've heard good things about there printers. If they're even close to as good as their cameras, I already know I'll be happy. It's more the scanner I'm after though. I regret junking that printer/scanner but I was also low on desk/area space. I've since reorganized ;)
I also bought the 1200 and 1900 scythe fans. I just don't think that the 800 is gonna bring me the low temps that I wanna see on a OC'd processor. At least with a 1200 I'll be close, if not...well then I'll decide between the 1900 and the tuniq's original fan. Hopefully, the 1900 scythe will behave the way I want it too :)
Oman7,
Russell bought a Dell 810 Scanner/Printer, New for $20 w/free shipping and no tax. The printer sucks as there's no Black cartridge, only color. Run's out of ink real fast! LOL! It's a great scanner though. I gave him a Brother HL-2140, 21 ppm laser Printer as he almost never prints anything in color, so he's happy.
On the cooler fan, you have to keep in mind that if the air goes through the cooler too fast it doesn't collect as much heat. If the air is dry, you get almost no evaporative cooling at all. Look at my speeds. I'm overclocked to 3.5GHz and my CPU volts are at max, 1.424v. The last time I saw 1700 RPM on the CPU fan was while running OCCT. Max RPM is 2200 for the fan @40 CFM. It rarely goes over 1500 RPM, which is a lot less than 40 CFM! And it's only a 92mm fan! The CPU temp has never been a problem, only the Northbridge, which the 40 CFM 800 RPM Scythe side cover lower fan and moving the video card, took care of.
I readily admit that some of this was dumb luck and some of it was skill, with a twist of fate thrown in on the side, but you've seen my posted temps. It's got to get pretty warm in here for it to go over 40 on the CPU. You know that My Freezer 64 pro is no match for your Tuniq Tower 120 when it comes to cooling, yet it's an ice cube of a computer! J/K Try the 40 CFM first. Even slow it down if need be. It should cool just fine or something isn't right in you case airflow, or you just aren't making very good contact between the cooler and CPU. Maybe you'll find that the cooler base isn't flat or some dumb thing like that. I just don't think that 68 or 88 CFM is the answer!
Best Regards,
Russ
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I took a look at most of those fans, even watched the ones on ytube, LOL, I could not last 2 minutes with one of those, it reminded me of sitting in a C-130 cargo space at take off, I cannot fathom how people can take that in thier home.
My printer just failed the other day, a all in one brother bought back in 2003, not bad for 99 bucks, the whole family used it regularly, bucks well spent.
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