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6. March 2010 @ 11:47

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Originally posted by sammorris:
To be fair, most people who saw my cheap and tacky Superflower value case said they liked it too. Generally, if it's not a bog standard grey or black box from a typical PC manufacturer, then it gets a thumbs up!
As far as the RC534 goes, I don't think it's a bad case, and I'm sorry if that's the impression I gave. However, it is minimalistic in its looks, and I think there are many better looking cases out there. I'll be brutally honest, I'm not a huge fan of the Beta's looks myself, but I don't mind them. I certainly wouldn't feel ashamed to own one.
As for heat into the case, it's the black body rule (I think, someone correct me if I'm talking out of my backside) - it's a better conductor and emitter of heat, thus, while you may attract more heat away from the fans (potentially, if the fans are anything other than useless this won't be an issue), the entire case becomes a radiator emitting heat from all areas, which should in theory help.
NZXT's drive mounting systems tend to vary from different cases, but none of them have annoyed me per se. The Whisper deliberately doesn't use tool-less drives for anti-vibration reasons which is excellent, but the Lexa/Tempest system is brilliant, better than coolermaster's for ease of use.
I'm no fan of bottom mount PSUs where the fan faces upwards, but with the Evo I think the PSU faces downwards as it does in the Whisper and the HAF932, which is a great idea, as it entirely isolates the PSU from the rest of the system, reducing noise.

Sam,
Black does absorb heat, but it also holds it in. It doesn't radiate much at all. Like I said, that why radiators are painted light colors as they radiate more heat that way. The only reason cars have black radiators is because it's easier to hide them. White or Silver would be much better, but much harder to keep from being seen and detracts from the color of the car, unless it's black. I participated in some tests for Chrysler of an air conditioning system that used air, called Rovac. They would put 5 or 6 people in a black car after it had been sitting in the sun all day. 145-150 degrees F inside. They would fire it up and see how long it took to cool the car down. The windows had to stay up, and you could damn near die before the cooling finally took over, which took a good 7 minutes or more. It was a flop! The theory was good, but when you compress air, you get moisture, and the moisture created ice crystals, which plugged the whole system up.

Oh I wouldn't feel ashamed to own the Evo case, but the looks would take some getting used to! The RC 534 is actually a much nicer case than the pictures would indicate. Somewhat minimalistic, and a straight up design, but I bought it for it's airflow potential, and it seems to have that in spades. The fans that come in it are OK for stock computers, but you need more airflow for an overclocked computer!

Russ

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6. March 2010 @ 11:55

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fan facing the bottom

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6. March 2010 @ 12:42

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Actually it works both ways. For an object to absorb more heat also means it must emit more heat. That's why black things become warm to the touch, they absorb more heat and emit more heat.

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6. March 2010 @ 16:42

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Quote:
Russ Wrote:

Oh I wouldn't feel ashamed to own the Evo case, but the looks would take some getting used to!

that case is simular to the 590 & 690 on the inside you can relable it and call it a cooler master for the heck of it

simular

only reason the 690 is alittle heavier it's packing more plastic than the others and the 590 is next cause of it's hard drive bay holds same weight on it's own and it's removable...the Dimensions are close in height but the 690 wins again with platic added top and the rubber mounted floor shoes...lol

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6. March 2010 @ 17:06

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Well, it is the day time. My temperatures do rise slightly in the day time. Looks like putting the gpu lower had no effect. But, I haven't increased its fan speed yet. I usually run it at 50% idle, as opposed to 40% I can barely hear 50 :p My 550W corsair sure felt warm. Warmer than my 700W OCZ if memory serves. Hope it doesn't share that heat with my beautiful GTX 260 :p
The one on the left, was before moving the GPU lower, the one on the right is the current situation. Though I bumped up the GPU fan speed, and am running 2C cooler now.
Fan 3 is my exhaust ran to molex. Fan 2 is no doubt my HDD cooler. And fan 1...Im not sure what that is. LOL! Totally joking. I plan on replacing that next, with the 1900 slipstream. But first, I have to do some car work. Oil change and tire rotation. Fun stuff! LOL!

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6. March 2010 @ 18:34

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@Russ

Mips Test results at 3.8ghz dropped from 3.9ghz

Memory Results

voltages set at 1.325v in bios memory at 2.1v all is stable!

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6. March 2010 @ 20:56

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At the haters of my "new" Evo... :P

I almost got this one.. NOT completely against getting it for a future build either. :)

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6. March 2010 @ 21:07

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Originally posted by theonejrs:

Red_Maw,
The stock fans on the CM 534 aren't very loud. They only seem loud when you put something quieter in. Then you notice them right away. They push about 28 cfm. I have a Silverstone in place of the stock rear fan, FN-121-BL 53.5 cfm. Get just the plain FN-121 if you don't want blue lights.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835220031
I'm actually thinking about replacing it with one of these Scythe fans, for more airflow, but just as quiet.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185058
It will add another 15 cfm to the exhaust air, and do it quietly.
I replaced the side fan with a Scythe 40 cfm 800 rpm fan (intake).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185057
I plan to replace the front CM fan (intake) with one of these to get a little more air over the hard drives, at least another 10 cfm. The air duct, I replaced with a silverstone 80mm FM83 (exhaust). it's the only 80mm fan I've found that won't make you deaf moving 25-40 cfm between 1200 and 1400 rpm. I use it mainly to balance out the total case exhaust for best cooling.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835220023
I also have a Scythe Kama bay fan that takes up the lower 3 5.25" bays. 30.53 cfm and blows over the memory and straight into the CPU cooler.
http://scythe-usa.com/product/acc/008/sckb1000_detail.html
I just feel that two layers of airflow through the case is better than one, and I only need two 5.25" bays to begin with, as I don't want or need more than two burners, and it looks like it came with the case. Color matches perfectly. Even now with the stock front CM fan, it's still very quiet. It will be even quieter still when I replace the front CM with the 40 cfm 800 rpm scythe. The airflow/noise ratio is very hard to beat unless you are looking for a silent PC. Sam goes to the quiet side, but gives up a little to heat. I'm the opposite, where lower temps are my prime concern, and I don't mind a little gentle noise, if you can even call it noise, as it's not an unpleasant sound at all. The rear and lower front are 1200 rpm, the Kama Bay and the side Scythe are 800 rpm, and the side 80mm Silverstone is set at 1200 rpm at the moment, and is more than quiet enough. It's the quietest computer I've ever built, by a wide margin, and the cooling is outstanding!

Good luck with your new build, and may your clocks runneth over!

Best Regards,
Russ

Thanks for the cooling/noise advice Russ. I might be able to squeeze some new fans into the budget if they'll make it quieter, but the bay fan is definitely out. Too much money for a system that only needs decent cooling. Are you sure about the Scythe fan being quieter then the silverstone? It would be the one to get since it's cheaper but all I've heard about Scythe fans is they move lots of air and aren't always quiet in the process. Might just a couple of the 800rpm one's, should be plenty for the job.

Originally posted by Russ:
The fans that come in it are OK for stock computers, but you need more airflow for an overclocked computer!

Based off that, I'll only be getting new fans since they'll be quieter.

Originally posted by greensman:
I just pulled the trigger on this case.... I couldn't stand it... for $40 bucks delivered after MIR it's a dang good buy if you ask me. :D

linky to NZXT BETA EVO

@ Red_Maw.... you might consider a case that has free delivery and is fairly cheap considering the computer is for ya mum... they don't need the crazy cooling or big case most of the time and a dollar or two saved is a buck you can use on another component. :D Good luck with your build. :)

add: Red_maw here is a few that I would consider... just trying to help. :)

link to cases with free shipping at the egg

I did look at the BETA EVO but I don't think she would like it, and the CM case is on Amazon for a total of 55 (free shipping, no tax) so it isn't a whole lot cheaper anyway. Contrary to what we like, the idea is to as minimalistic as possible, without ruining cooling potential. Plus it might have to operate in fairly high ambient temps so a standard hot box would make me worry. I might also try to OC it a little bit if I get the chance, against better judgment of course lol.

TIA,

redmaw

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6. March 2010 @ 21:10

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6. March 2010 @ 21:14

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Originally posted by greensman:
At the haters of my "new" Evo... :P

I almost got this one.. NOT completely against getting it for a future build either. :)

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GM,
I don't hate your new Evo, I just prefer the RC-534 over it. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder! LOL!! It just has an Old fashioned look to me. Sort of a step back in time to my eyes.

I like the look of the Nzxt Gamma, but it is kind of narrow at 7.48"! It might be hard to fit some CPU coolers. I do like the Modern look though, but I wish it had less of a Swiss Cheese look to it.

Best Regards,
Russ

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6. March 2010 @ 21:17

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heres some stat from my big red HEMI. going over 4.0ghz tomorrow. gonna finally do some ocing on this UD3P mobo.

that vcore for this OC is awesome

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6. March 2010 @ 22:01

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nIce job Robert. ;)

@Russ... I hear ya.. I looked at the 534 and just didn't like it. :) I really like the Scout or Storm BUT I just don't need a case that "expensive" or "nice" atm. ;) I'm wanting to do a rebuild of the system that I have and then look at getting AMD <<<yep it says AMD>>> parts for a build later.... NOTHING special, just a possible Quad with mild OC'in and 4+ GB RAM!! :) Hell I might even get another Gigabyte mobo... hehehee. :p

NOW..... on to some "heat" transfer... lol. I say the black case is going to be about the same as the 'normal' case inside... I actually think the "silver" lined case is going to reflect heat BACK into the system and even cause 'hotter' temps inside ye case. lol. Of course how much heat should stay inside the case if you have PROPER cooling going on in there... AIR FLOW I'm saying is going to EVEN out the "color" of the case... jm2¢ ... :p

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6. March 2010 @ 22:12

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Originally posted by greensman:
nIce job Robert. ;)

@Russ... I hear ya.. I looked at the 534 and just didn't like it. :) I really like the Scout or Storm BUT I just don't need a case that "expensive" or "nice" atm. ;) I'm wanting to do a rebuild of the system that I have and then look at getting AMD <<<yep it says AMD>>> parts for a build later.... NOTHING special, just a possible Quad with mild OC'in and 4+ GB RAM!! :) Hell I might even get another Gigabyte mobo... hehehee. :p

NOW..... on to some "heat" transfer... lol. I say the black case is going to be about the same as the 'normal' case inside... I actually think the "silver" lined case is going to reflect heat BACK into the system and even cause 'hotter' temps inside ye case. lol. Of course how much heat should stay inside the case if you have PROPER cooling going on in there... AIR FLOW I'm saying is going to EVEN out the "color" of the case... jm2¢ ... :p

well with a gloss red inside of my case my temps are 29-31c at idle. nice and cool huh? its the red gloss finish

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6. March 2010 @ 22:38

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Originally posted by cincyrob:

Originally posted by greensman:
nIce job Robert. ;)

NOW..... on to some "heat" transfer... lol. I say the black case is going to be about the same as the 'normal' case inside... I actually think the "silver" lined case is going to reflect heat BACK into the system and even cause 'hotter' temps inside ye case. lol. Of course how much heat should stay inside the case if you have PROPER cooling going on in there... AIR FLOW I'm saying is going to EVEN out the "color" of the case... jm2¢ ... :p
well with a gloss red inside of my case my temps are 29-31c at idle. nice and cool huh? its the red gloss finish

See what I mean... even RED doesn't cause it to get any hotter... hehehee. :p

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7. March 2010 @ 00:43

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Originally posted by greensman:
nIce job Robert. ;)

@Russ... I hear ya.. I looked at the 534 and just didn't like it. :) I really like the Scout or Storm BUT I just don't need a case that "expensive" or "nice" atm. ;) I'm wanting to do a rebuild of the system that I have and then look at getting AMD <<<yep it says AMD>>> parts for a build later.... NOTHING special, just a possible Quad with mild OC'in and 4+ GB RAM!! :) Hell I might even get another Gigabyte mobo... hehehee. :p

NOW..... on to some "heat" transfer... lol. I say the black case is going to be about the same as the 'normal' case inside... I actually think the "silver" lined case is going to reflect heat BACK into the system and even cause 'hotter' temps inside ye case. lol. Of course how much heat should stay inside the case if you have PROPER cooling going on in there... AIR FLOW I'm saying is going to EVEN out the "color" of the case... jm2¢ ... :p

GM,
You are close with the Silver lined case, but it doesn't just reflect it back into the case, but more correctly, into the case's airstream so the airflow can carry it away and out of the case leaving the case cooler! Black absorbs heat, but doesn't radiate it very well. Like I told Sam, that's why you don't see dark colored radiators, the darker the color the more heat it holds!

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7. March 2010 @ 01:35

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I'll take your word for it, and leave my case alone. Besides, I love black. It reminds me of my mood LOL! Nah, I simply just have a thing for black. Though I have more a thing for purple, as some of you may have noticed.

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7. March 2010 @ 01:36

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Then why not dabble with some UV lighting?

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7. March 2010 @ 01:41

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Ha ha! I have considered it. In fact, it occupies a good portion of my future plans! Right now though, its simply far from practical. I really need to come up with a money making scheme.
I haven't installed the slipstream yet. Lets just say, I started a process that I don't like interrupting. I may still do it tonight though.

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7. March 2010 @ 05:47

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Things just keep getting better and better. Here's a few changes for you. I fattened up the memory bandwidth right nice.

NB frequency and HT Link frequency set at 2500MHz which means the Hyper Transport speed is 5000MHz

New SuperPi now into the 22 second bracket

Things keep looking better and better! no real improvement in MIPS, but the speed things happen are unbelievable. It's just click-Bang and things open and close. I'm on the right track though

You paying attention Oman7? Class is now in session! ROFLMSOAO!!

Stay tuned Kiddies,
Russ

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7. March 2010 @ 23:01

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Well...I'm having a doozy of a day LOL! I got my second machine back up and running. Installing some BD authoring capabilities, and moving back and forth between the two.
Installed a PCI-E Lan card, in one of the X1 slots. Oh yah, now I can really get some stuff done LOL! I installed it, booted back into windows lasted about 2 minutes, then the whole system froze. Powered down. Powered back up, and on attempting loading OS, it said the OS was missing. If I had a nickel for everytime...LOL!
I finally got into the bios, and it wasn't acknowledging the Velociraptor(OS), or another one of my Storage drives. My thoughts are that something may be wrong with the Sata 3 ports, or the NEC chip in general. NOT good!!! I don't know that the other drive was indeed the other on the NEC chip, But I would nearly bet on it. I'll know if it does it again.
I installed the LAN card right on top of the CMOS battery. So I made sure that it was properly seated, checked the sata cables, on the board and drives. Now it appears to be running fine. Hopefully just some strange fluke. I guess time will tell.
Now to try and run my Lan, FINALLY LOL!

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Meh, I found XP easier for connecting two computers. Windows 7/Homegroup is a prick to say the least. Its not behaving anything like the tutorials. Its like it automatically joins, so I don't have to do it. And yet, I can't seem to share the root of a drive or folder. It never asked for the home group password either. Me and Lan's don't get along...

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8. March 2010 @ 01:13

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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Meh, I found XP easier for connecting two computers. Windows 7/Homegroup is a prick to say the least. Its not behaving anything like the tutorials. Its like it automatically joins, so I don't have to do it. And yet, I can't seem to share the root of a drive or folder. It never asked for the home group password either. Me and Lan's don't get along...

Oman7,
Talk to Sam. I think he has had an XP network. Not 100% sure though!

So, what do you think about my 2500 NB and HT link frequency? Still running great!

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8. March 2010 @ 01:20

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Good job russ :) Thats some serious numbers. My poor Phenom 940 is idling at 42C. And the 965's stock fan is running at 3500rpms. Which isn't max, but I believe its close. Which is fine, 3.5Ghz is probably all the 940 is ever gonna see. It has 4 ram modules, making any higher clocks nearly impossible ;)
I feel like my head is gonna pop with this Homegroup BS! I would think it generally all automatic. Really jumping through some hoops on this. I'd like to just start fresh now from square one, but I'm not even sure how I'm gonna do that now :(

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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Good job russ :) Thats some serious numbers. My poor Phenom 940 is idling at 42C. And the 965's stock fan is running at 3500rpms. Which isn't max, but I believe its close. Which is fine, 3.5Ghz is probably all the 940 is ever gonna see. It has 4 ram modules, making any higher clocks nearly impossible ;)
I feel like my head is gonna pop with this Homegroup BS! I would think it generally all automatic. Really jumping through some hoops on this. I'd like to just start fresh now from square one, but I'm not even sure how I'm gonna do that now :(

Oman7,
I kept on reading and so many people claimed that you can hit 2600MHz with the NB, but I wasn't sure what to do with the HT Link frequency. I tried it at 9x, so I said, "What the Hell", and bumped it to 10x as well. I wasn't surprised by the Memory Bandwidth, but I was sure surprised by the SuperPi 1M score. I may try and up the FSB another 7MHz and see if it will now run at 3.6GHz, but I'm going to wait at least a week and use it the way it is. So far there's been no issues at all. I did get a scare before when the Power went out. I was laying down with the lights off and suddenly the computer shut down. I had no idea that the power went out until it came back on and my Amo lit up and the Laser printer did a stir. I thought Oops, back to the drawing board again! LOL!!

What kind of case do you have for your computer? If you can give me a link, I may be able to make some suggestions to help your cooling. I'm generally pretty good at that!

Best Regards,
Russ