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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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4. August 2008 @ 16:52 |
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We shall see. The result comes as a surprise to me, but nvidia's PR are idiots so we'll see what happens.
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mrk44
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4. August 2008 @ 20:14 |
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4. August 2008 @ 20:17 |
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mrk44,
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And I got a reply from a source at nVidia about the articles regarding the nVidia chipsets....
Quote: "Stop reading that bull-s***." (w/o the asterisks)
I guess it's not true then??
I just got off the phone with XFX, a very close partner of nVidias! I have a couple of friends that work there and they confirm the reports. They've all been going nuts trying to figure out where xFX stands in all of this. XFX is concerned because they have a number of SLI MBs with nVidia chipsets that don't work right now! It also seems that Intel will not grant a license to nVidia to adapt nVidia's chipsets to the coming Intel platform (X58) for the purpose of enabling SLI! SLI won't work with the QPI bus! The N-Force 200 chip is a dead issue, if they can't get a license to use it!
Nvidia chipsets are known for issues with data corruption as well as some other problems. Considering long-time troubles, packaging problems and the lack of QPI license, it is hardly a surprise that mainboard makers are not enthusiastic about Nvidia chipsets! MSI and Abit may well be the next MB manufacturers to drop the 7xx series chipsets from their lineup! That's the scuttlebutt from XFX!
I can understand Intel's thinking here as it would be a step backward for the technology as the N-Force 200 is a Kludge and would be a handicap for other aspects of the new technology. Add to that the 80% market share Intel chipsets enjoy with Intel motherboards, it's pretty easy to see good reason for all we've heard, to be true!
The only market thats left to nVidia at the moment is AMD, and Via! The ATi chipset has grown 16.6% in the last year alone, while the nVidia chipsets have lost 13.7%. Given the Ati chipsets rapid and continuing growth at more than 1.3% a month along with nVidia's decline at right around 1% a month, nVidia chipsets don't have much of a future with AMD, what with Ati being part of AMD!
Best Regards,
Russ
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4. August 2008 @ 20:18 |
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Doesn't look like it includes a backplate, I'd avoid it for that reason. The only reason it will cool better than a TRUE is the faster fan speed, at the same fan speed, it will at best be a couple of degrees better, and with no backplate, no go.
Russ: Interesting stuff, thanks for providing that input. What of SLI now then? Is it dead in the water?
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4. August 2008 @ 20:23 |
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nvidia are not allowed to make intel mobos, (they can still make AMD) BUT they have agreed to allow X58 mobo manus to buy the n-force 200 chipset to implement into the board ala skulltrial. this would need an extra 2 layaer on the PCB, and be extremely hot and costly.
they could have done the same for the x48, and infact, CF works on the nvidia boards, as its mainly a driver supported feature, where SLI needs the nforce chipset, and HP were using systems where they jsut used one 680i mobo for both SLI systems and CF.
but we shall see, maybe later on intel will have a change of heart, OR if Nvidia buy out Via, they could start a rival business.
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4. August 2008 @ 20:25 |
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why would that be sam, why not the fact that the heatpipes acutually touch the IHS? (or is it a gimmick, like most things?)
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4. August 2008 @ 20:25 |
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Didn't nvidia already buy SiS?
Shaff: Given the conductivity of a copper block, I don't really see what's to be gained by using the heatpipes themselves, it would surely provide an uneven coverage of the heatspreader?
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4. August 2008 @ 20:27 |
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doesnt it just provide the video chipset for sis?
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4. August 2008 @ 20:29 |
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Possibly. As far as I can see, SiS still exists as a brand.
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4. August 2008 @ 20:31 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Didn't nvidia already buy SiS?
Shaff: Given the conductivity of a copper block, I don't really see what's to be gained by using the heatpipes themselves, it would surely provide an uneven coverage of the heatspreader?
what is the TRUE, nickle? or aluminIum (no americans that last I is not a spelling mistake :P)
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4. August 2008 @ 20:35 |
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The ultra-120 has a copper base and heatpipes, and aluminium fins I think.
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4. August 2008 @ 20:35 |
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but if they did buy via, and let via still remain doing the nettop/laptop/smartphone etc chips, while using the x86 licence to make highend shader proccessors, which would do amazingly with an x86 licence.
well if the TRUE then knocked of its raggedy POS base (which they still havent fixed) maybe it would increase performance?
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4. August 2008 @ 20:41 |
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Yeah, you spelled Aluminium right, but not Nickel.
P.S. Some SLI works on the X38/X48. So it's just the software.
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4. August 2008 @ 20:47 |
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boozer, trust me
it cannot be done w.o the nforce 200/ 100 chip. it NEEDS it. thats why skulltrail needed it.
mayeb the older series but no way could you do it with 8 series 9 or the GTX 2 series.
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4. August 2008 @ 20:56 |
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sammorris,
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Doesn't look like it includes a backplate, I'd avoid it for that reason. The only reason it will cool better than a TRUE is the faster fan speed, at the same fan speed, it will at best be a couple of degrees better, and with no backplate, no go.
In theory it should do a little better than the TRUE, as it appears to have more surface cooling area around it's perimiter. Those cut outs on the sides and the point in the middle add surface area for heat to radiate away from. That's the reason the "Butterfly" ZeroTherm works so well. The shape has less overall surface, yet the radiating edges occupy more surface area!
I'm with you, Sam! I don't want something that heavy mounted on my MB without a backplate. I noticed they only show a plastic ring that attaches to the MB so an AMD mount can hold it in place. They don't show what hardware the ring attaches to on the motherboard with though!
Best Regards,
Russ
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ddp
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4. August 2008 @ 22:11 |
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shaffaaf, what is this comment about americans?
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no americans that last I is not a spelling mistake
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4. August 2008 @ 22:23 |
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Americans spell it "Aluminum", which is incorrect because it should be spelled Aluminium.
I guess this is coming from an American. I'm not a Citizen quite yet.
Oh and Shaf, I was referring to the older GFX cards. I'm sure you need the chip for the newer ones.
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4. August 2008 @ 22:47 |
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Originally posted by abuzar1:
Americans spell it "Aluminum", which is incorrect because it should be spelled Aluminium.
I guess this is coming from an American. I'm not a Citizen quite yet.
Oh and Shaf, I was referring to the older GFX cards. I'm sure you need the chip for the newer ones.
so its wrong because americans spell it that way???? in all my dictionary's have it spelt ALUMINUM. thats how i spelt it in school.
i dont understand why all the anger towards americans. you do your damnest to get here and take every opurtunity we give you/or you take, and then you want to degrade everything thats american.. i just dont F***ing get it
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4. August 2008 @ 22:48 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
what is the TRUE, nickle? or aluminIum (no americans that last I is not a spelling mistake :P)
Yes ALUMINIUM is the British spelling. I'm guessing you're from the UK then. ;0 Big surprise. So you use the spellings for different words that seem simple on the surface but are difficult to determine in the dictionary. ROFL.... theatre, favourite, and so on. ;)
NOW on to the TECH part of this forum!!!!!!!!!!!
The TRU(E) has a SOLID copper base that is NICKEL plated! I have 2 of the TRU models (90mm & 120mm) and they are very good coolers. ;) I haven't lapped them as they cooled better than I expected and also were more effective than the previous cooler used. :)
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4. August 2008 @ 22:51 |
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lol
RELAX. All I'm saying is that I don't think it's correct. There is no need to be so damn self righteous. It was correctly spelled Aluminium. American dictionaries changed that to be "different". Plus, when I grew up I spelled it Aluminium. Just because the Americans do it one way doesn't mean it's correct.
And please don't start all the immigrant bullshit.
GM, from all the reviews I have read the Sunbeam is better than the TRUE. I suppose that's a good straight forward answer! No need to get to the details. If I had to pick I would choose the Cure contact.
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4. August 2008 @ 22:54 |
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we canadians spell it either way just like color/colour.
rob, i deal with this issue thankyou.
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4. August 2008 @ 23:01 |
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sorry ddp. i just cant take this shit anymore.
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4. August 2008 @ 23:05 |
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don't blame you.
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4. August 2008 @ 23:05 |
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Yes, as far as I'm concerned it in incorrect. Even Americans spelled it Aluminium until about the 1890's when Charles Hall used Aluminum in his advertisements. In fact the American Chemical Society STILL uses Aluminium as the official spelling.
What makes you think I'm talking down to you or that you are any better than me? We are all on a equal plane, and I'm not about to take crap from you either.
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mrk44
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4. August 2008 @ 23:09 |
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This should give you a better idea of how the core contact attatches to the motherboard: http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2271
It seems easy to do, but I don't know how sturdy it is though...it performed better than the TRUE in the tests they did....noise was a little high, but another fan could fix that....
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