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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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2. August 2008 @ 22:50 |
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Sorry, my control over the English language wavers at times.
I hear the Antec fans are pretty good.
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2. August 2008 @ 22:58 |
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Sophocles,
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RAID has always stood for a "Redundant Array of Independent Discs." The Wikipedia definition is wrong.
Back in the very late 80's I was a huge Computer Shopper fan! The first time I ever heard the term RAID, it was explained as Redundant Arrays of Inexpensive Drives. The main idea at the time was to take a bunch of inexpensive smaller drives and make one large drive that was faster than an equivalent sized expensive large drive, hence the name! They even had several articles in the Shopper under that title, by the inventor of RAID!
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2. August 2008 @ 23:07 |
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Back in the very late 80's I was a huge Computer Shopper fan! The first time I ever heard the term RAID, it was explained as Redundant Arrays of Inexpensive Drives.
Then it hasn't been long since you've heard of a RAID. The first one that I heard was "Redundant Array of individual disks." Back when RAID's were firs conceived drives were not inexpensive.
It's like VHS, which is now referred to as Video Home System, but when I was marketing them it was Vertical Helical Scan. Try and Google that one. LOL
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2. August 2008 @ 23:14 |
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LOL no thanks...good luck with yours....lol
But seriously, I need a some fans here.
All joking aside, the Silverstone FM-121 is one of the best case fans you can buy. It's capable of moving huge amounts of air at low rpms. I have tested a lot of fans over the last 3 years or so and unless you are interested in a Silent PC, there's nothing else I've found yet that does a better job! If you ever found a reason to run them at full speed, your problem is not the fan! It moves more air at 800 rpm than a typical 120mm case fan does at full speed! Like I said, it's basically set and forget! I plan to install one in the AMD (since there's room for more holes), and do away with that screaming 92mm cooling it now. It should be whisper quiet as it's a single fan case!
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2. August 2008 @ 23:19 |
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2. August 2008 @ 23:34 |
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Sophocles,
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It was a good fan but fortunately it's been replaced by the FN-121 which has a PWM, 4 pin plug.
Doesn't move as much air but quieter.
As far as I know they still make both fans. At the same speed if the specs are to be believed for the FN, they make about the same amount of noise but the FM moves more air at 1200 rpm! As near as I can see there is a male and female Molex plug and a wire that goes to a fan header to show the fan speed. There is no PWM 4 pin plug! Silverstone's site makes no mention of it either!
http://www.silverstonetek.com/products/p...=fn121&area=usa
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2. August 2008 @ 23:45 |
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lol
I remember when I figured out why they called it male and female cables.
6th grade lol.
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2. August 2008 @ 23:45 |
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The Fn version has PWM which will be much quieter in practical use.
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2. August 2008 @ 23:48 |
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Seems to me that both have PWM, but one of them can use the Motherboard fan control and the other one requires the fan controller.
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2. August 2008 @ 23:58 |
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3. August 2008 @ 01:13 |
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Way off topic, just throwin a little water on the fire. If you have multiple drives heres a nice little program. It only uses 600KB
http://www.mtexplorer.com/
Theirs a nice screen shot 2 look at, some of U might know of it already, but 4 those who don't. I'll be glad when there's a tabbed Win Explorer, like firefox
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3. August 2008 @ 01:59 |
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3. August 2008 @ 02:03 |
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Sophocles,
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Here on some specs. Note that a 4 pin plug is mentioned at newegg. I can't say if it has PWM but what would be the point of a 4 pin plug without it?
Look at the pic below and you will see there's only two wires going to the fan from the 4 pin Molex plugs. The other two wires are just a pass-thru! The yellow wire from the fan connects to a header on the motherboard so it can display the speed. I can't say for 100% certain that it can't be controlled by the MB as PWM with this wire, but I know PWM will work with 3 wires, and I can't find out anymore about them!
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3. August 2008 @ 04:14 |
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Sophocles: The FN121 does not have PWM...read the reviews on newegg, and everyone says the fan speed is not at all adjustable. The four pin plug mentioned in the specs on newegg is the molex power plug... It's still a 3 pin mobo connector...that's what the yellow wire is.
The specs say that FN121 is only 53 cfm and 26.6 dBA, but the FM121 has max of 110 cfm and the fan speed's adjustable so it's the better choice. Just that stupid little fan controller it comes with gets in the way...
And what's the difference between FM121 and FM121-B??
Is there any other speed adjustable fan you guys know of that can move as much air as an FM121?
What do you guys think of this for the top of my case?:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835150007
They say you can control the fan speed by changing the voltage with the 3 pin connector it comes with.
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3. August 2008 @ 04:58 |
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mrk44,
this is the fan I am using on my TRUE. it would never work for the silent enthusiasts around here tho. it has 9 blades and is capable of a little over 110 cfm @ 37 dBA. I don't know if you can control the speed via mobo/bios since I run it at full speed. I honestly don't hear it due to all the other ambient noise. I suppose if I turned off everything else in the house and I was by myself, I could hear it. one con is that it is sleeve bearing and therefor probably won't last as long as a ball bearing fan. it should last plenty long for me and if it doesn't, no biggie. I'll spend another $10 for a new one.
another very popular fan is this one it has a fluid dynamic bearing and is what I first used on my TRUE. I didn't notice a big difference in temp between the two, maybe a couple of degrees. this is the fan anandtech uses for their reviews on the TRUE and tuniq tower. a lot of ppl use these for case fans as well due to their efficiency and low noise. this is what I am using for my case fans. these are all 3 wire 3 pin and all have 3 pin to 4 pin molex adaptors.
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3. August 2008 @ 05:42 |
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mrk44,
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The specs say that FN121 is only 53 cfm and 26.6 dBA, but the FM121 has max of 110 cfm and the fan speed's adjustable so it's the better choice. Just that stupid little fan controller it comes with gets in the way...
And what's the difference between FM121 and FM121-B??
The "B" model has a black 3.5" mount while the FM-121 is silver. I wish they would give you the expansion port panel for three fans!
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They say you can control the fan speed by changing the voltage with the 3 pin connector it comes with.
There is a problem with doing that. Normally whatever method you choose affects all the fans, or maybe all but one. Usually the Pwr Fan is straight 12v! Anyway, if you are using a CPU cooler with a PWM fan, you can't control the voltage to the other fans! The FM-121 will eventually give out under PWM control so it's best to plug it into the PSU, adjust it until you find the best temps, set it and forget it!
I think it's funny, but I read over the list of fans Greensman put up. The FM-121 pretty much matches all of those fans performance at the same rpms! Some of the noise figures are a joke. 9dBA is an outright lie as it can't be measured. Not by affordable equipment, anyway! With our Anachoic Chamber we can tune it down to 16.7dBA. That means it doesn't hear anything below 16.7dBA to measure. It's a 22" cube inside and cost $10,000 plus the computer and software! The kind of chamber it takes to read that low, cost's upwards of half a million dollars and is located in the middle of nowhere! Nasa owns it and it can get down to about 7dBA. They can't get any lower than that because of vibration, even though they are miles away from anything! It still comes through the ground and you can't tune it out!
The FM-121 in my computer stays below 25dBA at 1300 rpm and that's right at 68 cfm. It's not that you don't hear it, but what you hear is a smooth, and not the least annoying sound, mostly air moving with almost no real mechanical sound at all! No whines or clicks and mine's been going steady for more than a year now, 15 to 17 hours a day! It's about 2dBA quieter than when I tested it last year, so that would put it around 21.7dBA now. Not silent but very quiet! I'll probably will sell 100 of the FM-121 this year alone! Never had a dud either, and never had one fail! I wish they made an LED model, I could sell even more!
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3. August 2008 @ 08:40 |
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Sophocles: The FN121 does not have PWM...read the reviews on newegg, and everyone says the fan speed is not at all adjustable.
I corrected my statement to this a few posts back.
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Here on some specs. Note that a 4 pin plug is mentioned at newegg. I can't say if it has PWM but what would be the point of a 4 pin plug without it?
I will accept the fact that it doesn't have PWM. I just couldn't understand what the four pin plug was for.
Below are the specs.
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Dimensions: 120x120x25mm
Rated Voltage: 12 VDC
Start Voltage: 7 VDC
Operating Range: 7 ~ 13.2 VDC
Current: 0.23A Max.
Power: 2.76W Max.
Speed: 1200 RPM +/- 250 RPM
Airflow: 53.24 CFM @ 12VDC
Static Pressure: 0.91mmH2O @ 12VDC at zero airflow
Sound Level: 26.6 dB(A) in free air @ 12VDC
Connector: 3-pin w/ RPM Sensor
He has a 3-pin RPM sensor.
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3. August 2008 @ 09:13 |
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3. August 2008 @ 09:35 |
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Originally posted by mrk44:
Is there any other speed adjustable fan you guys know of that can move as much air as an FM121?
What do you guys think of this for the top of my case?:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835150007
They say you can control the fan speed by changing the voltage with the 3 pin connector it comes with.
mrk44 this fan (CM Y720DCD-25T1-GP) has control abilities, but you have to install the fan controller that comes with it. ;) I have this fan and it's NOT that loud below 80%. It does however get pretty loud at 100%, which most fans do if they push that kind of air.
Why are you wanting such air flow anyway. The fans that I posted earlier (PWM fans) push quite a bit of air and would do just fine on a cpu cooler. ;)
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3. August 2008 @ 10:19 |
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Originally posted by Sophocles:
Rumors are being reported that Nvidia is backing out of the chipset market. After the last few chipset updates one can understand why, but doesn't this also mean an end to SLI?
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/chipsets/di...er.html
i wouldnt say so. the X58s can support SLI via the nforce 200 chip, which if a mobo manufacturer decides to implenent, can do so for the x58s.
and i am sure the hihgest end mobos will do so, but i doutb the lower ends will.
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3. August 2008 @ 10:22 |
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i wouldnt say so. the X58s can support xfire via the nforce 200 chip, which if a mobo manufacturer decides to implenent, can do so for the x58s
That does sound like good news for AMD/ATI but Nvidia cards won't work under Xfire. Without a Nvidia chipset the days of SLI may well be behind us unless Intel or AMD chooses to support it.
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3. August 2008 @ 10:36 |
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sorry, i meant SLI. woops. LOL
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3. August 2008 @ 10:37 |
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3. August 2008 @ 10:44 |
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i wont belive much from the inquirer, they have to be the biggest anti nvidia newsite around. they and fudzilla (who have been quite acurate leading up to these new gen card relaeses) are normally pretty rumourous.
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3. August 2008 @ 10:59 |
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Fair enough, I suppose we will have to wait to see how things unfold. I don't think that this puts Nvidia out of the game one way or another. It just changes the rules a bit. Nvidia has been down before and the came back fighting just as AMD/ATI has.
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