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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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10. July 2010 @ 12:49 |
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Sam, what happened to your last asus boards? I still have one Asus board 9yrs old. I was considering getting an Asus next time. Since the Haf932 keeps things pretty cool, that should add to any Mobos life ;) My MSI and my Asus are still the smoothest boards I've owned to date. Can you elaborate your Asus difficulties?
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10. July 2010 @ 16:51 |
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A8N-SLI SE: Systematic failure of onboard devices. Initial faults 4 months, final failure 6 months.
A8R-MVP: Failed POST/PCI express controller, 16 months.
P5N-E SLI: Chipset failure, 9 months.
Maximus II Formula: Stability problems with all BIOS revisions and default settings, 6 months.
Radeon HD3870: Faulty DirectX interactions, from new. Retired from use (partly due to this fault) at 4 months.
Not to mention I know other people with dead P5N-E SLI boards, and about 3 separate people who had as many as 6 Striker / Striker II boards, which all failed in 4 months or less. The people I told to stick the Striker boards and move to Gigabyte P35 boards, never looked back :P
Some are still using old Gigabyte 965 boards long after all the Asus ones are dead. About the only Asus board still in use amongst my friends is a Rampage Formula. It's not that old, so we'll see how long it lasts.
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10. July 2010 @ 17:06 |
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Wow. I'd say that goes a bit beyond bad luck then.
I'll stick with what works. And so far, I've only had one bad MSI, and no bad Gigabyte boards. And I've purchased a total of 4 Gigabyte boards :D
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10. July 2010 @ 17:09 |
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The only MSIs I've had, one lasted the usable lifetime of the system (4 3/4 years), the other survived a PSU apocalypse, but the system was replaced early due to the need for a new, guaranteed reliable PC for university.
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10. July 2010 @ 17:19 |
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i have had 2 bad GBs, one was doa. A doa asus P5N-E.
working i have had a P5K-E(P35) working still, over 2 years its been now and a rampage 2 formula, and while i had it it worked perfectly fine, till i sld it to sam.
and now a P45 DFI i have had for over a year working fine.
hate the bios on the DFI i have, can't wait to back to asus tbh. Probably keep this system till next gen cards and sandybridge/bulldozer.
PS the P5Ns were nvidia chipsets as were all the striker mobos.
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10. July 2010 @ 17:22 |
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It was a Maximus II, not a Ramapage, and if I remember rightly, you gave it to me in february, having only bought it around november? it was first unstable in april, fault diagnosed for RMA at the end of may.
The P5Ns and Strikers were indeed nvidia chipset boards. However, whilst all nforce chipsets are doomed to premature failure, many people had XFX and EVGA versions of the boards. They all lasted 2-3 years before going bad. Very rarely did the Asus versions last more than that in months. Asus were equally to blame for the Strikers' dire reputation as nvidia. Knowingly selling bad designs (of which the P5N-E SLI was the worst) is why Asus and nvidia are in my bad books. Most companies have accidentally made lemons from time to time, but normally they realise what they've done and correct for it. The fact that boards from mid 2006 through to late 2008 were failing suggests Asus simply don't give a damn, pumping out boards whether they're likely to last or not. The P5K series seem a bit more reliable than most Asus boards, but are not free from criticism as huge swathes of the boards were bricked due to bad BIOSes.
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10. July 2010 @ 18:40 |
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love to see facts and figures for that.
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10. July 2010 @ 23:12 |
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After a year of use, my 30GB Vertex SSD was not big enough for an OS drive loaded with all my programs.
I stumbled on and purchased a new 50GB Vertex2 SSD which better suits my needs. I now have increased storage and speed, but I have an extra 30GB drive I don't need. What should I do with it? What would you do with an extra drive like this?
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10. July 2010 @ 23:15 |
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Why not combine them to be 80Gb Raid? JBOD ;)
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11. July 2010 @ 06:22 |
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you could always send it to me.
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11. July 2010 @ 07:00 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
love to see facts and figures for that.
Google, not difficult :P
I wouldn't ever combine mismatched SSDs in RAID, especially since TRIM with it is still a bit dodgy. If you have another PC that would benefit from an SSD do that, otherwise to be honest you're better off selling it.
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11. July 2010 @ 10:59 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I wouldn't ever combine mismatched SSDs in RAID, especially since TRIM with it is still a bit dodgy. If you have another PC that would benefit from an SSD do that, otherwise to be honest you're better off selling it.
I agree with both points but was looking for an excuse NOT to sell it. My wife wouldnt tell the difference if i slapped it in her laptop, and she can't be bothered to pay attention to the 30GB limit even though I setup a network folder for her to save all her important data to my media server. Truth of the matter is, i was too eager to try new toys and jumped at this a year ago without thinking it through to this point. Same reason I don't need it anymore is the same reason none of my friends that are curious want to purchase it...
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11. July 2010 @ 11:09 |
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ahem!
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11. July 2010 @ 14:18 |
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Sam, I would connect them both in raid. But I wouldn't need to rely on it either ;) Multiple reliable drives *knocking on wood* Sure wish I had money to play with. WITHOUT dipping in to my pension LOL! Though I may be doing that to purchase a replacement vehicle :( Which is fine. I have no interest in staying with the company!
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12. July 2010 @ 18:02 |
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Thanks again for the 70 x 70 x 15 Foxconn fan russ. I'll be trying that badboy out tonight :D
Thankfully, I just bought a couple of these badboys:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812201009
I don't have any other kind of adapter that would support a fans 4 pin. And I just discovered 3, 3 pin to molex adapters I forgot I had. I was rummaging around looking for something and came across those. I love it when I find stuff I forgot about ;)
Not sure whether I'll run it full power, or hook it to the mobo, under smart control yet. I guess that depends on how noisy it is at full steam ;)
Wow! You're right russ. This fan should be virtually inaudible in the case. I plugged it into one of my appropriate 12V converters, and tested it. Its extremely quiet, and moves considerable air :D
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12. July 2010 @ 18:41 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Thanks again for the 70 x 70 x 15 Foxconn fan russ. I'll be trying that badboy out tonight :D
Thankfully, I just bought a couple of these badboys:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812201009
I don't have any other kind of adapter that would support a fans 4 pin. And I just discovered 3, 3 pin to molex adapters I forgot I had. I was rummaging around looking for something and came across those. I love it when I find stuff I forgot about ;)
Not sure whether I'll run it full power, or hook it to the mobo, under smart control yet. I guess that depends on how noisy it is at full steam ;)
Wow! You're right russ. This fan should be virtually inaudible in the case. I plugged it into one of my appropriate 12V converters, and tested it. Its extremely quiet, and moves considerable air :D
Oman7,
Glad you got it. It's truly amazing just how quiet and smooth that fan is, when you pull it off of the stock heatsink, and give the airflow room to expand. Hopefully it will work for you just as good as it does for me.
Beat Regards,
Russ
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13. July 2010 @ 11:50 |
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Well shut my mouth! I mentioned the other day that the Foxconn M61MPV 6100/N Force 430 motherboard would probably be the last run for the venerable nVidia 430 chipset, but looky here!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138180
It seems that BioStar is continuing the 430 yet again, with a socket AM3 6150/430/DDR3 motherboard. What do you get for your $50? Quite a lot, actually! 4 Sata 3.0GB/s ports, support for up to 8GB of DDR3 800/1066/1333 memory, support for 95w CPUs and a three year parts and two years labor warranty! Amazing!
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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13. July 2010 @ 13:03 |
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Looks like an agreeable board for the price! If I were building peoples PC's, I'd strongly consider that little gem ;)
I ended up working on something else last night, and didn't get to the fan modification. I'll be working on that shortly :D
Fan's in, no change. I think that my next step will be removing the blue shield, and thermal tape. Since Russ says it runs better that way. Perhaps that's the majority of the temperature change eh?
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13. July 2010 @ 13:40 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Looks like an agreeable board for the price! If I were building peoples PC's, I'd strongly consider that little gem ;)
I ended up working on something else last night, and didn't get to the fan modification. I'll be working on that shortly :D
Fan's in, no change. I think that my next step will be removing the blue shield, and thermal tape. Since Russ says it runs better that way. Perhaps that's the majority of the temperature change eh?
Oman7,
How hot is that NB heatsink to the touch? Mine was uncomfortably hot to the touch! You do have the open side of the fan blade pointing at the pump, with the frame side towards the video card, right? Maybe the MB has a bad temperature sensor, because it should have gone down some, given the breeze that fan makes, and my video card was still in the bottom slot. When I moved it back to the 16x slot, the temps were 34-36C. Maybe the removing blue shield will help. I took mine off before I installed the fan, so I don't know what it will do with it in place.
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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13. July 2010 @ 14:19 |
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Yes, the fan is in the right direction. I learned my lesson when installing the Arctic freezer LOL! It seems to average 37-39C on the NB/Mobo temp. I didn't touch it when I was in there, but I did feel warmth. The temperature WILL rise though, if I stress the system. Apparently this is the least of my worries though. My friggin Internet connection has been erratic for over a week now. I've power cycled my modem countless times, adjusted its power converter, dsl line, etc. It's become my belief that Qwest(my ISP), is screwing around on their end. I was watching a net meter last night, and the intermittent connections, appear to be at regular intervals. Interesting, eh? LOL!
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13. July 2010 @ 22:22 |
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37-39C is cold :P Even after installing a fan to blow across the NB it looks like my temps will be high 40's to low 50's (~15C drop).
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14. July 2010 @ 01:30 |
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yah, I'm not gonna worry about my NB temps. At least not this week. I'm gonna remove the thermal tape and blue cover this weekend, and see how that effects the temps.
Oh, and actually, I can hear the little 70mm fan. Ever so slightly LOL! Its like a kind of whining. But If I'm not thinking about it, no big deal ;)
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14. July 2010 @ 05:12 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
yah, I'm not gonna worry about my NB temps. At least not this week. I'm gonna remove the thermal tape and blue cover this weekend, and see how that effects the temps.
Oh, and actually, I can hear the little 70mm fan. Ever so slightly LOL! Its like a kind of whining. But If I'm not thinking about it, no big deal ;)
Oman7,
True you can hear it, but you have to listen hard to do it, and it's only because of the 3200 rpm frequency it makes that you even notice it. It would never attract your attention, though!
Try a little experiment the next time you fool around inside the case. Take a piece of shirt cardboard (Not Corrugated), and stick it behind the video card in front of the fanfold tthe cardboard at thr height of the top of the van, and hold in place with a little duct tape. That should firmly get air moving over the NB heatsink, and diret some towards the VRM cooler.
Russ
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14. July 2010 @ 08:47 |
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In my experience it's not the airflow that's usually lacking in VRM cooling, it's the hratsink size itself. I sometimes wish card manufacturers would pay more attention to this!
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14. July 2010 @ 18:11 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
In my experience it's not the airflow that's usually lacking in VRM cooling, it's the heatsink size itself. I sometimes wish card manufacturers would pay more attention to this!
Sam,
That's true in many cases, but the VRM heatsink is pretty substantial on Oman7's and my motherboard. Plus it's joined to the Northbridge heatsink by a single heatpipe. I'm going to order a couple of those Antec 40mm fans I like so much, and screw them right to the VRM heatsink.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835129036
Doing that should lower my motherboard temps to about 30-32C, and that should do the trick!
It's not the overclock settings either. From Stock to 3.8GHz, the temps only go up about 1C across the board. That is in spite of increasing the NB voltage to 1.30v, the CPU NB VID to 1.40v. I haven't been able to approach the heat wall with of CPU yet, and it's the most limiting factor in overclocking a Phenom IIx4. Once you hit that heat wall, nothing will allow you to go any higher, without spending a lot of money on Custom water cooling. The problem wasn't there with the Freezer 64 at the same settings, so I know that it has to be airflow. I just failed to take into account the loss of the Freezer 64's airflow to the NB and VRM heatsinks. I've solved the cooling problem with the Video card being in the 16x slot with the 70mm fan, so If I can get some air moving through the VRM's heatsink, it should be good!
Best Regards,
Russ
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