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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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bigwill68
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6. September 2010 @ 17:50 |
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For Real a Page Bug I know.I just posted from a reply to sam. I hit reply nothing showed up glad.I copy and pasted what. I wrote and hit the back arrow to get it.Lol
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6. September 2010 @ 18:19 |
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Corsair are indeed one of the latest to join the case race, but their designs are, as far as I can see, largely unique. The all-black interiors throughout is a nice touch, they have interesting cooling configs, and should be pretty quiet.
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to answer that first one expensive cases that's by name what your paying for Name not Quality that's like buying a Lexus and your really getting a Toyota you'll pay more for the lexus parts than the Toyota parts just because it has the name Lexus stamped on the outside and Toyota on the inside even on the windows even Scion got Toyota written on them these days. I thinks. I can just buy a toyota and just put the lexus emblems on it instead and save alittle money and in the same way you can do a computer case...
That's not true at all. Lexus, Scion and Toyota are the same company. You buy any of the three brands, it's built by Toyota.
This is the same as companies like Acase/Apevia/Aspire. This is not the same as Corsair, as Corsair do not produce cases under any other brand. The analogy is simply completely false.
Not having owned a premium case, perhaps you won't understand, but if you see a properly built case in the flesh like a Lian-Li or a Corsair, you'll realise just how cheaply made coolermaster cases are.
Corsair are a premium brand, throughout. They don't produce cheap tacky memory, they don't produce cheap tacky coolers, they don't produce cheap tacky PSUs, they don't produce cheap tacky cases. People looking for something cheap to get them buy don't buy from Corsair, that's not what the company's about. Remember how Corsair function at a company.
Corsair's lack of variety is because they haven't even been in the business a year yet, they've produced three good cases so far, they'll undoubtedly produce several more in the future.
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6. September 2010 @ 18:27 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
they'll undoubtedly produce several more in the future.
Yea at Lower prices They bein money hungry out the box Y create your first case at over $200 dollars and your 3rd at $159 alot of people my like the look but can't afford a cadillac for there first car my only gripe they started off wrong in case construction it should have been alot more mid towers built first and pricing lower what you telling me is you would spend over $200 for a Case for a full tower. That's Crazy Dude Go ahead Big Dollar. I wreather spend more for what's under the hood...That's what counts anyway!
and. I know Lexus,Scion and Toyota are the same but you pay more For the Lexus cause of the name Lexus is Toyota's Cadillac but did you know Ford brought Mazda and Jaguar? I think.i've been on this earth longer that you Sam by far...you may have me in the computer aspect but you won't have me in the car one...Lol I've been driving b4 you was born...Lol
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6. September 2010 @ 19:47 |
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I know the prices are higher but Corsair simply make a higher quality case, period. They are way better engineered and use better materials. Cooler Master is for sure a maker of good cases. I know I love my HAF :D It just so happens that Corsair is even better because their whole point is kick ass quality.
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6. September 2010 @ 19:54 |
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honestly will, you have to see the build quality of corsairs and lian-li's up close and personal. They are a spectacle, and i don't regret spending near £200 on mine (inc mods) as two years later and its still in use. Bar my ram and monitor, no other component has stayed. Yes for a while my brotther had the case, but that was due to semantics, or i would still have had it. Remember cases are nornally what survive 2-3 major upgrades, they can last years, so why not spend extra in the first place?
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6. September 2010 @ 20:25 |
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Well Will, that's unfortunate, but it's not really fair criticism. If you're just bawling about not being able to afford hardware you want I don't really have much sympathy, it's not going to be particularly easy for me this year, I don't even have a job.
Also Will, you won't have me at the car debate either. Ford have sold Jaguar to Tata of India.
My family work repairing cars and have done for more than 30 years. I know plenty about that area too. Sorry mate, you're not going to lord that one over me either.
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6. September 2010 @ 22:21 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
500GB drives really aren't very cost effective. In the UK at least the WD5001AALS drives are £45.63 each. I can buy a WD20EARS for £84.40, so I can just buy duplicates of each 2TB drive to have full redundancy, and still end up paying less than when using the 500GB drives without redundancy (£84.40 per terabyte versus £91.26)
Sam,
No, they aren't very cost effective, but they are more reliable it seems, than larger drives. And they do store about 100 DVD movies!
Even the "Enterprise Class" Western Digital RE4 WD2003FYYS 2TB drive that costs almost $300 currently shows about a 40% failure rate. The most reliable large drives at the moment seem to be manufactured by Samsung, the EcoGreen F2 HD103SI 1TB, and the EcoGreen F2 HD154UI 1.5TB! both have a much lower rate of failure than almost all the WDs do. Samsung's F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM drive seems to be far more reliable than anything from WD, with the exception of the WD Caviar Green WD10EADS 1TB drive. Judging by the reviews and the failure rates, either of these two drives would seem to be your best bet for long term mass storage. Based on the failure rates, I wouldn't recommend any 2TB drive at the moment. The largest I would consider buying would be the 1.5TB Samsung listed above.
Russ
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6. September 2010 @ 23:31 |
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While I don't like the reviews I'm seeing on the WD20EARS, I won't pass judgment. I don't know the people that submitted those reviews, nor their intelligence. You just can't tell about people online. Take me for example. You'd never guess what type of person I am. You won't...
I have to see this for myself, so I can put this to rest. 119.99 for a 2Tb drive is a steal. Newegg has been very good with how my drives are packaged. And Western digital has been very good about RMA'ing a bad V-Raptor. If the drive is DOA, or becomes defective, I have no doubt, that a replacement or refund will be quick to follow ;) I sincerely hope that WD is not turning out like Asus though. That would be a dark time in the PC world for sure :( If not WD, who the heck do we turn to? Me, I crawl into a hole and die LOL!
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7. September 2010 @ 03:25 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
While I don't like the reviews I'm seeing on the WD20EARS, I won't pass judgment. I don't know the people that submitted those reviews, nor their intelligence. You just can't tell about people online. Take me for example. You'd never guess what type of person I am. You won't...
I have to see this for myself, so I can put this to rest. 119.99 for a 2Tb drive is a steal. Newegg has been very good with how my drives are packaged. And Western digital has been very good about RMA'ing a bad V-Raptor. If the drive is DOA, or becomes defective, I have no doubt, that a replacement or refund will be quick to follow ;) I sincerely hope that WD is not turning out like Asus though. That would be a dark time in the PC world for sure :( If not WD, who the heck do we turn to? Me, I crawl into a hole and die LOL!
Oman7,
I think that DOA, or failed after a month are pretty self explanatory, so I don't think you have to know anything about the people reporting these failures. After all, DOA is not a technical term! It simply means that it was dead when the person got it! That plus the fact that most non enthusiasts don't buy 1 or 2 TB drives in the first place, so the knowledge level is usually fairly high to begin with!
I would choose any one of these! Since the Fals 1TB is back in stock, I will put that at the top of the list. Probably the best of the 4 listed, but not by that wide of a margin. Depending on price, I would probably opt for the FALS. Either that or the 1.5TB Sammy!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284
wd 1TB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136317
Samsung 1TB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185
Samsung 1.5TB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152175
While Newegg and WD have great RMA service, I would rather avoid any RMA at all, and not suffer the data loss!
At the present time if I was looking for a 2TB drive! It would be this samsung!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152202
With a decent enough (281) sampling, the RMA Rate is very low. The number of samples isn't always necessary to show a pattern. There's a WD there that only had 10 samples, yet 50% said that it was excellent, 10% said it was Average, but Poor and Very Poor accounted for 40% of the total! I would wait before buying to see if those numbers improved. At the present time, nothing comes close to the 2TB Sammy! 70% said it was excellent, 11% said it was good, 2% said it was poor, and 12% said it was very poor. I also noted that Samsung was very good at solving the problem the first time. I see that some other brands were replaced multiple times, which don't affect the numbers for the ratings, but I don't want to have to go through 3 drives, or even 2 to get a good one.
The bottom line is the Sammy costs $129.99, and with it's track record, if I was in the market for a 2TB drive, I would certainly give it a lot of consideration. If it was right now, I would probably buy one!
Best Regards,
Russ
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7. September 2010 @ 06:22 |
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Not really Russ, because the EARS drives use 4k sectors, so won't work the same way as normal drives. I'm willing to bet lots of the people that say they were DOA, they actually weren't, they just didn't understand how to use them.
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7. September 2010 @ 10:59 |
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High Standards , Mediocre Standards . What is the true meaning of this ?
Lower gauge metal , what! All cabinets seem to have the same basic internal features
Same abundance of add ons
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7. September 2010 @ 11:03 |
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If you've built systems using different cases, you'll notice the build quality differences in both the actual construction and the material.
The HAF 932 is made from relatively cheap material so the side panels actually bend considerably which causes you to have to hold them at both ends to attach them.
This material is also possible to bend with your fingers it's so soft, so when you put the case side back on, if you try and push on it when it's not quite aligned, you can easily buckle the bottom of the case where it hooks into the slot, and need to bend it back again with pliers - this has happened to me a few times. You don't see this with higher quality aluminium cases.
Also, stuff like the tool-less PCI brackets in a lot of coolermaster cases, I've broken those off a fair few times because they're so cheap and tacky.
In the cheapest of cases, the edges aren't filed down, so when you build a system you can easily cut yourself on the rough edges.
Contrastingly, with really high-end cases like expensive Lian-Lis, everything is smooth, strong and robust, you're hard pressed to damage anything in the case without considerable force.
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7. September 2010 @ 11:21 |
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When your building a Computer you actually handle with Kid Gloves , not like a Bull in a China Shop.
I actually keep an Emory board handy just to buff out rough edges
I can see a heavy gauge case if you move around a lot
But also I keep the original box that it came in which helps in moving
Myself I would choose the lesser expensive case, and emery out the rough edges, as far as cheap quick release just handle more delicately, without forceing. If by chance you break a few, theirs always a few screws laying around . Which turns out to be be no biggy
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7. September 2010 @ 11:41 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Not really Russ, because the EARS drives use 4k sectors, so won't work the same way as normal drives. I'm willing to bet lots of the people that say they were DOA, they actually weren't, they just didn't understand how to use them.
Exactly!
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7. September 2010 @ 11:41 |
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It's not a case of being heavy-handed Rick, it's a case of poor construction.
You should not need to break out Emery paper to finish the job of a case manufacturer either.
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7. September 2010 @ 12:01 |
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Qualiy today seems not to be the same as yester year
Sony, Pioneer, Teac, most mfgrs. etc. now a days just seem to be name brands. Where as they used to stand for Quiality
Prices are still up, but not Quality
So if you find something with the same features at a lower price I recommend you go with it. Even if it has a few flaws as you've mentioned
JUST MY OPINION
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7. September 2010 @ 12:07 |
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You're opinion and you're entitled to it, and I agree with you. However, the same applies to all ends of the market. What once was a very high quality brand is now an average quality brand, but what once was an average quality brand is now a poor quality brand. It's still worth paying the extra, you just can't get properly built stuff any more.
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rick5446
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7. September 2010 @ 12:11 |
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Dis agree . Today it's the DOLLAR VALUE
The best you can get for the dollar you afford
Even though tine is money, it's not out of POCKET
SO SOME TIMES IT PAYS TO SPEND $20.00 IN TIME TO SAVE $5.00 CASH LAYOUT
Most of the time I'll spend the Xtra buck , But I rarely by top line, mostly middle line
Mother Boards, Memory, PSU , definetly the better. But by reviews, not cost.
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7. September 2010 @ 12:15 |
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Originally posted by rick5446:
The best you can get for the dollar you afford
So if you can afford a better quality case, you would buy one... That's my point.
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7. September 2010 @ 12:25 |
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Only if the reviews were Extremely higher
If by comparison a less expensive case offer the same I would buy the lesser. even with certain flaws. I rarely move my units, I dust around and under every 5 years whether they need it or not. Blow them out on the inside once a month, with a Cpmpressor
Off topic one of my DVD Writers suddenly quit Writing or recognizing Blanks. Reads dedicated and writable Disc. Also plays them... LITE-ON DVD RW AD 7200S
Any suggestions
I already tried re flashing
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7. September 2010 @ 12:51 |
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Lite-on 7200S? The 7200S is an optiarc :S
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7. September 2010 @ 12:52 |
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omegaman7 : And your solution being what
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7. September 2010 @ 13:02 |
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In my opinion, faulty writers/readers should be replaced. I happen to like my 7241S and 7261S. Keep in mind they work best at higher than typical speeds though. 12X and up.
Shame your 7200S is acting up. Mine is one of my more favored drives. It reads really well..
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7. September 2010 @ 13:03 |
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7. September 2010 @ 13:04 |
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Yeah the AD-7200S is a Sony/NEC Optiarc drive, not a LiteOn.
If it's broken, replace it. Pretty simple really
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