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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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7. August 2008 @ 21:23 |
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Does he really need to spend so much on a Mobo? With Nehalem coming out at the end of October.
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7. August 2008 @ 21:33 |
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abuzar.
first. yes were good.
second. it will be a couple years i know for sure before i think of a Nehalem build.. just to costly and the fact with my luck i will get the experiment parts..lol
im gonna get a P45 board for sure. if not here in a couple weeks for my b-day christmas for sure no questions asked. so when i do that. i might also get me the E8600 too.(that at christmas time though)
the rampage fromula is only $30 more than the P5Q Premium im looking at. so in anothe 4 months it will be down(i think)
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7. August 2008 @ 21:36 |
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Well if you're in for a new CPU I would recommend a Q9450. I personally think it's better value.
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7. August 2008 @ 21:40 |
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for what i do i dont know if a quad would benefit me or not? i dont have any programs that can use 4 core.. well none that i know of...
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7. August 2008 @ 22:22 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
for what i do i dont know if a quad would benefit me or not? i dont have any programs that can use 4 core.. well none that i know of...
DVD Rebuilder uses ALL four cores Robert, and it does make a difference. I agree the quad-core is the way to go i mean 12MB L2 Cache how can you go wrong man!
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7. August 2008 @ 22:28 |
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lol i'll just have to see how much the Q9550 is in 3-4 months i feel some twisting of the arm ;)
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7. August 2008 @ 22:32 |
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Either that or the Q9450. Those P45s overclock awfully well lol.
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7. August 2008 @ 22:44 |
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ive been reading alot about the p45 chipsets. they are a overclockers dream.
isnt the 4/8pin plugin from the PSU for the CPU? if you have a 8pin plugin on your board should you use all 8 pins? provides more power to the cpu? if this is true and my thinking is right. my board only has the 4 pin plugin(psu has 8pin plug4+4) could that contribute to the fact that my cpu isnt getting enough power and is running warm cause of it?????? just a theroy???
heres my board with only the 4 pin plugin
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Enlarge_im...ctCode=10007760
heres the P45-DS3R
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Enlarge_im...ctCode=10008670
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7. August 2008 @ 22:54 |
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RedRob,
P45 mobo or "better". lol. ;)
Here's the response from the Danamics rep. ;)
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Thank you for your e-mail and your interest in Danamics. Currently we are setting up resellers. As we have more news about availability and pricing I will be happy to let you know. Also you are more than welcome to sign up to our newsletter, where we will send out this information first hand to our subscribers.
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Well is seems that we don't know yet. ;) I'll be curious to know when it's released but I haven't signed up for the news letter yet. ;)
@mrk44,
I would go ahead with the TRU(E) or something similar. ;) Good luck with your choices. :D
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7. August 2008 @ 22:56 |
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If it has 8pin power adapter then use it. According to Russ, it will work with 4pins, but it's recommended to use 8.
GM, nothing better(currently) than P45 or OCing.
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7. August 2008 @ 23:01 |
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just found out some info about my board...on the 1.0 and 2.0 revisons on the board it doesnt say 45hm supported. but on the 2.1revision i sent back and asked for the 2.0 in replacement(when it was my shitty mem causeing the problem) it says support for the 45nm cpu's...
but, Russ you might wanna know this.. there is a new release bios.yes F12. i just went to gigabytes site and it is official the F12 bios was released 7-10-2008.... now why in the hell didnt the gigabyte guy tell me that earlier? he said it was still beta testing..
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/Mothe...?ProductID=2626
@Russ
with these revisions we have. is the only difference in them the bios it came with???
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7. August 2008 @ 23:04 |
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All these revisions dont have big changes. I think your board should be good. Considering you are ALREADY running a 45nm CPU(you aren't still haveing problems are you?).
Why not try the new BIOS? You can always revert to the old one.
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7. August 2008 @ 23:06 |
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yea its running, and running great.. its just my temps that are high.the intel guy told me today that they are high but are well within the cpu standards.
and if not tonight when i get home then first thing in the morning i will be going to F12 bios... then again it only states it is for suport of the new E0 stepping(which is what i want)lol greedy aint i?
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7. August 2008 @ 23:06 |
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cincyrob,
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i do know on the EP35C-DS3R it is stamped 45nm compatible(something like that)
and on my board I dont think it has that stamped on it.
What revision is your MB? Mine is a Rev. 2.0 and runs both a Q9450 at 3.6 or an E8400 at 3.8 just fine. Both have been tested in mine! All three Revisions, 1.0, 2.0 & 2.1 are supposed to run the 45nm CPUs. All I can vouch for is the Rev. 2.0!
rick5446,
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Here I am again !! New problem ! I'M really dreading what your going to tell me..OK, my DVD RW IS WORKING GREAT..But now my Computer cuts off every 5 to 10 mins, sometimes it reboots sometimes it cuts right off. Now like an ASS I did hook up the power line to the DVD RW while the Comp was on, it arced and cut off the Comp. Now I've got this problem all the time..Does this sound like I may have weakened the PSU
I doubt that it's the PSU! More than likely something on the MB. You may have spiked the board! Especially since the drive runs OK! The drive seems to have survived, and the PSU can handle that load easily unless it's underpowered, so my guess is something damaged on the MB!
I have to ask! What ever possessed you to plug in the power line while it was running? Reminds me of when I tried to stop a friend's son from swapping the video card while the computer was running. He insisted all his friends did it! When the inevitable smoke cloud belched out of his father's brand new video card, I told him "all his friends" owed his dad a new video card! LOL!! I just looked at him and said, "they lied"!
Best Regards,
Russ
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7. August 2008 @ 23:11 |
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wait he plugged it in while the power was on.....
101 rookie mistake :(
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7. August 2008 @ 23:12 |
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mine is just like yours Russ.
2.0v now..i requested it when i did my RMA...lol
what were the temps when you had those 45nm in there? do you remember??? i know i sound like im makeing a big deal out of my temps but there has to be a reason why they are this high 49-53c at idle NO NO NO i dont like that, even though they are within standards...maybe i just need to get that top notch cooler a try..
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7. August 2008 @ 23:13 |
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Changing video cards in a RUNNING computer? WOW. Not too smart.
I gotta try that one day!
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sytyguy
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7. August 2008 @ 23:35 |
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Originally posted by ZoSoIV:
Originally posted by cincyrob:
for what i do i dont know if a quad would benefit me or not? i dont have any programs that can use 4 core.. well none that i know of...
DVD Rebuilder uses ALL four cores Robert, and it does make a difference. I agree the quad-core is the way to go i mean 12MB L2 Cache how can you go wrong man!
I thought Soph mentioned that it did not use all 4 cores, but threaded them, and IIRC Jdobbs said the same.
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8. August 2008 @ 00:07 |
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Originally posted by sytyguy:
Originally posted by ZoSoIV:
Originally posted by cincyrob:
for what i do i dont know if a quad would benefit me or not? i dont have any programs that can use 4 core.. well none that i know of...
DVD Rebuilder uses ALL four cores Robert, and it does make a difference. I agree the quad-core is the way to go i mean 12MB L2 Cache how can you go wrong man!
I thought Soph mentioned that it did not use all 4 cores, but threaded them, and IIRC Jdobbs said the same.
CCE can only utilize 2 cores but HC encoder by hanks can utilize 4 cores. either app, as well as a few other encoders can be used with DVD Rebuilder. whichever you prefer.
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8. August 2008 @ 03:04 |
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Mort: Just wondering, where did you buy your TRUE pre-lapped? The only place I found was CrazyPC and I wanted to know if there are any better places to get one from.
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8. August 2008 @ 05:31 |
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cincyrob,
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what were the temps when you had those 45nm in there? do you remember??? i know i sound like im makeing a big deal out of my temps but there has to be a reason why they are this high 49-53c at idle NO NO NO i dont like that, even though they are within standards...maybe i just need to get that top notch cooler a try..
I've spent the last hour or so hunting the net for problems like yours, and I've only found a few. Most have no temp problems at all, and all the ones that did were using the stock Intel cooler! Most were claiming very low temps for both chips!
Mine idled at 28-30C using the E8400, with load temps running Prime95 in the mid to high 50s (55-58C). The Q9450 idled maybe a degee lower and saw 57C running Prime95. I really don't remember, but that's what my notes say! To my Mind's Eye, that says a lot for my case ventilation as I expected to see higher temps with a F7-Pro!
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Robert have you considered a Asus Rampage? no heat problems with it
With all due respect, what does getting an Asus Rampage have to do with solving Rob's problem? Especially when the scuttlebutt on the net say's cooling isn't a problem with his DS3R MB with either the E8400 or the Q9450! It's known as a very cool running MB! I don't see dishing out $259 or $269 for a new motherboard as the answer to the problem! Rob could just as well go out and buy a GigaByte GA-EP45-DQ6 for $10 to $20 less and accomplish the same thing, but he'll still have the now useless MB. I'm sure he can get an exchange, but I doubt if he can get a refund!
All I'm saying is that "we" are here primarily to help people who want to know about building computers, or need help with their build! Rob has a known good motherboard for overclocking, and I think we can help him solve his problems. A new "any brand" motherboard, doesn't do that, it just adds to his expense. What happens if Rob does cave in and buy the Rampage Formula only to find out that he has the same problem. I just think we need to take a good look at things as they are before he opens his wallet!
Respectfully,
Russ
P.S.
What Rob should be doing is exploring the differences between his and Will's build. Case ventilation differences, and maybe Try his CPU Cooler and CPU on Will's MB. I'm down to the CPU cooler being Duff, or the case ventilation being inadequate! Case ventilation is rapidly becoming almost as dark an art as refining memory settings! And every damn time you add something internally, all those carefully chosen fan settings go right out the window!
Rob my friend, you need to visualize where all those fans are pointing and what direction they are moving air. Visualize where any intake fan, especially side fans are pointing! The real trick is to try and get the airflow from front to back as evenly as possible. If you have a fan blowing in where most cases have them mounted, it interferes with the air going through the CPU Cooler! Truthfully, it's a holdover from the socket 340 and 478 days when CPUs weren't so powerful and you didn't need that much cooling. It made sense! Intake fan blowing directly into the sideways CPU Cooler! I have something I'm working on right now that will effectively deal with the 90 degree cross-flow air problem with side fans. It will also give un-paralleled control of your case airflow and cooling! No joke, this thing is going to make me a very well off man!
Russ
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8. August 2008 @ 06:56 |
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I still can't grasp how a motherboard purely on its own could raise the temperature of a CPU, it's either creating extra load somehow, which would show in the task manager, or automatically giving it too high a voltage. If that's the case, it would explain it.
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8. August 2008 @ 08:34 |
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well i now have bios F12 running. no change in anything i can notice.
as for my fans. i have had them in every thinkable positions. right now i have
the front and rear fans set as intake and exhaust like normal.
2 140mm fans set as exhaust on the top of the case.
a 120mm fan on the bottom of the case in front of the PSU set as intake
a 120mm on the side panel, lower section toward the front blowing in right in front of/over top the bottom fan.
i have had them all in every thinkable way,no change in temps.
only thing i can think of is take them all out,turn off and leave only the front and rear fans running and see what that does.
my ambient room temp right now is 71f
my mobo is 37c
CPU 30c
cores 1 & 2 both are 50c
i had this thing at my work a couple days ago. and in a air conditioned room about 68f and the temps were the same. maybe 49c on both cores.
i had my CPU in Will's old clear case that had next to no ventilation
temps were cooler but i don't remember by how much its been awhile since we did it.
he now has the CM590 which is identical to my CM690.
there is plenty air circulation in these cases. no doubt.
when i had it at work the other day you could feel that air being sucked out of the top of the case, and it was cold air being sucked out. so i know it is cool inside there. right now i can feel cold air being sucked out the top.
i have had 2 coolers on here and no change in temps either.
the CM hyper tx2 and the Arctic cooler freezer 7 pro. the newly lapped CM is on it now. the temps may have dropped 2-3c with the lapped cooler. Guees i will try the ACF7 again.
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8. August 2008 @ 08:37 |
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Rob - my CPU temp is 40ºC and my core temps are 51 and 52. You're worried about what exactly?
We've already been over the fact that core temps aren't a sure-fire method of measuring how hot a CPU is, especially for the 45nm ones. If you're not getting any stability problems, and your main CPU temp is less than the low 50s, you're fine.
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8. August 2008 @ 09:06 |
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the temps are within standards, but compared to other E8400's they are 15-20c higher(cores that is) the cpu temp is fine. it bounces around 28-32c at idle.
and i dont have any stability problems.. im running at 3.6ghz perfectly. heck i gan get it to run at 3.82ghz perfectly as well but the temps climb even more.. heres what i dont understand.
starting from stock speed 3.0ghz up to 3.6ghz my temps dont change. the vcore dont change. well maybe .01-.02v. i have the voltage still set at auto to run 3.6ghz. but when i go higher i do have to add a little vcore it wont stay stable in auto setting.
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