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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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Any Flaming Results in a Temp Ban or Worse. Your Choice!!!
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AfterDawn Addict
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8. August 2008 @ 09:09 |
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What's strange about that? (Don't mean to sound rude)
At stock speed, CPUs are stable at a lower voltage than they're given for overhead reasons, in case you have a dodgy power feed etc, or to avoid risks of RMAs, so you can therefore clock them higher before you need any more than the normal VCore. Once they're more than a certain speed above stock, they will suddenly require increasing voltages to go further.
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8. August 2008 @ 09:22 |
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not that its strange, i think its great it will run in auto and not require more volts to get where I'm at. i would just think a higher clock speed would put more strain on it and cause more heat. but the temps are the same from 3.0-3.6ghz
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8. August 2008 @ 09:23 |
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For the same voltage they should be, that's what really causes the big temp rises.
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8. August 2008 @ 09:42 |
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kinda thought that, but still higher speed still would think useing the cpu more???
right now im encoding a movie. temps are up 60-61c
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8. August 2008 @ 09:49 |
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Not sure really, it's still the same electronics running off the same amount of power, they're just doing more with the amount of power you give them...
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8. August 2008 @ 09:50 |
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RedRob,
Try taking out or turning off the "bottom" fan. ;) See what that does if you haven't already. Did you get your SATA connections figured out? If NOT then what are you or better yet what is GB gonna do about it??? That is my concern right now.... It seems that you have another issue with the mobo other than a "heat or temp" problem. These ISSUES are NOT phantom ones guys, he's been talking to me and with the respective companies for some time and it seems that he has a LEMON for a mobo. It happens and sometimes there is NO other solution than to replace it with the same product or go with another company. :P
Just so you know Rob... the EGG has the ASUS P5Q Pro on sale for $119.99 w/ FREE shipping me thinks. ;) Of course you need the EGG's news letter for the promo code. ;)
Some choices for the RedRob.... linky to P45 mobos - cheaper ones
...gm
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8. August 2008 @ 09:56 |
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GM
im not sure with the sata plugins yet. since ive moved them around and then back to the same spots im not haven any trouble. so i dont know if it just a loose cable or if it is the slots themselves.
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8. August 2008 @ 11:57 |
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Originally posted by mrk44:
Mort: Just wondering, where did you buy your TRUE pre-lapped? The only place I found was CrazyPC and I wanted to know if there are any better places to get one from.
that's the same place I got mine.
Rig #1 Asus Rampage Formula Mobo, Intel Core2Quad Q9450 CPU @ 3.55ghz, 2gb Corsair DDR2 1066 Dominator Ram @ 5-5-5-15, TR Ultra 120 Extreme w/ Scythe 9 blade 110 cfm 120mm Fan HSF, HIS Radeon 512mb HD3850 IceQ TurboX GPU, Corsair 620HX P/S, CM Stacker 830 Evo Case, Rig #2 Asus P5W DH Deluxe Mobo, Intel C2D E6600 CPU @ 3.6ghz, 2gb Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 Ram @ 4-4-4-12-2t, Zalman CNPS9500LED HSF, Sapphire Radeon X850XT PE GPU, Corsair 620HX P/S, Cooler Master Mystique Case, Viewsonic 20.1" Widescreen Digital LCD Monitor, Klipsch Promedia Ultra 5.1 THX Desktop Speakers, http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=348351 http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=236435 |
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proxyRAX
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8. August 2008 @ 14:20 |
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I am starting to second guess my decision to get a q9450 for my rig. I am thinking of getting an e8400 or something and riding it out with that for now until nehalem comes, but I would really like some opinions. I don't do any 3D rendering or large image editing, but I do need it for gaming, so I am deciding if it is actually worth the price hop of $160. I've always thought that uad was definitely worth investing in, the nehalem announcement really got me thinking whether I should just stick with Core 2 Duo for now and upgrade to Quad once it gets cheaper and prices drop a bit.
Pretty convincing stuff...
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000942.html
Although, it looks a bit strange. I thought SupCom had multithreaded support, yet their graphs show no increase in the turnout. Strange.
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8. August 2008 @ 14:42 |
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Supcom's multithread support is horrible, yet it doesn't work at all without one, it's a rather silly game. That only applies to the expansion though, the original game works alright.
As for a gaming PC, if you're willing to change your board, RAM and CPU when Nehalem arrives then get a dual core for now, games don't use quads, that's the sum of the matter. If you want a PC that can still be considered powerful a couple of years down the line though, quad it is.
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8. August 2008 @ 14:50 |
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some people said you should'en go with the ga-ep35c-ds3r board cause of ddr3 memory prices..well that memory price is dropping now..true i've had my problems with the board that's only cause of the Rev's 1.0 was garbage 2.0 was ok accepted idle floppy did'nt work..now..I done had 2 versions of the 2.1..the first ran great until the test of RedRob's Crucial Ballistix 1066 memory messed it up some how that memory was garbage..now with this new 2.1 flawless to me. I have had luck so far bring the E6750 stable to 3.6Ghz running cool at 34c idle but turned it back down sense..but..i believe with corsair 1066..i can get it over 4Ghz if..I want but what's the point?..all in all..I went with my choice and setup and it worked out well.but thanks to the guys with insight and advice..now for my lastest temps..i dropped my cpu volts down last nite and dropped in temps also by 7 degress from 1.4v to 1.3v at idle..
I'm staying at 3.0Ghz..
nexts build will be Asus for sure done Gigabyte already done and the box holding the parts will be much bigger and Water Cooled..
Done out of Here!
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proxyRAX
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8. August 2008 @ 14:52 |
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Upgrading to nehalem seems crazy to me right now. Lol. Too much change.
If I go C2D right now, I'll upgrade to C2Q when the prices for it go down. Nehalem is out of reach and regardless I want to build my rig now. If I want to upgrade to it, like you said, I'd have to replace almost everything. I was just thinking of keeping all of the parts and going for a C2D and then just replacing the processor a little way down the line for a quad.
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8. August 2008 @ 15:00 |
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A solid plan. I'm running 775 now obviously, and have been eyeing up an upgrade to quad for considerable time, but everytime I look at it, I just can't justify the cost. Right now a quad core's only advantages for me will be higher 3dmarks and faster winrar times, that's it. 3dmark is purely for bragging rights, and i don't use winrar for anything big very often, so what has £110 got me?
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proxyRAX
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8. August 2008 @ 15:08 |
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Yea, that is what I was thinking. Quad is nice to look at, but I feel like if I buy it I'll be disappointed. Better to wait and get it later. Ok, thanks for the input. I am more sure now. Gotta rework my ordering list.
You see, I am deciding where to order the parts and I have spent about 4 hours separating them between Tiger, Egg, and NCIX. Lol...gotta check everything over again. Saving about $500 compared to purchasing all of it from Egg though. Stupid NY taxes are killing me there.
EDIT: BTW, E8500 or E8400? the price difference is like $20...
EDIT2: $20 price difference from newegg. Tiger did not update prices so the difference there is $110. o.o
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8. August 2008 @ 15:11 |
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LGA1366 is where it's at.
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8. August 2008 @ 15:23 |
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E8500 or Q6600.
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8. August 2008 @ 15:29 |
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bigwill68,
You might consider these settings. Even if you don't you need to set the memory multiplier to 2.5, as right now your memory is only running at 750MHz. With the same settings you are set at now, it would raise the memory speed to 937.5MHz. Check out how I have mine set at 3.552GHz!
CPUZ 1
CPUZ 2
With the bus speed set to 444MHz and the memory multiplier at 2.4, it runs the memory at a perfect 1066MHz.
Here's my Sandra results at that speed.
Mind you, that's with a processor that's been hurt a bit and will need replacing soon. Even if you don't use my settings, you still need to set your memory multi higher. At your current speed 2.5 is as high as you can go. the 3.0 multi puts the speed at 1125MHz and it may or may not run at that speed. Remember 1066 memory is still only 800MHz memory highly binned and overclocked 266MHz, so they don't overclock very well!
abuzar1,
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LGA1366 is where it's at.
Man, you are a front runner! Suppose Nehalem turns out to be a dud? I would reserve judgment until we can see what Nehalem can do first, thank you!
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E8500 or Q6600.
Between the E8400 and the E8500, the E8400 is the better chip. The E8500 can't run with the E8400 when it comes to overclocking, so why even consider the E8500?!
With the Q6600, you have to be careful which one you buy. The Box processor, SL9UM has the older B3 stepping while the OEM is the SLACR version which has G0 stepping, runs cooler and overclocks better.
Best Regards,
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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8. August 2008 @ 15:49 |
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E8500 then, if it's only $20 more.
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8. August 2008 @ 15:54 |
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sammorris,
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E8500 then, if it's only $20 more.
Read my edit to abuzar above. The E8400 is the better chip. You can't OC the E8500 as high!
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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8. August 2008 @ 15:56 |
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Fair enough. A bit like the E6300 vs E6400 then?
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proxyRAX
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8. August 2008 @ 15:56 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Between the E8400 and the E8500, the E8400 is the better chip. The E8500 can't run with the E8400 when it comes to overclocking, so why even consider the E8500?!
May I ask where you got this info?
The only difference between them is that the E8500 has a 9.5x as opposed to the E8400's 9x. Therefore, it will OC better. The rest is exactly the same...
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8. August 2008 @ 15:59 |
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Not necessarily the case, it has been known that some faster clocked chips don't clock as well as the others. Of course, usually it's meaningless because they work out at a very similar speed, but nonetheless, buying a faster CPU intending to overclock further isn't always the best bet.
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8. August 2008 @ 15:59 |
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Probably the binning on the older E8400s is better.
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8. August 2008 @ 16:12 |
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proxyRAX,
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May I ask where you got this info?
It's simple! Many have gotten 4.0GHz with the E8400 while the E8500 struggles above 3.6GHz according to what I read in various overclocking forums! The same thing applies with the E6750 and the E6850, the E6750 is the better chip as it overclocks higher!
Best Regards,
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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proxyRAX
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8. August 2008 @ 16:13 |
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I am not looking to do liquid nitrogen cooling with an OC to 5. Either way, it looks like the difference is small enough to change from batch to batch.
EDIT: You sure about that? Lemme go look it up. I'll get back to you. =]
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The results I see are about the same, but the people that say E8400 normally do not say "it OCs better" they usually go with "it is worth less" and the prices went down a lot. Hm. I guess either one is fine, and in the interest on saving my $20 I'll probably go with E8400 unless I find a convincing argument somewhere.
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