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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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8. August 2008 @ 16:23 |
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proxyRAX,
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I am not looking to do liquid nitrogen cooling with an OC to 5. Either way, it looks like the difference is small enough to change from batch to batch.
Very true! A lot depends on what you wind up getting. I've been lucky a couple of times and got a couple of real good overclockers. I wasn't as lucky with my E6750. Maybe when I RMA it, I will get a better chip! I'm going to wait for a while and see what happens to the prices after Nehalem comes out. The prices should be coming down a good bit. I'm hoping for a sub $200 Q9450!
Best Regards,
Russ
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8. August 2008 @ 18:21 |
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Originally posted by proxyRAX:
I am not looking to do liquid nitrogen cooling with an OC to 5. Either way, it looks like the difference is small enough to change from batch to batch.
EDIT: You sure about that? Lemme go look it up. I'll get back to you. =]
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The results I see are about the same, but the people that say E8400 normally do not say "it OCs better" they usually go with "it is worth less" and the prices went down a lot. Hm. I guess either one is fine, and in the interest on saving my $20 I'll probably go with E8400 unless I find a convincing argument somewhere.
i can speak on the E8400 from first hand expereince. it is a awsome chip i think. ive had mine OC'd to 4.1ghz orthos,occt,sandra,prime95 stable. im running it now at 3.6ghz with auto settings. 3.6 is the sweet spot for it i think.
compared to the E8500 which is hard to get stable at 3.6 to me its not worth the extra cost. even $20.
now let me throw anothe CPU at you. august 10th the E8600 is comeing out. it is supose to run circles around the E8400. 3.33ghz stock. and testers say 4.2ghz is easly gotten with a small amount of vcore increase..id say the E0 stepping is the cause of that. but the price on the E8600 is to be around $266. 100 buck more than the E8400 right now.
just a extra thought..lol
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8. August 2008 @ 18:23 |
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Not much more mhz for your money, I'd stick with the 8400 myself, it's proven.
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8. August 2008 @ 18:23 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
I'm going to wait for a while and see what happens to the prices after Nehalem comes out. The prices should be coming down a good bit. I'm hoping for a sub $200 Q9450!
Best Regards,
Russ
ive been told from a friend at microcenter their Q9450's should drop down to $220 once Nehalem comes out. so it has me considering also...lol
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8. August 2008 @ 18:24 |
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Oooh... :P
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8. August 2008 @ 18:29 |
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8. August 2008 @ 18:31 |
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Lemme add a completely unbiased and unprofessional opinion to the mix. ROFL... ;)
I would get the E8400 for several reasons but the most obvious 2 are PRICE and NEED!! It's the cheapest (least expensive) chip of the ones that are mentioned AND you don't NEED a Quad atm. The decision seems simple at that point in the process. You take it as you want to but I'd just BUY the E8400 and be done with it!!
NOW in 6-12 months when the Q9450 comes down in price, WAY down, you might consider and upgrade to that cpu but make sure you need it. LOL. I have a Q6600 and E6850 and my NEEDS would be satisfied with an E6550.... ROFL.... It's NOT what I needed at the time it was what I found at the time and what MONEY I had at the time when buying. :)
btw the E6850 OC's fairly well but I'm unwilling to pass 1.45v (vcore) to really see what it'll do. I need the PC it's currently in and I don't want to fight with Intel on an RMA if the GM screws up. hehehe. :P
ok.... my 2¢ are over.... ;)
continue on.......
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8. August 2008 @ 18:35 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
lol
here is what microcenter charges now for it.
http://microcenter.com/single_product_re...duct_id=0287628
not bad at all
Mr. RedRob if you post something like that again I'll be forced to question our friendship!!!!!! That's what I paid for my E6850.... <crying sobbing sounds> lol....
Seems as tho MicroCenter likes to be competitive at times. ;) I'll keep them under closer watch from now on.... ;) I think they charge me TAX tho... buggers!!!
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8. August 2008 @ 18:36 |
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It's half what I paid for my X2 4200+ you're having for 50 dollars mate!
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8. August 2008 @ 18:40 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
It's half what I paid for my X2 4200+ you're having for 50 dollars mate!
Aye and a good wee lad you are!!! :D btw we'll work that out this weekend. :) Thanks again mate!!!! :D
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8. August 2008 @ 18:44 |
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Originally posted by greensman:
Originally posted by cincyrob:
lol
here is what microcenter charges now for it.
http://microcenter.com/single_product_re...duct_id=0287628
not bad at all
Mr. RedRob if you post something like that again I'll be forced to question our friendship!!!!!! That's what I paid for my E6850.... <crying sobbing sounds> lol....
Seems as tho MicroCenter likes to be competitive at times. ;) I'll keep them under closer watch from now on.... ;) I think they charge me TAX tho... buggers!!!
....gm
ROTFLMFAO
YEA they charge tax and prob shipping to ship to the other side of texas..lol
the guys at microcenter have told me they have someone that searches all the online sites for prices on CPU's they get the lowest price and beat it by 10%(normaly) when the E8400 first came out they was like in the 200-220 price range. i got mine for 189. on the rim and out the door..lol
i will say they have great prices on part like this. even MOBO's they are cheaper there but they only have slim pickin's of board models....
plus they have good sales on DVDR's to burn in our wonderful burners...lmao
i wont leave you GPU guys out...
i havent looked closely but ive heard from others they do the same thing on the GPU's as the CPU's. i look and see if they have any of the HD-4850/4870's on hand and there prices...
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ok i found these few here real fast... now bare with me i know nothing about them and dont know if these are good prices or good manufactures. just something i found.
http://microcenter.com/single_product_re...duct_id=0292287
http://microcenter.com/single_product_re...duct_id=0291712
http://microcenter.com/single_product_re...duct_id=0291847
try these..sorry
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8. August 2008 @ 19:26 |
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Here's a question for you Nehalem folks.. a few of of you are saying a Quad isn't relevant for your uses/needs. Plus there's not much in the way of software that's multi-core capable. So... (and bearing in mind i know zip about Nehalem other than i just googled and it seems there'll be a whopping 8 cores i think)... a fair few of you are wanting Nehalem.
..so my question is what software will have changed by then that will make you guys that can't justify a Quad now, to want Nehalem when it's released ?. (also bear in mind i don't ever read up on future Windows versions or future Directx etc etc etc.
edit- The only thing i can think of that would make me personallyfind a Quad wanting, is if ever i bother ripping/encoding Bluray stuff.
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8. August 2008 @ 19:35 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
Here's a question for you Nehalem folks.. a few of of you are saying a Quad isn't relevant for your uses/needs. Plus there's not much in the way of software that's multi-core capable. So... (and bearing in mind i know zip about Nehalem other than i just googled and it seems there'll be a whopping 8 cores i think)... a fair few of you are wanting Nehalem.
..so my question is what software will have changed by then that will make you guys that can't justify a Quad now, to want Nehalem when it's released ?. (also bear in mind i don't ever read up on future Windows versions or future Directx etc etc etc.
edit- The only thing i can think of that would make me personallyfind a Quad wanting, is if ever i bother ripping/encoding Bluray stuff.
from what i know and isnt much about the Nehalems you have hit the nail on the head perfectly. until there is more software,programs,games ect. i dont see the need myself. like you and i think Soph has said it. that encodeing of blueray is about the best thing it can be used for as of now.
but look at it this way. kinda like a muscle car "wow i have 425hp"...lol
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8. August 2008 @ 19:35 |
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It's four cores with Hyperthreading so it looks like 8 cores.
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8. August 2008 @ 19:37 |
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Nothing, I'll probably buy a 775 quad when Nehalem is released...
Rob: I can't get your link to work...
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8. August 2008 @ 19:39 |
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greensman,
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btw the E6850 OC's fairly well but I'm unwilling to pass 1.45v (vcore) to really see what it'll do.
Why? You're not violating the warranty! 1.5v is still within the voltage range Intel lists for it. That is unless heat is an issue! Mine's at 1.49v as reported in the bios PC Health and Everest, raised from 1.46v for stability. It would just shut down maybe once a day. No change in the bios settings, but just like hitting the reset button. The additional .03v is all it needed for complete stability at 3.6GHz. I run it at 3.552GHz so the memory runs right at 1066 with the 2.4 multiplier (444x2.4=1066)! I have no desire to try and overclock memory that is already overclocked 266MGz to begin with! If it was an E8400, it would be different, as the voltage range is much lower (1.3625v tops).
Best Regards,
Russ
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8. August 2008 @ 20:00 |
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Russ I'm at 1.425v right now and completely stable at 3.6GHz. ;) I guess I could go higher but again I don't see the need. lol. I don't have heat issues per se. ;) I thought the 8800GTS was running a bit warm until I did a LITTLE research and was re-assured by the GPU BOYS that it was running well within tolerances. :)
Anyway running it any higher seems silly unless doing benchies on air. ;) imo anyway. :P
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8. August 2008 @ 20:06 |
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try them now Sam.
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8. August 2008 @ 20:08 |
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Quite good, I think newegg still has them cheaper than that though.
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8. August 2008 @ 20:40 |
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8. August 2008 @ 23:01 |
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This one interests me but I'm getting way ahead of myself. :) ASUS EAH4850 I know it's Open Box but it's less than $150 delivered!! :D
I'll add this too.... I prefer a "2 slot" GPU on the "hotter" units because of obvious reasons.... :) Heat escape!!!
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8. August 2008 @ 23:10 |
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greensman,
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I'll add this too.... I prefer a "2 slot" GPU on the "hotter" units because of obvious reasons.... :) Heat escape!!!
That's why I'm looking at the MSI! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127370
The card is double slot wide with the cooler so I would leave the slot in the case next to it open so cool air from the open slot will blow over the cooler. One of the side benefits of Negative case Pressure! I know from the reviews that I've read on this card that it runs much cooler than all of the others!
Russ
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8. August 2008 @ 23:12 |
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Still no air going out of the case :(
I got my X3320 to 3Ghz at 1.25v.
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8. August 2008 @ 23:20 |
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YEAH!!!! Just checked my email and Trinity from ASUS has issued an RMA for my Striker Extreme mobo!!! /me is HAPPY!! I'll box it up this weekend after reading the return instructions very carefully!! :)
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8. August 2008 @ 23:31 |
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abuzar1,
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Still no air going out of the case :(
Oh ye of little faith! LOL!! If you have cool air flowing over the bottom of the video card where the Heatpipe cooler is, it doesn't interfere with anything and there will be less heat to begin with. The cooler "tunnel" of a 2 slot video card often has 3 or 4 vents towards the very rear of the card that are exhausts. They have a larger total opening than the rear exhaust, so how much heat actually exits the case directly? Being kind, I would say about 1/4 of the total heat at best! Cards that are all boxed in by not having vents run very hot to begin with!
Best Regards,
Russ
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