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overclocking amd 2800 athlon xp
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phredcong
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18. November 2004 @ 20:10 |
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Hey y'all
question for youse: my bios is set to 1.80vcore but asus probe shows in hopping aroung from 1.84 to 1.856???? I would assume personally that the bios is right on and asus probe is?????not???? or am I looking at fry city?
Which begs the question: if temps are ok why not raise vcore?
Running AThlon XP 2800+ barton oc'd to 2.39 Ghz.
Asus A7nx8-e
Temps: 46c idle 55c load with Thermaltake volcano 11 @~3500 rpm (otherwise my case leaves the ground..:)
thanks for all good info.
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agent-k
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18. November 2004 @ 22:38 |
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(otherwise my case leaves the ground..:)
hahahaha, yeah nice one.
I got the Volcano 12 and it sure is a noisy mother at 5500rpm.
Don't worry about the fluctuating Vcore voltage in Asus probe, mine does it all the time.
Athlon XP2500+Barton OCd to XP3200+ running at 2.2Ghz
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hi, welcome jagbr to the forum.
there are several ways to overclok first you need to know your hardware to know how much you can pushit without damage your syst. ok
athlon 2800+ barton (lock core)
your cpu has 12.5x mult and 166 internal bus (12.5 x 166= 2083mhz thats your cpu stock speed) thats what mult is part of clock speed).
in barton core are lock which means you cant change the mult. all you can do is change the internal bus
166mhz or the vcore,raising that will make your mobo to give the cpu more voltage ( which i dont recommend because is really dangerous).
first lets look at your hardware:
mobo: asus a7n8x-x deluxe is really great oc favorite board.that mobo will let you change: vcore,fsb.
memory: your mem is great for oc too try low latency timings(Cas: 2-2-2-5-1) and those mems have an aluminium heat spreader.
cpu cooler:
this is very important when you overclock you are stressing your system which cause your cpu to overheat so a good fan and heat sink are need it ( you didnt mention your cpu cooler??) athlon xp die temp is 85cº according to amd.
you want 2.2ghz the xp 2800+ can easy handle that (personal experience).
try this fsb 176mhz with a mult 12.5 = 2200mhz.
remember to use asus motherboard probe app to monitor you cpu temps and set shutdown temp warning on your bios(just for protection 2.2 is not much just in case).
and try to put some case fans too that helps.
final note: oc is a matter of try and try until you get the highest and stable settings!!
let me know!!
hope i help.
Dr.xp
abit nf7
athlon xp 2800+ oc to 2.21ghz
gigabyte 3d cooler max speed(4400rpm)and artic silver 5.
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aceprowl
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19. November 2004 @ 07:10 |
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Hey, very good explanation of O'Cing in general. But yes, just like he says. It's a factor of just trying to OC your system till it shuts it's self down, or you can a temp gage as I do. To see how your system is handling the change.
Personal experience, don't OC something you don't have the money to replace it with.
I've soft modded my Radeon 9800pro, to xt. With out any temp. changes, I was shocked, then I sold it on ebay as an xt. I did explain the softmodding. The person that had bought it still emails me till this day. Going on 8months solid xt performance.
I did not see any difference. From 9700pro to an 9800xt. So I of course am still using my 9700pro until I am impressed with a newer card.
I have a nf-s v2.0 board, in which I showed that I have a 2800 Barton chip. OC'd to an 3200 at 400fsb with stock cooling at a temp of 48'c, 50'c under load. To me OC'ing is fun if you know what you are doing. Knowing where your cmos reset is, is the key also to OC'ing. So you can reset your system to defaults at any time a bad OC has happened. You will know. As system shuts down, and monitor will not kick in. Time to reset cmos.
But hey, Once again, good luck with your person OC'ing. And never go off of someone else OC. Because a lot of OC'ers know it's for bragging rights, and most are bullshiting you. So watch!!
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19. November 2004 @ 11:03 |
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hey ace!! how you oc your 2800+ with 400 fsb in stock cooler :o men!!!! and those temps how???.
i have mine on 2.21ghz (176bus,12.5mult)
cooler gigabyte 3d cooler max speed 4400rpms and i get 39-43 temps i want to pushit more but my memorys wont let me! (markvision pc-2700) 2.5-2-2-7 cas.
Dr.xp
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gigabyte 3d cooler max speed 4400rpms and artic silver 5
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aceprowl
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19. November 2004 @ 17:21 |
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Well, like I said in my previous post. With this nf7-s v2.0 board, it was just a touch of a button. From 2800mhz 333fsb, to 3200mhz 400fsb.
If you can tell me how to give you more proof in what I am doing, please tell me. I have a couple of utilities, this being the 2nd showing the cpu's change in just seconds. Thanks.
[CPUInfo v2.1.2 - Freeware ]
Processor information
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[Processor]
Processor : AMD Athlon XP (Barton)
Current Core Speed : 2194 MHz
Current System Clock : 199.45 MHz
Multiplyer : 11x
Core Speed : 2194 MHz
System Clock : 199.45 MHz
Front Side Bus : FSB399 (DDR)
Revision : A0
Socket : Socket A
[CPUID]
Vendor ID : AuthenticAMD
CPU Name : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3200+
Type : Std: 0
Family : Std: 6, Ext: 7
Model : Std: 10, Ext: 10
Stepping : Std: 0, Ext: 0
Brand ID : Std: 0
CPUID Level : Std: 00000001h, Ext: 80000008h
[L1 Cache]
Code Cache : 64 KB
Data Cache : 64 KB
[Other Cache]
Level 2 Cache : 512 KB
Level 3 Cache : ---
Windows - API Calls
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[Operating System]
Operating System : Windows XP Professional
Suite : Single User
Version : 5.1
Service Pack : 1.0
Build : 2600
[Physical Memory]
Total : 512 MB (524288 KB)
Used : 190 MB (194848 KB)
Free : 322 MB (329440 KB)
[Virtual Memory]
Total : 1250 MB
Used : 153 MB
Free : 1096 MB
[Processor Information (Windows)]
Processor Architecture : x86 (IA32)
Max. number of Processors : 1
Active Processor : 0
Processor Type : Pentium
Processor Level : Intel Pentium Pro / II / III
Processor Revision : 0A, 00
Floationg Point precision errata : No
Floationg Point Emulation : Yes
Compare Exchange Double : No
MMX Instruction Set : Yes
PowerPC MOVEMEM 64 bit : No
Alpha Byte instructions : No
XMMI instructions : No
3DNow! instructions : No
RDTSC instruction : No
PAE active : No
XMMI64 instructions : No
Windows - Registry
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[License]
Operating System : Microsoft Windows XP
Version : 5.1
Build : 2600
Service Pack : Service Pack 1
Registered to : Gaming
Organization : n/a
Product ID : **********
Product Key : n/a
[Processor Information (Registry)]
Processor : 0
Vendor : AuthenticAMD
Processor : x86 Family 6 Model 10 Stepping 0
Other : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3200+
MHz : 2194 MHz
End of report.
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[CPUInfo v2.1.2 - Freeware ]
Processor information
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[Processor]
Processor : AMD Athlon XP (Barton)
Current Core Speed : 2079 MHz
Current System Clock : 166.32 MHz
Multiplyer : 12.5x
Core Speed : 2079 MHz
System Clock : 166.32 MHz
Front Side Bus : FSB333 (DDR)
Revision : A0
Socket : Socket A
[CPUID]
Vendor ID : AuthenticAMD
CPU Name : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2800+
Type : Std: 0
Family : Std: 6, Ext: 7
Model : Std: 10, Ext: 10
Stepping : Std: 0, Ext: 0
Brand ID : Std: 0
CPUID Level : Std: 00000001h, Ext: 80000008h
[L1 Cache]
Code Cache : 64 KB
Data Cache : 64 KB
[Other Cache]
Level 2 Cache : 512 KB
Level 3 Cache : ---
Windows - API Calls
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[Operating System]
Operating System : Windows XP Professional
Suite : Single User
Version : 5.1
Service Pack : 1.0
Build : 2600
[Physical Memory]
Total : 512 MB (524288 KB)
Used : 171 MB (175012 KB)
Free : 341 MB (349276 KB)
[Virtual Memory]
Total : 1250 MB
Used : 128 MB
Free : 1122 MB
[Processor Information (Windows)]
Processor Architecture : x86 (IA32)
Max. number of Processors : 1
Active Processor : 0
Processor Type : Pentium
Processor Level : Intel Pentium Pro / II / III
Processor Revision : 0A, 00
Floationg Point precision errata : No
Floationg Point Emulation : Yes
Compare Exchange Double : No
MMX Instruction Set : Yes
PowerPC MOVEMEM 64 bit : No
Alpha Byte instructions : No
XMMI instructions : No
3DNow! instructions : No
RDTSC instruction : No
PAE active : No
XMMI64 instructions : No
Windows - Registry
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[License]
Operating System : Microsoft Windows XP
Version : 5.1
Build : 2600
Service Pack : Service Pack 1
Registered to : Gaming
Organization : n/a
Product ID : *******************
Product Key : n/a
[Processor Information (Registry)]
Processor : 0
Vendor : AuthenticAMD
Processor : x86 Family 6 Model 10 Stepping 0
Other : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2800+
MHz : 2079 MHz
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Molks
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20. November 2004 @ 03:20 |
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Hi aceprowl,
Im am glad to see some info on your OC. Thanks for letting us take a look.
The problem with my system is the CPU wont allow me to go further. Here is the stepping information on my CPU;
AXDA2800DKV4D
AQYHA 0408RPCW
Operating Voltage 1.65 V
Max Die Temperature 85° C
L1 Cache Size 128 KB
L2 Cache Size 512 KB
Multiplier 12.5x
FSB Frequency 333 MHz
Stepping Code AQYHA
Manufacture Year 2004
Manufacture Week 08
Production Batch C
Batch Production Number 0308
Mine is locked and wont budge. (after week 38 2003)
What is your stepping and production week/year?
Hi Dr Xp,
I would like to ask, why do you believe that it is a bad idea to increase the Vcore? Didn't someone say that increasing the voltage makes the transistors switch faster? This is why you need higher Vcore to overclock. The problem is more heat is generated and so you need better cooling.
If you want to overclock you need to increase the Vcore, not so high though that the temp is too high.
People who have mobile athlons can overclock to XP2800+
speeds easily, but stability requires about the same Vcore or less - 1.65. These cores are perhaps better quality and can overclock to higher speeds without generating the higher temps. Extreme overclocks need the cooling though.
A vcore of 1.8 should be fine.. (If it is available on the bios setting of the conservative A7N8X-E deluxe then it must be OK!)
I use motherboard monitor 5 to check in windows what is happening to Vcore with the Hi/Low record. I have noticed that under full load the Vcore can be as low as 1.73 and go as high as 1.79 when set to 1.82 with my power supply.
Going above 2.0V is probably a bad idea, I dont, and Ive no idea how quickly burnout or lockups result.
XP2500-M barton @ 2.7Ghz NexXxos water 1l/min flow
DDR400 2Gig
9800SE -> 9800pro
God is real unless declared integer
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Molks
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20. November 2004 @ 03:40 |
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Hey phredcong,
lol - I use a thermaltake, mine was just as bad. I took off the fan and put a normal case fan.
I reckon they just like you to think its working by using a noisy fan that you can only ignore when playing games..
You have a similar setup to mine, though I guess I have a power supply that is different. (what do you use?) 1.85 Vcore is already quite high and the temperature (where do you get that number from? 55C) might not be accurate if read through the ASUS bios or ASUS monitor.
Get more volts.. (1.825 Max in bios ? 1.87 from sensor)
At 2.39 Ghz you already leave mine standing..
XP2500-M barton @ 2.7Ghz NexXxos water 1l/min flow
DDR400 2Gig
9800SE -> 9800pro
God is real unless declared integer
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Jagerbrth
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20. November 2004 @ 05:10 |
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Hey Dr. xp
Just wanted to thank you and the others commenting on my questions. I added my current fan info to my signature. I believe I have a good enough fan to cool it plus a couple other case fans.
Previously running around 2.0 ghz
Now at a seemingly stable 2.21ghz (177 fsb x 12.5)
I'll go play some HL2 and pass on the results. Is there known stability @ 2.5ghz? heh, i stroke a couple keys and I want to go further, lol
The forum is great, keep up the good work!
Amd 3000+ Barton 400mhz
Thermaltake K7 Volcano 11+
1Gb (2x512) Corsair DDR PC3200 (400mhz)
Asus A7N8X Deluxe nForce2-U400
Radeon 9700 Pro (still love the value)
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20. November 2004 @ 06:12 |
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HELLO MOLKS!
LOKO FIRST AND MORE IMPORTANT YOUR MOBO LETS YOU SWITH THE VOLTS THATS RIGTH BUT THEY ALSO SAID THEY ARE NOT RENPONSABLE FOR ANY DAMAGE YOU CAUSE TO YOUR CPU OR MOBO (THATS IS DO IT AT YOUR OWN RISK THING).
AMD RECOMEND NOT TO INCREASE YOUR VCORE BUT IF YOU DO DONT GO OVER 1.8 VOLT.
IN XTREME OVERCLOCKING YOU NEED TO INCREASE VCORE IN ORDER TO COPE WITH HIGH FBS SETTING CPU IN THAT CASE GET VOLTAGE HUNGRY SO THAT THE XTRA VOLTAGES FOR.
BUT IN LITE OVERC JUST BY INCREASING YOUR FSB WILL BE ENOUGH.
WHY INCREASE VCORE CAN BE DANGEROUS EASY BECAUSE ELECTRICITY BURNS,FRIES ETC.. VCORE IS VERY DELICATE CPU PART YOU WILL GENERATE MORE HEAT FROM VCORE INC THAN FROM FSB. BUT IF YOURE PLANNING TO TAKE YOUR CPU TO THE MAX THEN AND ONLY THEN IT IS NEED TO INCREASE THE VCORE.
OK NOW ABOUT MOBILE PROCESORS THEY HAVE UNLOCK CORES
AND LOWER FSB EXAMPLE A LOCK 2800+(266 FSB,LOWER VCORE 1.45V AND LOWER CSPEED) TO LET YOU TWEAK IT!!! AND UNLOCK MULTIPLIER. THATS THEY ARE FOR OVERCL.
THATS THE REASON NOT HIQLT CORES.
ABOUT MONITORING I TRUST THE BIOS NOT MOTHERBOARD PROBE. MOBO PROBE IS TO GIVE YOU AND IDEA MINE HAS A DIFFERENCE OS 2-3Cº, 0.5VOLT (BIOS-PROBE) SO GET IN YOUR BIOS AND COMPARE IT WITH YOUR PROBE.
FINAL NOTE: DUDE DONT RAISE YOUR VCORE TO 2.0V..
THANX JAGERBRTH GLAD I HELP ANY TIME MAN!!
LETS!! KEEP TWEKING!!!
Dr.xp
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ATHLON XP 2800+ OC 2.21GHZ
GIGABYTE 3D COOLER MAX SPEED 4400RPM(ARTIC SILVER 5)
8 CASE FANS (80MM)
^^OVERCLOCKING IS NOT JUST ABOUT NUMBERS....^^
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20. November 2004 @ 13:06 |
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@Dr.xp
Don't post in all caps - it's in the forum rules.
My killer sig came courtesy of bb "El Jefe" mayo.
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20. November 2004 @ 13:09 |
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sorry :(
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No worries. It's considered yelling and a little hard on the eyes :)
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phredcong
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20. November 2004 @ 13:34 |
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Hey molks,
My bios is set at 1.80v, its the asus probe that reads 1.84~1.85. I also use the ASUS probe for temp monitoring...who knows if it's accurate...? My power supply is a RaidMax 400W that so far seems to have enough juice. I hope to add a 2nd seagate barracuda 120gb and go to RAID 0 after santa's elves get it together :D. maybe then I'll need a bigger power supply.
So yea, ur multiplier is locked at 12.5 but you can increase the fsb (mine is set at 191 mhz. atm). I tried (for kicks and grins) to go all the way to 200mhz x 12.5=fsb400mhz=core2500mhz (!) and it would boot into windows but Prime95 wouldn't run a single iteration...I took the hint and backed off! So, with a little experimentation 191x=382mhz fsb=2.387ghz was stable running Prime95 for 3 hours (i know not overnight, so who knows?)
Also, my ram is PC3200 400DDR so it handles the extra speed in the fsb without oc'ing itself (in fact its below its rated speed) and that will definitely contribute to memory stability not being an issue.
hope it helps, post again if u want me to share what little more i know..:)
ps, yeae if I increase my bios asus probe is always about .05v higher than bios. why, no idear.
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Jagerbrth
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20. November 2004 @ 15:07 |
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So...Gentlemen,
I'm looking for an opinion on whether or not i can push my processor to 200fsb and 2.5 ghz from the current state of 2.2ghz.
Any one have experience with this and a similar configuration?
Totally new to trying to ruin my puter,
Jag
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Thermaltake K7 Volcano 11+
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phredcong
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20. November 2004 @ 15:21 |
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see my above post for my own experience with 200mhz FSB.
my guess (and I assure you, it is a guess :) is that with higher voltage core settings u might be able to get close. But with higher vcore comes risk of cpu fryage. I seriously do not know (if ur cooling is adequate) how high with voltage to your core u can go....logic says if temps are cool why not...but there's this little voice in my head---->sizzle?....:D ...good luck trying!
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20. November 2004 @ 18:46 |
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jaggerb you can try until you get the highest and stable settings for your cpu.
some other thing your mem pc-2700 i dont know if the can handle a high fsb maybe ddr 400 can!!.
try to build your own xperience but remember a vcore over 1.8 is not safe.
good luck man let us know!!.
Dr.xp
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20. November 2004 @ 23:51 |
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Well Dr.XP, get a rad from a car dealer - i paid $20 NZ which is $12 US for my rad. Pump get an Eheim, they make fishtank pumps but also PC ones, 2 options, Eheim 1046 which is 300L/h or Eheim 1048 which is 600L/h. I ahve the 1046 as its good for my needs, these pumps cost $110 NZ for the 1046 and $130 NZ for the 1048. So tha should be $50 and $70 respectively.
AMD AthlonXP 2800+ @ 2.5GHz (200x12.5) 21/34
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20. November 2004 @ 23:53 |
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Hey guys, and Dr.xp,
My 2800 barton of course is AXDA2800KV4D, all bartons have that code. Thus Each Letter and Number represents Speed, vcore, temp, etc.
But the Important thing is the week, Mine is this
AQZFA0336upmw
Meaning this chip was make in the 36th week of year 2k3. All bartons are locked after week 39, and all after the 42 week.
Hope this helps, thanks, laterz.
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21. November 2004 @ 07:43 |
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hey thanx g33k for the info very usefull ill check that out.
thanx aceprowl for that info i really haven`t check mine maybe is unlock and i didnt know if is unlock ill try to oc a little bit more jejejeje
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Molks
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21. November 2004 @ 11:27 |
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Hey phredcong,
Good to see someone else using prime95 to check stability so I can compare. I've been running this to find out if my overclocks are anygood, and so far stable although the temp of my cpu is high 62 C
I am worried though that my Vcore is all over the place.. (even with a new power supply; AKASA 460W dual 12V rail.)
Hey aceprowl thanks for putting me straight about the CPU multiplier lock introduction week. I might try an swap my XP2800 with my bros since he got his earlier..
XP2500-M barton @ 2.7Ghz NexXxos water 1l/min flow
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21. November 2004 @ 11:53 |
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Just like the tag screams, here comes another neewbie question.
I'm at a very stable 2.2 ghz, just nervous about pushing my fsb to 200 with my 2700 kingston HX ram.
Is it generally safe to attempt it and just see if i boots? Or maybe I should raise the vcore a little?
btw, anyone out there use AIDA32? seems like a handy tool to have for getting system info. I stumbled across it one day. http://www.freenet.de/freenet/computer_und_technik/software/freeware/freeware_o/11.html
just found that their website is now closed....hmmm
As always, thanks!
Jag
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Thermaltake K7 Volcano 11+
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phredcong
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21. November 2004 @ 13:57 |
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hey jagr, molks,
jagr, see my above for a brief experiment with 200mhz fsb. I tried it with vcore set to 1.82v and even tho i could get into windows, i could not "torture" test for even one second. i'm too wimpy to try more vcore..:)! keep in mind if u were to get all the way to 2.5ghz it would only be about 0.15 ghz more than many can get (eg most can get ~2.35ghz) and the performance gain? well, do the math ~6% more speed...probably not worth it unless u want to try for fun and can afford to replace ur sweet hard wurkin' tortured cpu :). by getting 2.387mhz with my 2800xp i got ~ 14.5% more performance...all for free with a little worry. best wishes in ur quest for the grail!:)
Molks, ur pc2700 ram is fine, if it can handle fsb speeds above 333mhz...like i was spraying, mine is DDR400mhz rated so my cpu is the only thing oc'd.
I did experiment with oc'ing my memory and got to 218mhzx2, but that is another story....that was by leaving it by "SPD", not "auto", and then it was my limiting factor in stability. So, my memory is slightly UNDERclocked at 191mhzx2. Perhaps that is why I was able to get 2.387ghz for my cpu (tho for my memory it is still faster than if I was way back at 166mhzx2 stock with my 2800xp at 2.083mhz and 333mhz fsb...
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21. November 2004 @ 15:49 |
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molks man that cpu is hot dude! that is due to vcore increase.. what heatsink your using?
jagerb pc-400 mem is better for oc at that 200 fsb.
phredcong good info there but you got me at the end with the underlock mem thing? please one more time!!
Dr.xp
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21. November 2004 @ 16:56 |
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I've got a AMD Athlon XP 2700+ running at 2.17 GHz and I'm using the original settings. Comparing this to the other 2800s here this is faster than them all.
2.17 vs. 2.08
2700+ vs. 2800+
2700+ is better on default settings??
Am i Missing something here?
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