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13. August 2008 @ 23:00 |
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shaffaaf, Welcome back!
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just installed vista 64bit. lovely. no problems what so ever.
i dont get why people use vista on bad hardware, one is askin for a crap experiance :D
The point is you just installed it. I get computers all the time that are still under warranty, 8-9 months old and Vista is giving them fits. It worked fine for a while and then the BSODs started. These are all machines "designed Specifically" for Vista Too! At the rate Vista is going, we would be on Service Pack 27 before they fix all the bugs. That's all right as Vista as we know it has maybe a year and a half left in it's lifespan! The new edition of XP-Pro is due out early next year, if not sooner! The next change in XP-Pro due after that will be XP-Vista. It's supposed to be XP with a new face. Most of the benefits of the XP's performance minus all the Bloatware and security BS without all the constant pop up little confirmation windows for everything you do!
Unfortunately for Micro$0ft, they have little choice! Micro$oft has a huge lawsuit against them over all the Vista security and other related things. During the investigation, so much dirt was turned up regarding dirty dealings and outright blackmail to component and perifial manufacturers, not to mention all the major computer manufacturers, that Micro$oft has no chance of winning this case. I know for a fact because I am part of it! This case will never see a Courtroom. It will be settled before then, maybe on the Courthouse steps, but Micro$oft "will settle"! That's all I'm allowed to say!
Here's a link anyone considering Vista should read. I wanted to link to the Anandtech Vista vs XP shootout, done about a month ago, but the link page is dead! I know this is an old article, but the points they make are still relevant!
http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/03/1...ersus-xp_1.html
The Anandtech article showed that XP-Pro was 13 to 17% faster than Vista. In fact I don't think Vista was faster at anything! Maybe Startup! The article is very concise and to the point, and is an answer to accusations against the author pertaining to a previous article he wrote on Vista. They also go into why all these problems occurred in the first place, and what was the cause! Read and Learn! Also understand this! We enthusiasts won't have near the problems with any operating system than the general public will have. Half of the General Public can barely turn on the computer! We also have far better equipment to start with, since we built our's to our own specifications! The average guy wouldn't have a clue what to do if there was a problem. If they did, I wouldn't fix as many computers as I do! LOL!!
Respectfully,
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13. August 2008 @ 23:14 |
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13. August 2008 @ 23:16 |
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but its not vista's fault the machines cannot run them. most people dont bother with cleaning their dust inside, so the CPU/NB heats up. infact most of the bsods i ahve has were either nvidia, OR my NB being too hot, once i replaced the TIM on the NB and got an ATI card, well i am well chuffed with vista.
its nto vista fault that manufacuteres are writing vista ready on machines that clearly cannot take them. vista basic maybe.
why would MS go back to XP, XP was the 2000 kernal, jsut spruced up, and windows 7 is the same thing. its the windows NT6 (IICR) just spruced up. thats why DX11 can work with both vista and windows 7.
btw you know you can disable UAC, so easily. us seasoned computer geeks (more so you, your the one with the most experiance out of us!) wont need it, but average joe doesnt mind as he/she isnt installgin a million things a day. they go on to browse and word proccess, which doesnt use UAC.
what bugs and bloatware are you talking about with vista that it will take 27 SPs to make it work?
and arnt you glad vista = ca$h for you! HAHAAH, with all the work you get :D
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13. August 2008 @ 23:17 |
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Originally posted by abuzar1:
who's is that?
is that a freezer 7 pro as the DFI NB?
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Yes Freezer 64 Pro as the DFI Bloodiron NB. It's a guy on Overclock.net.
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13. August 2008 @ 23:35 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
why would MS go back to XP, XP was the 2000 kernal, jsut spruced up, and windows 7 is the same thing. its the windows NT6 (IICR) just spruced up. thats why DX11 can work with both vista and windows 7.
Yeah there aren't many new features in Vienna since it uses the vista kernel....off the top of my head, I remember they added these new "multi-touch" features similar to the iphone's...and it supposedly uses less power and memory...
And Fiji pretty much didn't bring ANYTHING new....complete waste of time....
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btw you know you can disable UAC, so easily.
w/ vlite, you can just take it off completely so it doesn't even install in the first place....
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13. August 2008 @ 23:38 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
but its not vista's fault the machines cannot run them. most people dont bother with cleaning their dust inside, so the CPU/NB heats up. infact most of the bsods i ahve has were either nvidia, OR my NB being too hot, once i replaced the TIM on the NB and got an ATI card, well i am well chuffed with vista.
its nto vista fault that manufacuteres are writing vista ready on machines that clearly cannot take them. vista basic maybe.
One of the reasons they are being sued is that MS's own certification program was faulty, but beyond that, vendors, based on MS's own specs were selling computers that would never run Vista without many
problems, including not enough resources to handle Vista's bloated software.
So YES, it is Vista's (Microsofts) fault.
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Originally posted by sytyguy:
Originally posted by shaffaaf:
but its not vista's fault the machines cannot run them. most people dont bother with cleaning their dust inside, so the CPU/NB heats up. infact most of the bsods i ahve has were either nvidia, OR my NB being too hot, once i replaced the TIM on the NB and got an ATI card, well i am well chuffed with vista.
its nto vista fault that manufacuteres are writing vista ready on machines that clearly cannot take them. vista basic maybe.
One of the reasons they are being sued is that MS's own certification program was faulty, but beyond that, vendors, based on MS's own specs were selling computers that would never run Vista without many
problems, including not enough resources to handle Vista's bloated software.
So YES, it is Vista's (Microsofts) fault.
and what bloated software was/is that?
right so its a blame on MS for under speccing the systems, but how is that vista fault? Dell/HP/etc, should have known for a long time the minimum specs needed, i dont see the problem, they, i am sure had tries out vista before they started using it? or were they just blind and stuck it on?
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14. August 2008 @ 00:34 |
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shaffaaf,
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what bugs and bloatware are you talking about with vista that it will take 27 SPs to make it work?
and arnt you glad vista = ca$h for you! HAHAAH, with all the work you get :D
If you read the article I posted, you wouldn't be asking that question! LOL!! The main problem is that the kernel has been altered so many times, patched and cross patched that it needs to be completely started from scratch. Too many people tried to change too many things at a lever that is normally a fixed entity. Things get built around the core kernel, not the other way around, which is what the engineers did with Vista.
What Bloatware?? First, it's huge! Second, it's the biggest resource hog in the history of software, bar none!
Russ
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Russ is absolutely correct about Vista,i heard the same thing from a very reliable source. Vista has ended up being M$ biggest nightmare and if they don't get rid of it soon it could be the demise of M$
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Originally posted by greensman:
bookmarked and will read to "enlighten" the GM... lol. thanks.
so you likey Vista mrk44?? I'm gonna try it i think. it's just to tempting now... lol. :P
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GM: Don't even try it w/o using vlite to shrink it. It'll ruin the experience for you lol. It does have a lot a of bloatware, but you can pretty much take out ANY of it that you don't want, and I mean ANYTHING. I really don't like the way soooo many people say that vista is garbage w/o doing anything about it to take out some of the trash. I must say before I used vlite, I never realized how much pure unnecessary BS they stuffed into it...
And btw, those cm fans you recommended are amazing.
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That's the problem. People hear things about Vista. They don't actually try it out. Vista is pretty damn good. I personally don't have issues with it. It's much nicer, and MUCH MORE INTUITIVE that XP. Yeah I went there. The Drivers are MUCH easier to get. It automatically installs most of them. Windows Vista 64 has wayy more support than XP 64.
It's not that much of a resource hog. It has prefetching which kinda eats up the RAM. I have it running on a older AMD Athlon 64 system with 1GB of RAM and it has been running perfectly fine since Vista came out. That's my Dad's business computer, and no complaints. They prefer using it over the XP computer they have, and they both have the same specs.
MRK, looks like I'm gonna have to try that Vlite.
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Originally posted by abuzar1:
That's the problem. People hear things about Vista. They don't actually try it out. Vista is pretty damn good. I personally don't have issues with it. It's much nicer, and MUCH MORE INTUITIVE that XP. Yeah I went there. The Drivers are MUCH easier to get. It automatically installs most of them. Windows Vista 64 has wayy more support than XP 64.
It's not that much of a resource hog. It has prefetching which kinda eats up the RAM. I have it running on a older AMD Athlon 64 system with 1GB of RAM and it has been running perfectly fine since Vista came out. That's my Dad's business computer, and no complaints. They prefer using it over the XP computer they have, and they both have the same specs.
MRK, looks like I'm gonna have to try that Vlite.
You are honestly the first person I have EVER heard agree with me. lol
And yeah everyone should try it out. The amount of things you can remove is HUGE. It allows you to even enable or disable services on install and add hotfixes and updates so you don't have to update when you install. You can even pre-enter your product key, user name, pw, and a lot of other settings so it automatically installs after about two or three clicks, and you don't have to wait around for it to finish and set the settings after.
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superfetch is one of the main reasons its faster then XP aswell :)
im sure when XP came out it ate more resources than 98?
im still waiting to see exactly what software vista installs with it which is bloatware?
if its going to be the demise of MS, how is it the biggest selling OS?
and russ do you have a link to what you said?
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I agree with what mrk says, but not with what you say shaff, mainly because of the use of the word 'faster'. On a similar system boot time in XP versus Vista is 1m45 vs 8m15. I can see how you might perhaps shrink that to three minutes, but that's still a lot longer than XP.
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abuzar1,
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That's the problem. People hear things about Vista. They don't actually try it out. Vista is pretty damn good.
Well some of my sources are Major stockholders in Micro$oft, and the stockholders are not pleased! Vista was late coming out because every time they thought they had it ready, someone upstairs wanted some new feature added. That's why all the core kernel changes! M$ has poured so much money in Vista, that it will never pay for itself. Stockholders don't like losing money! Especially when it's their money being thrown away!
And why would anyone want a slower operating system? Comparison tests in the last month or so show Vista can't keep up with XP in terms of program speed, and Windows 7 is rumored to be even faster than XP! vista Ultimate uses about 17GB of disk space. SP-1 adds about 2GB to that! Vista was flawed when it was finally introduced, and M$ knew it, but they released it anyway! The lawsuits have continued to grow to over 100,000 people. Most are suing over all the security BS and the fact that Some vista machines can't be converted easily to XP-Pro. People feel that it's their computer and they should be able to install any operating system or components in it they want, without issue! The evidence of sneaky dealings and outright blackmail that M$ used to force manufacturers to support Vista only machines, is overwhelming. Even the hard drive manufacturers are forced to make a certain percentage of pre-loaded drives as Vista or M$ won't grant them a license to buy them at all! M$ knows darn well that without an operating system included, these companies could go out of business since they are not licensed to buy OEM Pre-loaded drives unless they agree with Micro$oft's terms! Like I've said, it's hard to sell a computer with no OS!
There are 28 Subpoenas drawn up, for virtually all the heads of all the major companies that build Computers and perifials for computers. They will only be executed in the event this does go to Court. These are the people's witnesses, not Micro$oft's!. The States Attorney General has already said that given the scope and depth of Micro$ofts complicity in this matter through the evidence collected so far, the State may seek Indictments against some of microsoft's Officers, for Illegal Business Practices! The funniest thing is that Micro$oft actually put it in writing in the license agreement! Not quite as threatening as the way things really happened, but if the President of Dell goes on the witness stand , the signed license agreement backs up every claim of foul he makes! It's "Payback Time" for years of abuse by M$, and the CEOs and Presidents all know they can only win, and there's nothing M$ can do about it! Man, it hurts when you drop that Toilet lid on your whosis! LOL!! Just ask M$!
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Yes, XP was a right hog when it first came out compared to 98/Me/2000 but when they realised it didn't crash perpetually, people were all over it. Vista may not be unstable, but major corporations are turning it down as an upgrade for their PCs, I don't recall that ever happening with XP. Those who think Vista is good haven't had it take a dump on them yet, just you wait...
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sammorris,
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Yes, XP was a right hog when it first came out compared to 98/Me/2000 but when they realised it didn't crash perpetually, people were all over it. Vista may not be unstable, but major corporations are turning it down as an upgrade for their PCs, I don't recall that ever happening with XP. Those who think Vista is good haven't had it take a dump on them yet, just you wait...
I couldn't agree more!
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superfetch is one of the main reasons its faster then XP aswell :)
im sure when XP came out it ate more resources than 98?
im still waiting to see exactly what software vista installs with it which is bloatware?
if its going to be the demise of MS, how is it the biggest selling OS?
and russ do you have a link to what you said?
OK, one at a time! Vista is not faster! There have been many vista/XP performance shootouts, and XP has won every one of them, handily!
Yes, XP did use more resources than 98, but 98 was DOS based. It also does a heck of a lot more than 98 ever could, and it does it all better and faster than 98! Point being we did get an improvement all around for our money! That's not the case with Vista!
Bloatware? Oh, I don't know. There's over 1GB in printer drivers alone! I would guess even more for video cards. I'm not keen on giving up better than 10% of my 160GB HDD to any OS! The drivers should have been put on a driver DVD!
A link pertaining to what? I said I wanted to link to the Anandtech Shoot-Out, but I can't get the page to load. That was the newest Vista/XP shoot out I've heard of. It was conducted, in early July 08. I posted it here back when the review was first posted on Anandtech!
The lawsuit I can't go into any more datail on, at this time! People don't want Vista, that's the bottom line. I wasn't until this lawsuit took place, that M$ even considered continuing the life of XP in the form of Windows 7.
I don't think this will be the demise of M$, but it could be if they are stupid! The best selling OS in the world of all time is XP! over 52 million computers have been produced worldwide this year alone. Internet usage is up to over 1.2 billion users and growing every day! That's a huge amount of profit for M$! BTW, this link is perpetual!
http://www.peterrussell.dreamhosters.com/Odds/WorldClock.php
Micro$oft today revised their predictions for XP's market share, raising it 7% to a 22% share for the coming physical year. That's a huge increase, given the fact that M$ wrote XP off as dead!.
http://www.computerworld.com/action/arti...ticleId=9027532
Vista is outselling XP, now but how much of that has been forced on us because of all the dirty dealings? People buy into the hype of vista, but when the product doesn't work right after months of use they tend to get a little pissed when they don't have a good working alternative. Now they're going to get one, XP, Windows 7 and XP-Vista, all XP based. I for one expect that 22% to grow much higher in the coming year!
Micro$oft has also released drivers previously unavailable for XP on some Vista machines, which is a good sign. The people have spoken, and their choice is overwhelmingly XP! It'll be around a lot longer than Vista as we know it today will.
I've had one Vista machine and have worked on many others. Even with a totally recovered laptop, it still had some glitches, even after all the upgrades and patches were applied. Oh, the person I sold it to, he converted it to XP!
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Russ
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its never taken more than 2 mins max to start up for me sam.
and its been more than a year, nothing worse than xp so far :)
try vista out properly. i was liek you before, im sure boozer was, but we are fine :)
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I will eventually boot 64 bit Vista, time will come when I have to, and I have a second Raptor to do it, but I need to acquire the OS first.
Just received my HD4870, now installed. Quieter than the HD3870 so far at idle (same decibels but a pure light-hiss tone, rather than that horrible grind) - max speed sounds fantastic though, almost identical to a jet, and I'm not joking this time, the vast number of blades on the fan means the frequency is several KHz.
Installing Catalyst. Rebooting to properly secure the card, will probably run 3dmark as a check then going out for the day.
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
I've had one Vista machine and have worked on many others. Even with a totally recovered laptop, it still had some glitches, even after all the upgrades and patches were applied. Oh, the person I sold it to, he converted it to XP!
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That would be me, I guess? I purchased another new laptop later, and of course, it came with Vista. After installing Vista on this laptop, with no updates added and no other software loaded, I only had 757MB of free memory out 2GB of memory.
I backed up Vista with Acronis, just in case I could not convert it to XP Pro, and it took 11GB compressed. After installing XP and all the updates, plus Office 2003 Pro, and all my necessary software, it only took 4GB compressed to back it up.
Talk about bloat..... Who said it wasn't bloated?
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Initial test results:
http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/1237/48703dmarkeb7.jpg
Not as good as the HD3870 crossfire combo, but I suspect that's due to the lack of scaling for 4800s in Canyon Flight. Return to proxycon scaled well, as did Deep Freeze.
In real world games, it's going to be a far more pronounced difference.
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sam your going to love me beating you at fragsoc in october :D
see you on the 13th :)
and ur gonna love this:
i have been speaking to yewen (shop worker and forum admin) for a good few months on hwo to implement it, and now i think, there is no problems with you now? esp as it is next day, BUT it does have a stipulation.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthr...33#post12285133
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Sure thing. You know my nick, it's in my signature.
I'll see you there, buddy, I will see you there.
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14. August 2008 @ 16:00 |
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sammorris,
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Yes, XP was a right hog when it first came out compared to 98/Me/2000 but when they realised it didn't crash perpetually, people were all over it. Vista may not be unstable, but major corporations are turning it down as an upgrade for their PCs, I don't recall that ever happening with XP. Those who think Vista is good haven't had it take a dump on them yet, just you wait...
The big thing with Vista when it does go belly up is it doesn't seem to make backup files for drivers like XP does, so failed drivers can cause horrible problems. When you roll back XP with system restore it calls on the backup files to insure that if the problem is an existing driver, it will be corrected. This does not seem to work with Vista. Installing something as simple as Power DVD7 should not bring the computer down. For me, I would have to replace most of the software I use, and that would be expensive. I prefer Photoshop 7 to the newer versions, and I've been using it since it first came out. You can't use it with Vista. I have the Enterprise Edition of Office, but I prefer the older Office XP, which again isn't compatible with Vista. I have no problem with change, but why should I have to fork out all that money for new software, when I'm perfectly happy with what I've got now. The company I do the air turbine work for was going to switch the entire office to Vista. Fortunately I got wind of it and convinced them not to do it! Had they done that I would have had to do a dual boot system, just to be able to use most of my programs. Just to upgrade our Auto-Cad system (which is custom) would have cost more than a couple of very nice C2D computers. Auto-Cad gave us a quote of $3200 to port all our special stuff over the Vista, plus an additional $2200 for the custom drivers needed for our specialized hardware. Again, they would have had to replace most of the software they use now, in something like 26 computers and the servers. Even buying Corporate licenses for all the software, wouldn't be cheap! Of course HP now has a contract out on me, but that's life! LOL!!
Regards,
Russ
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