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Intel P4 vs AMD
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26. January 2006 @ 22:59 |
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Alrigh, if you want the real answer?
AMD. Simple as that. Every application, from word processing to gaming, multi-tasking and video editing.
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26. January 2006 @ 23:16 |
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baltekmi, that was a little harsh, a lot of members in this thread have been very helpful, asa matter of fact if you had read some of the posts made by brobear and many others the information they gave were not continualy in reference to o'c chipsets and even if this is a debate over user preference its up to them whether or not they debate this issue.
however there will not be a definite YES or NO answer to the question, it is down to user preference, as brobear had already stated earlier, intel already holds market majority due to its earlier an more public release rather than AMD, you can discuss this topic for a couple of more hundred pages but it is always, no matter what specs a new processor has, it will always come down to user preference.
however i respect your opinion and just wanted to add my 2 cents, if you noticei have not discussed other users opinions in a judging manner, i am just pointing out ot you this fact.
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26. January 2006 @ 23:30 |
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It's still a matter of opinion really, but I, along with many others hold the opinion that AMD is CURRENTLY ahead, whether Overclocked or not.
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27. January 2006 @ 00:21 |
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And we're rude, insulting and don't care about other members. Get a life. Little diatribes like that one aren't likely to ingratiate you anywhere. This thread is in a tech section and is not meant for everyone.
When talking about CPUs and platforms, we have discussed both stock and OCed systems. That is our choice to take the discussion where we want. Everyone involved knew or should have known when we were discussing different aspects of AMD and Intel equitpment.
Any time a newbie requests help, they get it. The only time we get on a person's case is when they're being rude or won't follow the info they requested. Also, if you look around, there's information that anyone can glean from these pages. Just ask theonejrs, phantom or any of the other regulars here. So your assertion that it's a useless thread is incorrect as well.
Sometimes the discussion veered away from Intel vs AMD to our personal systems. No one was doing anything funny. They were just posting benches, whether stock in my case or Sophocles' OCed system. The OCed times weren't putting down any particular stock system, the benches merely showed what a comparative stock PC runs at. Sandra doesn't have stored benches for OCed systems. You don't seem to have taken that into your reasoning. The discussions on personal equipment were more about sharing with friends what we had done than comparing the work to other systems, though we do like to brag and joke with each other.
You wasted 6 hours and didn't understand what the forum was about. You can spend the rest of your life and probably not learn how to communicate properly with people. If you want to keep up your negative dialogue, you're more than welcome to leave. Though invitations aren't necessary, I don't remember anyone wanting you here and you've added absolutely nothing to the forum, except a negative attitude. So, if you don't like the forum format, we didn't ask you to spend 6 hours doing a poor analysis.
You're welcome to your opinion, but as you can tell, not many agree with you.
Have a nice day.
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27. January 2006 @ 00:53 |
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#1 To keep it simple, maybe you should inform people that one of the most inportant things to the cpu's performance if the selection of the proper MOTHERBOARD! DUH (i know you will kill me here).Because this is a higly debatable area.
Any moron knows you get a motherboard with a chipset that supports the CPU. The quality depends on the eye of the beholder at times and how much money is in the bank. Duh, you killed yourself.
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#2 Do a a side by side comparison of AMD chips to Intel... NOT OC'D.!! With all the confusing numbers and labels for each chip, maybe you could do a side by side comparison( without all the crap). So that regular people know about what is in the simailar class.
As I mentioned, it's a discussion thread and we didn't intend it for everyone. There's a number of forums dedicated to nothing but structured system comparisons for various processors from both AMD and Intel. I don't think we need to repeat them, nor do we have the desire to here. To be as rude as you, it's none of your business, if you don't like it, you don't have to stay. Write off the 6 hours and move on. It must have been at least a bit entertaining or you're a moron.
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Because belieave it or not regular people read AFTER DAWN and most of the answers you leave are either rude or non helpful.
And yours are better? LOL
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Because you leave answers that are to hard for reg users to understand. And when they ask for more info... they get f.....
We give answers, however on occasion we get the likes of you and the psycho that got banned. Some people would make a saint want to say something out of the way.
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In any case maybe I have gotten this place all wrong.
About the only good assertion you made.
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I thought that This Forum was for everyone and to help everyone. Not just this section, but all sections.
Besides being helpful, it's a good place for like minded people to get togther and discuss topics of interest. If you notice the forum is segmented according to different topics. A person can go where they wish and aren't required to stay. If you want to discuss a topic, you're welcome to start a thread. This thread isn't required to dum down. We don't mind helping those less informed on the subject, shooting the political bull aside. We would have even helped you. You didn't catch some of the banter as being in fun. But then you're a newb.
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Well back to Intel to AMD. All chips run hot... but maybe the info about removing the DIRT AND DUST FROM ALL FANS AND CPU COOLERS WOULD HELP????
See, even you learned something. Processors get hot, but some run hotter than others and without extensive cooling, some shut down. There, we've helped you learn something new.
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Well enough said here..
Good. Luckily we didn't have to wait 6 hours to figure that one out.
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p.s. 1 of the best game players and is on the circuit uses ABIT MOTHERBOARD AND A INEL CHIP..FATALITY
So, are you wanting to join in on who has the best chip, AMD or Intel? There you go pointing out the prowess of a beefed up system. And the pot called the kettle black. LOL
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27. January 2006 @ 01:02 |
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Another all-star response to an utter n00b. Good call as always brobear.
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27. January 2006 @ 01:15 |
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This thread has both, AMD vs Intel side by side comparisons as well as stat's on Over Clocked systems. With the use of Sandra & CPU-Z software it has also given members such as myself a TRUE position to go on when interacting with other members as well as information or system spec's of other members that one can use in their quest for possible build's down the road.
In other words this thread works for me!
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27. January 2006 @ 01:32 |
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As it does for most everyone. Just a newb trying to take a crap in our space. Can't believe it took him 6 hours to figure out he didn't like it. LOL I wouldn't read a thread that long unless I really liked it; probably not even then. It would have to be entertaining, then we are that at times. ;)
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27. January 2006 @ 01:57 |
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like that thread where gear showed up that noob
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27. January 2006 @ 02:04 |
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When noobs are showing their posterior, all one needs to do is point. It takes no effort to show what they are. They have a tendency to increse their butt quotient. ;)
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27. January 2006 @ 02:28 |
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lol thats funny stuff brobear...
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27. January 2006 @ 02:40 |
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Watch out, Sophocles usually points out it's not good to encourage my questionable behavior. ;)
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27. January 2006 @ 02:49 |
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geez brobear, you and your sophistimicated words.
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27. January 2006 @ 02:59 |
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:D
Back on topic, does anyone know where the FX-60's source of origin is? It's almost the same price in £ as it is to the exchange rate in $. I'm sure britons will bea ware how something can cost £200 here and be like 280USD. However, comparing £700 to $1300 is quite a favourable rate of exchange, especially for an absolute monster of a processor (albeit one that's rendered pointless by overclocking)
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27. January 2006 @ 03:22 |
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The difference between an FX-60 and an Opteron 175 over clocked is only the difference in price.
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27. January 2006 @ 04:01 |
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Because belieave it or not regular people read AFTER DAWN and most of the answers you leave are either rude or non helpful
Your comments are among the rudest in the thread, is this your way of making your comment true?
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#1 To keep it simple, maybe you should inform people that one of the most important things to the cpu's performance if the selection of the proper MOTHERBOARD! DUH (i know you will kill me here).Because this is a highly debatable area.
It's true that the motherboard is important but it's only as important as the chip set and bios and yes we covered that some time ago. But that being said a cheap motherboard can match an expensive one in over clocking features, and all that one really needs to know about buying a decent motherboard is which makes tend to be the best.I would repeat your DUH and direct it back toward you but in your case DOH! might be more appropriate. Another point that I would like to make is that this thread wasn't started to inform people of anything but a lot of people got something from it anyway.
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Because you leave answers that are to hard for reg users to understand. And when they ask for more info... they get f.....
Give an example of where that's been done on this thread!
Besides if you want to run with the dogs then you had better stop playing with the puppies. If you find this thread too daunting then go to a beginners thread. If you've noticed AD has forums for both beginner and advanced alike and we shouldn't have to apologize to your rudeness for falling into either category.
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I thought that This Forum was for everyone and to help everyone. Not just this section, but all sections.
While that's true everyones' needs are not the same. Advanced users need a place to gather information too and if it's over your head then you're in the wrong thread but don't expect us to dumb it down for you because that wouldn't meet our needs. I seem to recall helping one advanced user on this very thread save about $1300 by informing him that he was choosing the wrong processors for what he was building. What have you done for others here at AD?
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Well back to Intel to AMD. All chips run hot... but maybe the info about removing the DIRT AND DUST FROM ALL FANS AND CPU COOLERS WOULD HELP????
I gave the remove dust and dirt advice on this thread long ago, try reading back before making a fool of yourself.
Yes most chips run hot if you compare heat to how human flesh feels it but in the world of chips the new AMD's run cool compared to Intel chips because they use lower voltage settings and leak less current. My Opteron 175 over clocked by more than 450 Mhz is still running more than 10 degrees celsius cooler than any Intel running at stock speeds.
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Didn't you read any of this thread? We did that too and AMD won at stock speeds as well but you can't discount over clocking either. The ability of a chip to be over clocked is as much a part of its quality and value as running it at stock speeds are. If you read back you'll see that Theonejrs and scubabud just to mention two are both running over clocked Intel chips.
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p.s. 1 of the best game players and is on the circuit uses ABIT MOTHERBOARD AND A INEL CHIP..FATALITY
Maybe but I'll bet that the Lion's share of gamers are running AMD chips so what's your point? And being a gamer doesn't make you an expert on PC building and speeds, most probably purchase their machines commercially or from a builder. I have nothing against Intel it's just at this time Intel does not offer the best value.
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In any case maybe I have gotten this place all wrong
Only in so far as where the real source of rudeness is coming from.
Have a good day and don't slam the door on the way out.
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27. January 2006 @ 06:45 |
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I find this thread VERY helpfull. THe people in this thread were generous to answer any question I had. Please don't bring that up again.
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27. January 2006 @ 07:38 |
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Right I think that's probably about the limit. Anyone else want to add their two cents? We could go on about baltekmi's post all day, but after all that's just dignifying complete twaddle with more responses. Leave it be and let's return to the subject of this thread, once again.
Have we got a date for Intel's 65nm chips yet?
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27. January 2006 @ 08:15 |
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27. January 2006 @ 08:48 |
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to Theonejrs: What do you use your Intel system for? I have decided to go with an AMD 939 pin based computer build but seeing your specs and seeing that outpost.com has a special for a 630 2mbcache 3.0ghz cpu and 915 based motherboard for 179.99 and that includes heatsink and fan I am atleast willing to consider a prescott now.
My purpose for my computer when I build it is mostly going to be for some photo editing, creating podcasts, blogging, emailing, high speed web surfing, pdf formatting, downloading and editing video/audio files and burning disks. I am not really a gamer so those are not my purpose but I do like to atleast have the components to experience gaming if I so choose. So with my above state desires what cpu would you guys suggest?
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27. January 2006 @ 10:28 |
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Nah, Brobear has the superior Northwood CPU. Avoid the prescotts really, what you want is really a Celeron or Sempron64 for basic stuff like photo editing and messaging. Assuming you won't be gaming they're better, cooler, quieter options. The 630 isn't a great performing PC, it'd probably only reach 80% of the speed of Brobear's Northwood, and it will need some big cooling to keep it in check, hence noise. The budget chips are cheaper, more relevant to your cause, and with a respectable heatsink, quieter too.
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27. January 2006 @ 10:31 |
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yeah the only problem is that I am not interested in a 754 pin cpu when some of the 939 with hypertransport are under $200. What Nortwood Intel, or AMD Athlon would you suggest
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27. January 2006 @ 11:39 |
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The .65 didn't prove to be all that great in tests but never let it be said that Intel is sitting on their thumbs, they've just successfully developed a .45 NM working proto type. This means that not only are we going to see multi core chips but each core is going to get faster as well.
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27. January 2006 @ 13:21 |
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I'll believe that when I see it. Can you still buy the 3800mhz Intel chip? 45 nanometer chips seem quite a way off too, think how long it was after 130nm that we went to 90... But hey, it it solves Intel's heat problem then they're back in the running big time.
As for what to buy novicebb, the Northwood stops at 3400mhz, and acts like 3400mhz. However, the 939 Athlons go all the way up to the equivalent of 4000mhz for single core and 5200mhz for dual core, so they have much more potential. Besides, the Northwood P4 is a dying breed now, brobear's chip really was a find. The best value high performance AMD is the A64 3500+, a superb processor in every aspect. I'm sure most of the people in this thread will tell you why.
The 3500 is $201.00 at newegg.com
Close enough?
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