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novicebb
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27. January 2006 @ 15:44 |
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Well the 3500 is ok but I can't truly consider the 3500+ when the San Diego Core 3700+ is available form Zipzoomfly.com for 215 dollars and you get an extra 512k of cache on that chip compared to the 3500. I think I am going to wait another month and see how far the dual core or the 3700+ goes down in price
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27. January 2006 @ 15:49 |
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My money would be on the San Diego core (3700+) for all the things that you just mentioned. But the 3500+ isn't to shabby I was able to get it to run at 2.753 Ghz stable with stock cooling.
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27. January 2006 @ 15:54 |
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Incredible! What type of board and memory did you have to get those speeds with stock fan and heatsink? I definitely plan to overclock sometime in the future to increase performance but not immediately though. Any other suggestions you have for me Sophocles
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27. January 2006 @ 15:59 |
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I've posted benchmarks at the beginning of this thread. Go back and check all of the things that we did, it's easy all you have to do is scan for screen shots. I've even posted my settings. I'm still using the same motherboard but I've upgraded to a dual core Opeteron 175 which I hit 2.7 with and am stable at 2.67. I'm bit lower because of the dual cores and a much more aggressive memory settings of 2-3-2-7 Command rate 1T. I'm pretty sure that the AMD 3700+ can hit those same speeds but you'll have to have good memory.
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27. January 2006 @ 16:10 |
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27. January 2006 @ 16:22 |
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The Nortwoods were a find. especially at those prices, $275. The extreme Northwood 478 Socket can be had for about $950 or so. I got my garden variety cheap, but Dell was asking over $700. So, those Northwoods are pricey to be as old as they are. I went that route because with the bargain priced CPU, I could upgrade from a 2.8GHz CPU up to the 3.4GHz for less than $300. With the Northwood, it was also an extra not having to add extensive cooling as needed with the Prescotts. You can ask theonejrs about that. He went with the big Zalman fan. If I hadn't already had the system, it would have been better to go with another processor.
I'm limited to 3.4GHz, but it isn't the CPU. I have a locked OEM BIOS on an OEM board. It's even limited to the Northwood processor. If it was on a good custom board, 3.6 to 3.8 should be fairly easy with air cooling. Sophocles had a 2.8 Northwood overclocked that did real well. I wouldn't advise running out to buy a Northwood setup, but if a person already has the parts, it can be some interesting fun. If I don't watch my step, I'll nickle and dime myself to death. With the processor, I thought I'd be happier with more and better memory. XMS Corsair performance 2x1GB was on sale and I couldn't resist. LOL
I'm still waiting to hear about a VapoChill on a certain Opteron. LOL
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27. January 2006 @ 16:33 |
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New and strange bench marks. As you guys know I've been experimenting with memory settings trying to find the ultimate tweak between that and CPU speed. Which is all that I can really do until I figure out a better way to cool my CPU and especially my boards chip set. When I hit over 7000 MB/S I thought that was the top. Well recently lowered my CPU speed a bit and began using more aggressive memory settings. I lost only a little in CPU performance but gained a lot in memory performance.
That's right over 10 MB/s
And I lost less than 70 mhz on CPU speed.
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27. January 2006 @ 16:47 |
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VapoChill, VapoChill, VapoChill, ... ;)
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27. January 2006 @ 16:51 |
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VapoChill, VapoChill, VapoChill, ... ;
I'm looking at one but I want one that includes memory and chipset as well. LOL
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27. January 2006 @ 17:54 |
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You're way ahead of me on this. ;) I'm just in the planning stages for a custom build and you've been doing all these custom builds and now wanting to get extreme with the cooling and OCing. LOL I'm still wondering how you sneak all that by the wife. I'd almost bet she doesn't know about Sophocles on AD and the expenditures he makes in the name of research. LOL
People have been saying to others, post your specs. I finally got around to putting some in my sig. LOL
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27. January 2006 @ 18:01 |
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Like we always said "Techno squirrely brobear nut." LOL
I have a private budget and so does my wife. We are both employed and both making above average wages. she spends her budget on frivolous items and I save to spend mine for!!!!!!!!! Well you know. LOL
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27. January 2006 @ 18:03 |
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Wine, women, beer, women, women, bourbon, women... motorcycles... PC? The wife would murder me, except for the booze, cycle and PC. LOL
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27. January 2006 @ 18:09 |
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Hmm! Right now it sounds like the only thing that you don't have are the women and your wife.LOL
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27. January 2006 @ 18:12 |
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In reality my wife and I have gotten along well for years. However at times it might be hard to prove. LOL
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27. January 2006 @ 18:19 |
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I was kidding, of course you and your wife get along. When she's asleep your awake and when she's awake you're asleep, no time to talk, no time to argue. LOL
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27. January 2006 @ 18:23 |
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Sounds as though you're a man of experience. ;) You know the secret to a blissful marriage. LOL
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27. January 2006 @ 18:30 |
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Yep! That's it! Bliss! LOL
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27. January 2006 @ 18:51 |
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Okay! This is weird, I've been testing my memory settings all evening and I'm getting some strange results. If you look at this memory bench you'll ask "what happended to the top mark and then you'll look at the floating point bench and you'll think! WTF?
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27. January 2006 @ 19:03 |
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WTF? How'd that happen?
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27. January 2006 @ 19:09 |
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I haven't a clue but my memory has been gaining on both top and bottom scores and I don't know why. If I take several samples they will vary from good to really out there. I think that it's the dual cores alternating their measures and scores which when high are freakish. I can tell when to test by my graphical response to opening and closing applications such as FireFox.
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27. January 2006 @ 19:46 |
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Weird doo. ;)
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27. January 2006 @ 21:57 |
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Novicebb,
I do quite a bit of video work. I like to do video editing where you put parts of some movie together with parts of others. Just for fun. I also do a fair amount of encoding DVDs. I've been around computers for about 20+ years and in the old days they were very expensive. I've always wanted to build a state of the art computer but the price was always too high. Today you can do it for less than a 40 MB hard drive and a 13" color monitor cost back in the mid to late 80s.
I have an Intel 3.0/HT P4 Prescott with an Asus MB and 1GB Ram (see my sig). Because of the advances in technology I can now watch high quality DVDs with Dolby surround sound with better quality than any HD TV. The computer individualy controls each and every pixel on screen to a degree that HD can't match. I have a complete Dolby PLII Stereo system to listen to a virtual library of music. I can communicate with the rest of the world and have discussions with "friends" from everywhere. Realisticly, I've acomplished this for under $1000 (USD)
In truth, I've had a lot of fun. I've come to know a great bunch of people and most of all I've learned a great deal that will continue to benefit me well into the distant future.
My next build will easily cost twice what my present system did. It will definatly be an AMD. Why??? AMD gives you more bang for the buck. Not that it is cheaper, but it is better. Think of it this way. If AMD can do the same work at 2.2Ghz that an Intel can do at say 3.4 (just a generalization) then the design just has to be better and nore efficient. I just want to be a part of the new revolution. Intel is being forced back to the drawing board for the first time in their history by a superior product. For the first time, Intel will have to follow instead of lead. When AMD wins in court Intel may even become #2. Intel dictated and made the rules for far too long. Now AMD has redefined the rules and it's a whole new ballgame!
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baltekmi,
You have spent some time reading our old posts. Problem is that you didn't learn anything along the way. You are rude and don't seem to care. If I had the power, I would ban you from this group as you don't seem to have any idea what this group is all about.
It is all about a vast wealth of knowlege that is shared by all. It is about discussion over differences and opinions. It is about learning and sharing that wealth of knowlege. It's about agreement and disagreement for the benefit of all who read this group.
Want to do something usefull? Go back and read the entire thread as I recently did. See where we started, where we've been, how we got there and what we all have learned along the way. If you can do that and not gain a little humility, then you didn't learn a thing! Just don't waste our time chewing on our collective legs.
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28. January 2006 @ 01:04 |
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I was totally unaware the 3700+ was so little more than the 3500+. I always stayed away from recommending it to people in the UK because it was quite a bit more. In fact it's currently £14.24 more here, not as much as it used to be, but i cant help but notice you mentioned it only being $14 more! Something not right here...
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28. January 2006 @ 07:09 |
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The San Diego core dropped and a faster pace than the Venice core did. The truth is that they're the same processor with different L2 cache. There are rumors that the Venice core over clocks better than the San Diego does and that the added speed gives it an advantage. But I don't believe it and if I were to purchase a single core today then I would go with the San Diego.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=ENE&N=201034...
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28. January 2006 @ 13:19 |
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I was interested by that THG article on 65nm and 45nm CPUs, the concept of an 8-core 64-bit server processor on 45nm at the turn of the decade seems mindblowing. All really depends on what sort of clock speed and performance they can get out of those things, If they're limited to like 2Ghz then it won't be so good, but I wouldn't mind betting that 45nm would enable for some big speeds, assuming the architecture is efficient.
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