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Doesn't anybody but me and BigWill think it strange, that the 965 WANTS to run between 44-46C idle? It won't even engage the fan unless the CPU tries to exceed that. Unless of course you manually tell the fan to run full board in the bios. Then it runs super cool. But it also runs rather noisy. It's ok to be somewhat noisy, IF the PC is actually working on something. My 940phenom is busting its butt right now, and is barely louder than my idle 965. Something ain't right there LOL! But the 940 system now has exceptional cooling :D Though I could upgrade one of its exhaust fans LOL!
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Indeed, but we said buy a tower cooler instead of watercooling, apart from being better value because it's also less risky :P
There's nothing risky about the Corsair Hydro Series H50 easy to install and no spills or leaks to worry about and price is not the issue for me either. I can afford it. I think that it's easy water cooling setup there is out on the market today like.I said these AMD's 965BE's c3 GM run alittle warmer than them AMD Athlon II X4 at idle. I don't what the reason could be.I see air is not good enough to cool it so Water have to do plus. I never had water cooled cpu b4 something new to try also to bad. I don't have any liquid nitrogen laying.lol
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if your still planning on graduating to 955BE CE you may as well come across some heat issues also with the HDZ955FBGMBOX and your Freezer 64 Pro won't be enough for your liking just this one is'nt to my liking in cooling this 965 of mine:(
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Doesn't anybody but me and BigWill think it strange
I guess we are the only 1's omegaman everyone's else is wearing steve wonder glasses! I don't like these temps Water Time!
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Originally posted by bigwill68:
Originally posted by sammorris:
Indeed, but we said buy a tower cooler instead of watercooling, apart from being better value because it's also less risky :P
There's nothing risky about the Corsair Hydro Series H50 easy to install and no spills or leaks to worry about and price is not the issue for me either. I can afford it. I think that it's easy water cooling setup there is out on the market today like.I said these AMD's 965BE's c3 GM run alittle warmer than them AMD Athlon II X4 at idle. I don't what the reason could be.I see air is not good enough to cool it so Water have to do plus. I never had water cooled cpu b4 something new to try also to bad. I don't have any liquid nitrogen laying.lol
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if your still planning on graduating to 955BE CE you may as well come across some heat issues also with the HDZ955FBGMBOX and your Freezer 64 Pro won't be enough for your liking just this one is'nt to my liking in cooling this 965 of mine:(
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103808
Will,
One thing is for certain, I'll know in about 2 or 3 weeks. I have a couple of high dollar laptop repairs to do, so I will have enough to spare for the 955BE. I'm even getting excited! LOL!!
Given the temperature drop I've experienced with the 630, getting the fans right, I like my chances. I'm only looking for 3.8GHz for 24/7 use anyway. Almost all I've seen will run 4.0GHz, so I'll have to see how it all works out, and then decide what speed I want to run it at full time! Right now I'm just waiting for the next sale at Newegg. BTW, does anyone know why the GI is more expensive than the GM. The better CPU is supposed to be the GM with C3 stepping. The GI model has C2!
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That is strange russ. The C3 step i've thought to be the best chip right now. In fact, it would be stupid to buy the C2 model, wouldn't it? LOL!
I don't know that I need to go water. I haven't seen my CPU exceed 51C at High high load, at 3.8Ghz, 1.375V. And actually, that may have been a Core temp. I was uncertain at that time, when measuring temps. It may have been the 49C temp that was the CPU temp. Which is pretty good for extreme load! I suppose the Tuniq is pretty good though ;) I'll have to run some tests this weekend to confirm that. I'm doing a few things this weekend. Reformatting my primary, possibly installing a new CPU fan, Rewiring, etc. Primary's getting some serious attention LOL! I suppose my car needs it too though :p
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BTW, does anyone know why the GI is more expensive than the GM. The better CPU is supposed to be the GM with C3 stepping. The GI model has C2!
I would assume they made the process cheaper to do. The same thing happened with the Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3 and its Rev 1.33 brother. I thought it was a pricing mistake until someone from the "inside" informed me that they improved the board electrically and made it cheaper to produce, so the newer and better revision was actually about $10 cheaper!
And even more credit to Gigabyte, when my original version board died they sent me a Rev. 1.33 free of charge. Wow that kind of customer service is almost uncalled for :P
Not forgetting Mushkin, Corsair, and OCZ who are notable for good customer service policy. I really appreciate it when reps are understanding and knowledgeable :)
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Cheaper to produce. Ok. That makes sense :)
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
That is strange russ. The C3 step i've thought to be the best chip right now. In fact, it would be stupid to buy the C2 model, wouldn't it? LOL!
I don't know that I need to go water. I haven't seen my CPU exceed 51C at High high load, at 3.8Ghz, 1.375V. And actually, that may have been a Core temp. I was uncertain at that time, when measuring temps. It may have been the 49C temp that was the CPU temp. Which is pretty good for extreme load! I suppose the Tuniq is pretty good though ;) I'll have to run some tests this weekend to confirm that. I'm doing a few things this weekend. Reformatting my primary, possibly installing a new CPU fan, Rewiring, etc. Primary's getting some serious attention LOL! I suppose my car needs it too though :p
Oman7,
That's exactly the same as Oxi-1 was with the Athlon 64x2 4800 in it. it would idle at 46, yet never exceeded 53C when stressed. Considering there is no AC in the front room, only a Swamp Cooler, that's pretty remarkable. That's with a single rear 80mm exhaust fan that's about 30 cfm, and a Freezer 64! Normal summer front room temps are 80-85F when it's 115F outside. I maintain about 78-80F in the summer but it takes a 8000 BTU AC unit to do it in a 12x12 room! SW exposure, so it's always the hottest room in the house.
After that earthquake in Chile, it's gotten much colder here. Even Nascar had all sorts of problems with the California 500 race, because of the cold! In 8 total years of living here, I've never see it so cold, so late in the year. It was 40F Tuesday night. It's only 47F out right now! I haven't been to a single Picnic yet this year. It's been too cold! We've only had 3 days of 80 degree weather so far this year. Oops! It's down to 46F now! Strange!
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Yah, its pretty cold here too. We've been close to freezing temps...
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
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BTW, does anyone know why the GI is more expensive than the GM. The better CPU is supposed to be the GM with C3 stepping. The GI model has C2!
I would assume they made the process cheaper to do. The same thing happened with the Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3 and its Rev 1.33 brother. I thought it was a pricing mistake until someone from the "inside" informed me that they improved the board electrically and made it cheaper to produce, so the newer and better revision was actually about $10 cheaper!
And even more credit to Gigabyte, when my original version board died they sent me a Rev. 1.33 free of charge. Wow that kind of customer service is almost uncalled for :P
Not forgetting Mushkin, Corsair, and OCZ who are notable for good customer service policy. I really appreciate it when reps are understanding and knowledgeable :)
Estuansis,
Yup, the GA-965P-DS3 Rev 1.33 was a good motherboard. I wound up with the best 965P Gigabyte ever made in the GA-965P-DS3R Rev. 1.33, which was not a US sold Revision. We briefly got the Rev. 3.33 in the US, but it wasn't as good as the Rev. 1.33 It came from Canada. You can't even find it on the US website, you have to go to the TW website to get drivers and such. Easiest build of my life and easily the best motherboard I ever owned!
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i have the h50 cooler. so simple to install, good price aswell, same as the high end air coolers. go for it. a no mess isntall!
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It depends on the overclock and the true TDP of the CPU. CPUs certified with a 130W TDP can be far less or far more. If you had a D800 series Pentium D you'd probably be seeing temps in the 60s at least. It also has a lot to do with the voltages. Don't push very hard on an overclock and the wattage of the CPU can be kept below 150W. Turn the volts and the speed right up and the TDP can shoot over 200W which leaves 92mm coolers hopelessly inadequate.
Relatively cold winter here too, several weeks of the temperature remaining between 27 and 37F, slighty warmer weather recently, but this past week has been a bit colder again. It's now noon (thereabouts) and it's 46F outside.
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About what I'd expect for performance. Given how many pre-configured systems I see leak, I'm still not risking my PC with one.
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Originally posted by sammorris:
It depends on the overclock and the true TDP of the CPU. CPUs certified with a 130W TDP can be far less or far more. If you had a D800 series Pentium D you'd probably be seeing temps in the 60s at least. It also has a lot to do with the voltages. Don't push very hard on an overclock and the wattage of the CPU can be kept below 150W. Turn the volts and the speed right up and the TDP can shoot over 200W which leaves 92mm coolers hopelessly inadequate.
Relatively cold winter here too, several weeks of the temperature remaining between 27 and 37F, slighty warmer weather recently, but this past week has been a bit colder again. It's now noon (thereabouts) and it's 46F outside.
Sam,
I agree with that 100%. While the D800's were the furnace, the D900's were just Heavy Duty heaters. It was overclocked from 3.2GHz to 3.73GHz, pulling about 165w under load. I had it as far as 2.93GHz, but as Sophocles said, "the Prescot part of the Presler reared it's ugly head". LOL!! It ran too hot! The amount of gain to be had just wasn't there, so I left it at 3.73GHz. It wasn't a particularly great encoder, other than it cut my encode time in half from the P4. 1 1/2 hours vs 3 hours. A stock 64x2 3800 could mop the floor with it encoding. It was fun to play with though, and I learned a lot from it.
Same with the 630 Quad. What I learned from it, I'll pass along to the 955BE. I have one more fan tweak to do and that's to raise both the intake and exhaust by 15 cfm by moving the Rear Silverstone to the lower front intake, and installing a Scythe Slipstream in place of the Silverstone. It should be quieter, getting the stock CM fan out of there, and it should run cooler. If it does, I'll see how it cools with the 955BE in it. Can't hurt to try! If it doesn't work out, I'll replace the CPU cooler, but not with a full tower. I won't need that much more cooling anyway. Whatever I do I'm going to have fun doing it! :)
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Pretty much, but remember the TDP of the X4 965, even with the new stepping is almost identical to that of the Presler Pentium Ds, thus, you will experience the same limitations on temperature if you don't upgrade your cooler.
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aparenlty 955 BEs are going to start comign in 95W TDPs soon
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Halfway there to beating the Q9550 then, all they need to do is get the overclocking percentage up and they're sorted, for beating a now-obsolete CPU :S
Call me a cynic, but AMD would do well to use the more efficient chips they have to put out something beyond the 965 in performance.
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Just to ad to the 955 discussion my temps at 3.8 are 37 deg with stock cooler and 33 deg with freezer 64 at 1.375 volts.Chris
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Idle temps are pretty meaningless in this context, CPUs will only ever have heat issues when under load, so that's when you test.
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Yup, the GA-965P-DS3 Rev 1.33 was a good motherboard. I wound up with the best 965P Gigabyte ever made in the GA-965P-DS3R Rev. 1.33, which was not a US sold Revision. We briefly got the Rev. 3.33 in the US, but it wasn't as good as the Rev. 1.33 It came from Canada. You can't even find it on the US website, you have to go to the TW website to get drivers and such. Easiest build of my life and easily the best motherboard I ever owned!
It was my first Intel chipset build and one of the easiest configs I ever set up. I loved the board and I loved its P35 cousin even more. Even better is that the P35 was based on the v1.33 revision changes :)
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Will,
One thing is for certain, I'll know in about 2 or 3 weeks. I have a couple of high dollar laptop repairs to do, so I will have enough to spare for the 955BE. I'm even getting excited! LOL!!
Given the temperature drop I've experienced with the 630, getting the fans right, I like my chances. I'm only looking for 3.8GHz for 24/7 use anyway. Almost all I've seen will run 4.0GHz, so I'll have to see how it all works out, and then decide what speed I want to run it at full time! Right now I'm just waiting for the next sale at Newegg. BTW, does anyone know why the GI is more expensive than the GM. The better CPU is supposed to be the GM with C3 stepping. The GI model has C2!
Best Regards,
Russ
Russ, I believe you have good temps now because you have a cache 2 chip Athlon onboard at the moment,But if you go with a C3 955BE GM chip in 2 to 3 weeks your gonna be fighting to get your idle temps down like you have with the C2 Athlon II X4 630 chip and your fans in your case will be setup the same, Russ...I just wanna know are the C3 chips ment to run warmer than the C2 chips and the only way to find out in contact AMD them self to find the truth but as people have said the C3's are better that means they Cramed the extra things into the chip without any head room to breath.not to be off subject but,I found out along time ago to make a Old ford engine to run good it needs to breath right and enough water and anti freeze to get it cool so am I comparing this chip to and engine? yes in same ways. I am cause I'm asking more from it in horse power it demands more to cool it you gonna look at it from some points of view what produces heat? friction,sun light,stress what can cool these things air and water among other things, sorry but from all my cpu's, I buy always ask for atlease another Ghz out of them if close to it right now. I'm satisfied with Q9550 Oc'd at 3935ghz that's + 1105ghz over factory at 1.296v and stable all day long and the temps way much lower,I'm more than pleased, now the Amd at 3.4ghz at the box should'en have no problem reaching 3.9ghz right? wrong it takes almost max voltage to hold it there stable 1.392v that should be a walk in the park for amd to get 0.5 ghz out of it with that much voltage
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now explain to me how it's meaningless when you gotta raise volts to keep the cpu stable at idle on a overclocking basic also the temps are not the same as factory specs temps either as volts raise temps do to More heat involed at idle...
anyway here's a shot this morning firing up my AMD rig this is the lowest. I ever saw it sense putting the new freezer 64 on it from the stock cooler it comes to show which one is telling the truth here core temp or everest? I woke up to a cool room this morning also with the window open and the sun not up yet so that means over night cool air got inside the case over night and another question how long does it take for thermal paste to cure ?
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If you have to raise voltage to keep the CPU stable at idle, the voltage wasn't high enough. That doesn't mean it overheated. No CPU overheats at idle unless you're being insanely stupid. For example, using no fan on your heatsink and turning the volts up to 1.6.
It's well publicised that AMD CPUs aren't good overclockers, so you can't expect an extra 1Ghz out of them like you can Intel chips. Generally, 3.9Ghz is pretty difficult with most AMDs, 3.7-3.8 is about the best you can achieve easily, but that goes for almost every CPU, so no real reason to buy the expensive ones. This is also typically the case with i5s and i7s, buy the cheapest if you're overclocking, now that FSB and multipliers are no longer an issue you don't need to buy big to perform big.
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Originally posted by sammorris:
If you have to raise voltage to keep the CPU stable at idle, the voltage wasn't high enough. That doesn't mean it overheated. No CPU overheats at idle unless you're being insanely stupid. For example, using no fan on your heatsink and turning the volts up to 1.6.
It's well publicised that AMD CPUs aren't good overclockers, so you can't expect an extra 1Ghz out of them like you can Intel chips. Generally, 3.9Ghz is pretty difficult with most AMDs, 3.7-3.8 is about the best you can achieve easily, but that goes for almost every CPU, so no real reason to buy the expensive ones. This is also typically the case with i5s and i7s, buy the cheapest if you're overclocking, now that FSB and multipliers are no longer an issue you don't need to buy big to perform big.
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reverse that you normally have to raise the voltage to achieve a good and stable Oc but temperature increase also fellows the voltage increase beyond the normal factory specs that's why we have the option of manual voltage settings to calibrate the right voltages + or - to figure out which is able enough to hold the cpu stable + = more heat - = less heat when in(Auto) some boards wants to kick the voltages up over factory limits on Oc'ing that's where manual comes in where we can take control matter and 3.9ghz was'nt difficult for me it just took more volts than. I realized to hold it stable without goin over the factory voltage spec of 1.4v at 1.392v at 3903ghz with the multiplier at 18.5 is'nt bad for me and yes the theory is true AMD cpu's don't make good overclockers it takes way more juice to do so beyond there limits unless you want to burn them up and. I don't want to burn this one just reduce the heat with water instead of Air
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no some people buy to what they like and what they can afford you like alot things. I don't care for and vice a verser as long as we are both happy with what we got and what we use them for who are we to argue but there's always that last word to fellow Opinions that's where high raises among us here Sam all.I'm saying is that if Corsair backs it's words in proformance and the product Corsair makes the Hydro Series H50 out performs the High Performance Air coolers like tuniq or others why not they have proven the fact many times Corsair have showed significant improvements over traditional air-based CPU coolers. I don't understand you, You have alwaysBacked there PSU's so many times in debates but leave them in this issue of cooling, I'm a backer of Cooler Master in there products and some maybe better than others but there cases are Top Dog in my book oops my opinion I'll get the H50 and past on the info and maybe it will work or maybe not if so there's always the receipt to return and if it works out well with cooling the C3 965 maybe omegaman may get him 1 after see's the results of these very Hot 965BE's C3's
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You've completely misunderstood, of course raising the voltage raises the temperatures, but even so, a CPU shouldn't overheat at idle, ever!
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