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3. April 2010 @ 19:11 |
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sam stable and tempratures are different :P unless you meant keep the temps stable at idle. when you say keep a CPU at stable at idle, i would assume stability and not temps.
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4. April 2010 @ 10:04 |
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Well the cooling problem is solved after getting off the phone last night with Russ, I remembered. I had another cooler laying no need to spend 80 bucks on a water cooler and it dropped my temps by 12 degrees idle from 46 to 34 give or take this morning,It's the cooler you all hated back in the day on the Biostar I45 build along with the E8400 EO but. I found out that 4 pipes work better than 3 with this AMD 965BE C3 with it's heat issues,I'm a happy camper now Russ. I suggest 4 pipes with your upgrade to a 955BE C3 also. I'm running a intake & exhaust fan mounted on the cooler 120mm. I got more enough room to work with after install temps where 36c at start up idle stress level did'nt go past 58c yesterday this morning after cool down last night start up was 34c all. I can say and admit, I was wrong about the air not cooling this Hot Puppy,But. I do suggest 4 pipes for these C3's and 120mm fans good luck with those 92mm. I don't thing they will be enough...
my old boy here got the job done and it was just laying around collecting dust:)
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slide show of work done new arctic silver thermal paste applied
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Ps. this item is for sale along with it's buddy..lol both are brand new
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4. April 2010 @ 10:08 |
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Even though it's not a very good 120mm cooler, it's still a 120mm cooler, which will be better than any 92mm cooler. Unless you're going for big clocks (i.e. 4Ghz plus) you'll be fine with the 212 I'm sure. Getting beyond 4Ghz requires huge voltages though which require the best 120/140mm coolers, and beyond that water cooling.
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4. April 2010 @ 10:32 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Even though it's not a very good 120mm cooler, it's still a 120mm cooler, which will be better than any 92mm cooler. Unless you're going for big clocks (i.e. 4Ghz plus) you'll be fine with the 212 I'm sure. Getting beyond 4Ghz requires huge voltages though which require the best 120/140mm coolers, and beyond that water cooling.
Good enough for the Amd 965BE C3 GM at 3.9ghz stable at 1.392v 24/7 no blue screens of death here. I back cooler master parts.I'll put it side by side with the best of them you see Artic Cooler did'nt get the job done and alot of people brag about them goe's to show you it did'nt handle well under stress and displacment another words it did'nt handle the volume of heat let out. I don't plan to go to 4.0ghz staying right here at 3.9ghz it will have to take 1.4v to ride at 4.0ghz and above no need to burn up a cpu for really nothing to gain pasted it's factory voltage specs...
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4. April 2010 @ 11:03 |
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Well, hardly fair, you're comparing a high-end large cooler to a midrange medium size cooler, so it's unsurprising that the Coolermaster wins. As it turns out the Freezer Extreme is pretty naff, and CM's top-end coolers are better. Overall though, neither of the two brands produce the best quality cooling gear. That acclaim goes to proper cooling manufacturers like Tuniq, Thermalright, Prolimatech and Noctua.
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4. April 2010 @ 14:01 |
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4. April 2010 @ 14:06 |
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Prolimatech design Intel coolers first and foremost, so they don't come compatible with AMDs initially. Noctua, Thermalright and Tuniq, however, build coolers for both companies.
You happen to have chosen the largest of Noctua's coolers, the best performer, but the NH-U12P is the most common:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608014
The 'backplate required' is given as I think some boards come with a backplate mounting mechanism already.
Newegg, until very recently it seems, had an embargo on Thermalright products due to a trade disagreement. Perhaps this has now been resolved and some products have started trickling in. Either way, the Ultra-120 Rev. C, which fits AMDs out of the box, is not there yet.
As for the Tuniq, you've picked the Extreme version, which unfortunately, is crap. The original Tuniq Tower is fine, reasonably sized, and although tricky to mount, seems a reliable performer.
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4. April 2010 @ 14:11 |
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BigWill, I'm running the regular Tuniq tower, and it's nearly as large? Not sure about their differences. I was iffy about the size and my mobo being able to support it. Both appear to be sturdy. The board did not flex. I'm quite pleased with its performance. I am however tempted to run either its stock fan, or another to a manual fan controller. I don't like that the CPU WANTS to run between 44-46C idle. VERY weird. I realize the idle temp is not critical, but darn it, if I allow it to heat up, the room also heats up LOL! Since I've lowered the Secondaries temps, my room is noticeably cooler, which is good for both pc's ;)
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4. April 2010 @ 15:44 |
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4. April 2010 @ 15:56 |
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The D14 is a very powerful cooler, that doesn't surprise me.
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4. April 2010 @ 17:51 |
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Hey Sam,
If the Freezer 64 proves a problem, size is a problem for me, specifically, the distance between the CPU socket and the side cover. This is the only one I could find in a 4 pipe cooler that will fit without removing the side top 80mm exhaust fan, and I don't want to do that if I can help it!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608016
What do you think? Probably single fan!
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4. April 2010 @ 19:27 |
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Far better than the Freezer 7, worth a try, but don't expect it to allow large voltage increases.
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4. April 2010 @ 19:35 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
BigWill, I'm running the regular Tuniq tower, and it's nearly as large? Not sure about their differences. I was iffy about the size and my mobo being able to support it. Both appear to be sturdy. The board did not flex. I'm quite pleased with its performance. I am however tempted to run either its stock fan, or another to a manual fan controller. I don't like that the CPU WANTS to run between 44-46C idle. VERY weird. I realize the idle temp is not critical, but darn it, if I allow it to heat up, the room also heats up LOL! Since I've lowered the Secondaries temps, my room is noticeably cooler, which is good for both pc's ;)
Some of those coolers looks like size of a engine block hanging off your board.lol maybe that's why they making these boards these days with 2oz Copper inner layer to support the weight. I though...I was the only one that like manual fan controllers, I forget what case you have you may have to do a fan adjustment to get the flow right...I did some testing of Prime95 before,I left today about alittle after 1 hour worth and was very happy did'nt pass 60c on stress lov'in it
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4. April 2010 @ 19:45 |
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I can't live without manual fan controllers, the fans I use are too noisy to leave at full speed, and too powerful to run off a motherboard. They're really handy devices.
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4. April 2010 @ 19:58 |
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I don't suppose you would trust the cheapy controller that came with the Tuniq, would you?
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4. April 2010 @ 20:08 |
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Well, it will work fine with the fan on a Tuniq, but suffice to say I wouldn't use it on a pair of 1900rpm slipstreams as I do with channels 1 & 5 on my Rheobus Extreme.
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4. April 2010 @ 20:10 |
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Speaking of fan controller's, what are some good one's (preferably without lights)? Probably going to be getting one of them and some crazy powerful fans as my next upgrade since my currant fans push almost no air lol.
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4. April 2010 @ 20:12 |
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Most unlit fan controllers are quite weak. However, the original Sunbeam Rheobus, though the LEDs are almost certainly bright enough to cause severe eye damage if stared into, they can be removed easily, without any modifications necessary.
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4. April 2010 @ 20:15 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Well, it will work fine with the fan on a Tuniq, but suffice to say I wouldn't use it on a pair of 1900rpm slipstreams as I do with channels 1 & 5 on my Rheobus Extreme.
So it would overload the controller then(Multiples)? I'm afraid money is really tight right now. I could be into a supremo controller in a few weeks. What's the TOP DOG that you would recommend? Keeping in mind, that the CPU is what I chiefly wish to control ;)
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4. April 2010 @ 20:16 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
I don't suppose you would trust the cheapy controller that came with the Tuniq, would you?
I rather go this route
Originally posted by Red_Maw:
Speaking of fan controller's, what are some good one's (preferably without lights)? Probably going to be getting one of them and some crazy powerful fans as my next upgrade since my currant fans push almost no air lol.
it kinda hard to find any without lights these days plus they make your case look nice also
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4. April 2010 @ 20:18 |
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Not really anything wrong with it. I just prefer to let my board control the fan speed. Let my case fans run full-out and let my board/temps control the Tuniq's fan speed. I prefer hands-free operation after the initial setup and a manual dial does not let me do that. Noise levels stay tame under idle and reasonable under load.
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4. April 2010 @ 20:25 |
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Get a 965 C3 Phenom, and then tell me you want your board to control the fan speed :p It's very strange LOL! I don't blame the tuniq, because apparently my situation is not uncommon...
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4. April 2010 @ 20:36 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Most unlit fan controllers are quite weak. However, the original Sunbeam Rheobus, though the LEDs are almost certainly bright enough to cause severe eye damage if stared into, they can be removed easily, without any modifications necessary.
Thanks sam. Is the original link? Cheap enough to buy two without breaking the bank, unlike the fans it will be controlling lol.
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4. April 2010 @ 20:48 |
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4. April 2010 @ 21:01 |
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Maw: Correct (the LEDs on the ZM-MFC1 will recommends are quite expensive, and the MFC1 is a weaker controller. I do own one, however, as they were cheap in the UK for a time)
Omega: I own the latter. They are both identical aside from colour and are also excellent controllers. However, I do not believe the LEDs are removable on the extreme. They are fortunately not as bright (and brightness scales with voltage, instead of colour with the original), but they still put out a lot of light.
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