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The Official OC (OverClocking) Thread!
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novadrago
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17. February 2007 @ 05:56 |
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wow ok might consider this one, cheers. So is this one capatible for overclocking and overall is this a good computer since im not the technical type so I dont know so is this good compared to the other one I suggested.
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17. February 2007 @ 06:09 |
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novadrago
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17. February 2007 @ 06:20 |
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OMG all that info was way over my head! I just realised how much there is to understand, cheers for saving my wallet and if I buy those components will I have to build it myself if so is there a guide to show me as I always just got an already built machine.
Also are those components the best in the market right now?
I can't thank you enough.
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17. February 2007 @ 06:41 |
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I agree with the comment about the HP system, they are okay for switch on a away you go, but the OC'ing will be nill most likely as the system will have a locked BIOS again.
Where abouts are u in UK? I'm in Basingstoke, if you were local I'd help build it, otherwise would provide remote assistance.
Building a system is very straight forward, and if you give some notice to what you intend to use, then we can provide assistance to get it done, such a boot disks etc...
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17. February 2007 @ 06:45 |
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There are some better and worse components than those in that list, but the idea was to show you how much cheaper building your own PC is to getting one pre-made from PC world. Hence the components are the same as in the Scan 3XS system you were shown. You save £189 on that deal alone.
You can get a significantly cheaper PSU than that that will still be very good, for example the Hiper Type-R 580W unit is available for around £55 these days, and I don't know whether you need a 400GB hard disk or not. I personally would also do away with the X-Fi sound card, I think they're over the top for games usage, a simple Sound Blaster Audigy card will do fine. If you, for example only need a 250GB hard disk and go with that hiper power supply, use a more basic sound card and a cheaper brand monitor you could save somewhere in the region of £100-£150 on that price I quoted you in my last post. That would be a pretty decent PC too. Or of course you could use the money saved to get better components!
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17. February 2007 @ 06:51 |
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Without sounding big-headed I will simply like the best in the market right know and if anyone is able to provide a list of parts needed for a complete computer just like sammorris did then I can just order all the parts and then build it.
I will just like a computer with all the functions like the one I suggested eg two optical drives but with the best parts. So if anyone can supply me with the list to order that wil be great since Im willing to shed out £1500
Sorry BigDK I live in portsmouth which is about an 1hour away from basinstoke but thanks for the invitation.
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17. February 2007 @ 07:04 |
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£1500? This is going to be fun.
You can get a PC astonishingly faster than that HP system for that money. I didn't pay much more than that and I've got a 30" monitor.
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17. February 2007 @ 07:43 |
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If you want the best available, then you need more money.
Heres what is good and worth looking at.
All the major retailers stock them, so you need to do a search to see where you can get what bits at the best prices.
Intel Core 2 Extreme Quad-Core QX6700, 775, 2.66 GHz, 1066MHz FSB, 8MB Cache, OEM
£609.83
Better off with the E6600 at £180
HDDs but Seagate now have some 15.4K spindle 150GB drive at over £400 a pop.
150 Gb Western Digital WD1500ADFD Raptor Enterprise, SATA150, 10000 rpm, 16MB Cache, 4.6 ms, NCQ x2 in RAID0 @ £139.83 each Total £280
Corsair 2GB DDR2 XMS2 Dominator PC2-8888C4 4-4-4-12 £420
Or something slightly cheaper
Corsair 2GB TwinX DDR2 XMS2, PC8500 (1066) CAS 5-5-5-15, EPP £223.24
Best PSU out at the moment (but bloody big)
1000W Enermax EG1000EWL V2 Galaxy Modular PSU 85% Eff' EPS12v Triple Quad +24 Rails Silent x2 Fan £217.38
1xGPU but could go to 2 of these
768MB EVGA 8800GTX KO Superclocked PCI-E 2000MHz GPU 626MHz 128Streams Dual DVI-I/HDTV ACS3 Arctic C £422.86
Monitor (nice)
30" Dell 3007WFP TFT ,VGA/DVI, 2560x1600 ,11 ms ,700:1 ,400 cd/m2 ,Grey £938.83
Case is very personal, but make sure it?s big enough and is easy to work with rather than just pretty to look at.
Zalman FC-ZE1 Fatal1ty Champion Computer Enclosure £240
Or something cheaper but big enough
CoolerMaster Stacker 810 Black 11 Bays w/o PSU £103.42
Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi Elite Pro £205 (but any X-Fi card is worth paying for)
Creative GigaWorks 5.1 G500 THX® Pro Gamer Speakers £170 (7.1 or wireless also available)
Asustek S775 nForce 680i STRIKER EXTREME £218.53 (now performing well and loaded with features.
Personal view is not worth the money, but any top Asus board such as Commando, P5WDH will work well and over-clock like stink.
Plextor PX-716SA DVD RW £76 (PX-800A just coming out)
Worth also getting a DVD ROM as well.
Liteon SHD-16P1S is about £10 and very reliable.
1.44Mb Sony Floppy Disk Drive OEM £4.10
Again, personal, but worth getting wireless (I use MS Elite)
Logitech Cordless Desktop MX 5000 Keyboard/Mouse £86.35
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17. February 2007 @ 08:01 |
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On the subject of overclocking, I decided just for giggles to overclock my 4300 with single channel RAM. It seems stable enough (ran 3dmark, haven't run Prime95 or OCCT yet). What I've noticed is, with a 25% overclock to 2.25Ghz it seems alright, but that's 1000mhz FSB. So much as 1mhz above that, and it doesn't even POST. Is there something that inhibits booting above a 1ghz FSB that I should be aware of other than I'm running single channel memory?
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17. February 2007 @ 08:29 |
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no offence intended here.
i only pointed you to the 3xs as it is a good starting point (much better than the hp) and it gives you full custimization as you can add or remove other parts as you wish. add the fact that its built for you, which is what i assumed you was after. now you if you want to build your own thats a whole other story.
building your own will save you alot of money and it gives you a good sense of acheivement when you use it.
all of the parts above are good choices imo but if you want to do some gaming i would recomend a wired kboard and mouse, the split second of lag with wireless can be the difference between killing and being killed.
£1500 will get you a top end machine and the ways you could go are almost endless. if you have any questions we will be more than happy to help.
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17. February 2007 @ 09:31 |
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Is that why I always end up dead?
And I thought it was because I was crap, I knew it must be the tools to blame not me!
I have thought about a gaming mouse/keyboard but never got around to it, my last purchase on that line was an EverGlide Titan mouse mat.
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17. February 2007 @ 10:08 |
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Hmm, I must say since changing to a gaming keyboard and mouse I have improved a lot, but then I've had more practice.
Anyhow, this board is odd.
I changed the multiplier to 8, then tried going past 1000mhz again, this time it worked, so i set the multiplier back to 9 and it still worked. Now I can get as far as 1166mhz with 9x multiplier... it's all or nothing, either it boots to windows fine, or it doesn't even POST, no in-between like before where you might get a crash on the windows xp splash screen...
26 second superpi, down from 40 or so with my X2 before, I'm impressed seeing as this CPU cost me half as much as my 4200+.
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17. February 2007 @ 11:05 |
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R U running 2x256MB ram or a single stick?
The board should be able to get to a stable fsb of about 475+ giving a q-pumped fsb speed of 1900+.
What BIOS is loaded on the board? & what settings do you have in the BIOS?
Also what stepping is the CPU?
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17. February 2007 @ 11:09 |
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17. February 2007 @ 11:12 |
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sam,
You won't be sorry with the better/more memory.
Rig #1 Asus Rampage Formula Mobo, Intel Core2Quad Q9450 CPU @ 3.55ghz, 2gb Corsair DDR2 1066 Dominator Ram @ 5-5-5-15, TR Ultra 120 Extreme w/ Scythe 9 blade 110 cfm 120mm Fan HSF, HIS Radeon 512mb HD3850 IceQ TurboX GPU, Corsair 620HX P/S, CM Stacker 830 Evo Case, Rig #2 Asus P5W DH Deluxe Mobo, Intel C2D E6600 CPU @ 3.6ghz, 2gb Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 Ram @ 4-4-4-12-2t, Zalman CNPS9500LED HSF, Sapphire Radeon X850XT PE GPU, Corsair 620HX P/S, Cooler Master Mystique Case, Viewsonic 20.1" Widescreen Digital LCD Monitor, Klipsch Promedia Ultra 5.1 THX Desktop Speakers, http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=348351 http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=236435 |
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17. February 2007 @ 11:14 |
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Precisely, my PC runs nowhere near as good with a quarter of the RAM (even before the commit charge is above 512M) even though my 3dmark06 score has gone up by 1000.
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novadrago
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17. February 2007 @ 12:55 |
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Wow I gonna order those parts now and I hope I could play with it for some time anyway I got a few questions to ask.
1. So does the parts allow overclocking if so do you guys reckon its necessary.
2. I found this site to build my own pc since its my first time and was wondering if it misses anything out. http://www.buildyourown.org.uk/ if its no good what guide do you guys suggests.
3. Are the parts suggested by BigDK enough to build a fully working pc and does it include like windows xp.
4. I take it from all the advice you guys build your own pc so I was wondering if anything go wrong with it, so if your pc stops working how do you guys fix it?
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17. February 2007 @ 14:06 |
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If anything goes wrong, ask us here. Most of us rely on our own knowledge to get us out of holes, but there's nothing that can't be solved by looking it up or asking here. The realistic components BigDK listed are pretty decent, but obviously there are a few components in the dream league, so you'll need to scale back to whatever you can afford. Personally I'd recommend:
Core 2 Duo E6600
Asus P5WD-H Deluxe
2x1GB Corsair XMS2 PC-6400 CAS4
BFG 8800GTX OC
Sound Blaster Audigy 4
Thermaltake Toughpower / OCZ GameXStream 700W PSU (the enermax is overkill in my opinion)
NEC ND-5170 DVD writer (I never saw a reason to spend an extra £60 on a Plextor drive)
Western Digital Caviar SE16 500GB - lots of storage, Raptors are again overkill
As for the case, up to you.
check out:
NZXT Lexa
Antec Nine Hundred
Coolermaster Stacker 830
Thermaltake Tsunami
Coolermaster Centurion 530
among others.
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17. February 2007 @ 14:23 |
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Good choices. Intel E6600 def. best bang for the buck. Everybody has their own preferances. The asus P5W DH Deluxe already has very good onboard audio and you could most likely do without a sound card (up front anyway). I personally prefer lite-on dvdrw drives. Another case to consider is the cooler master mystique. I really like mine.
Rig #1 Asus Rampage Formula Mobo, Intel Core2Quad Q9450 CPU @ 3.55ghz, 2gb Corsair DDR2 1066 Dominator Ram @ 5-5-5-15, TR Ultra 120 Extreme w/ Scythe 9 blade 110 cfm 120mm Fan HSF, HIS Radeon 512mb HD3850 IceQ TurboX GPU, Corsair 620HX P/S, CM Stacker 830 Evo Case, Rig #2 Asus P5W DH Deluxe Mobo, Intel C2D E6600 CPU @ 3.6ghz, 2gb Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 Ram @ 4-4-4-12-2t, Zalman CNPS9500LED HSF, Sapphire Radeon X850XT PE GPU, Corsair 620HX P/S, Cooler Master Mystique Case, Viewsonic 20.1" Widescreen Digital LCD Monitor, Klipsch Promedia Ultra 5.1 THX Desktop Speakers, http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=348351 http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=236435 |
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17. February 2007 @ 18:35 |
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novadrago,
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if its no good what guide do you guys suggests.
Trust me when I say at best the guide from buildyourown is poor. It just lacks way too much detail like case fan positioning. Since I have only seen 1 set of screw-in nylon standoffs they should have at least mentioned that they were brass. Then you can't make a mistake. I personally think it's best to install the CPU, memory and CPU cooler before installing the motherboard in the case. In the case of the CPU cooler, it makes a "most-times" trying job easy by the access you have to otherwise tight places with the MB in the case!
Woefully Inadequate guide and not recomended for Newbbs!
Hey Crowy!!
Don't you have an opposite to your "Crowy Seal of Approval"? This guide definetely deserves it. I see what they tried to do, they dummied it down! They just went too far down the scale of what's left! Problem is in doing it they lost so much information needed by a newbbe, to understand what they are talking about. I laugh most times when I read guides like this, but then again I've been building computers since 89, and messing around with them since as early as 83!
From a Timex/Sinclair to a Dual-Core Intel in 24 years! From 3.5MHz to 3.6GHz! Wow!!!
Happy Computering,
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17. February 2007 @ 19:19 |
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the guide...hhmmmm...i would say its showing its age (isa anyone?) and not in a good way, but it does seem to cover all the basics.
everyone has there own way to do things and somtimes the situation dictates it you just need to look for any possible problem so you can think your way around it.
i think most of it would stand up to a build today but some of it is now usless. most good cases sold now are "toolless" so things like dvd and hard drives are mounted with push clips or slide rails not screws. these are things you find out when you get the case home as most have quite good guides for instalation.
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novadrago
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17. February 2007 @ 22:36 |
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Thanks sammorris for that list, so is the list complete so if I got all the parts thats my pc done?
Also sammorris I realised that you listed alot of different cases and do they all meet the specification for the parts you suggested since I found out certain cases can only fix certain parts.
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18. February 2007 @ 03:36 |
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Most cases fit most components, the only problems people ever seem to have with them is that the enermax galaxy power supply is very long and can't be used in conjunction with a top case fan, and that the 8800GTX graphics card is very long and people moan about it not fitting. Usually what happens though is that it needs to be mounted before the hard disks and you'll do alright.
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18. February 2007 @ 04:28 |
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There was no operating system listed, you need to decide what you want to use.
Personally I would go with either XP Pro 32 bit edition, or Vista Home premium edition 32 bit.
Either way, go for an OEM version, as the retail is just adding a nice box, a manual and limited support.
All you need is the operating system, and the licence key that goes with it.
If you go with the P5WDH then I can give you a very simple guide to building it, and also plenty of BIOS tweaks to enable over clocking.
As for 'is over clocking required' probably not, but if you can do it why not?
You may want to get an anti-static wrist strap and some Arctic Silver 5 thermal paste, some thermal cleaning liquid and purifier.
Also better off getting an after market CPU cooler.
These are cheap and very effective.
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductIn...roductID=340995
If you're only playing games and not going to use the system for burning films and games, then it won't matter what make of burner you get, if you also want to produce quality DVds then I would always recommend Plextor as they produce very low errors when burning.
Your unlikely to see any of these errors with the human eye, but if you run the dusks through a scanning program then cheaper burners will give more PIE PIF errors
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novadrago
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18. February 2007 @ 09:43 |
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oh ok now im finally starting to buy parts and was wondering where can I find a decent site to do this. I live in the UK so uk sites only please.
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