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The Official PC building thread - 4th Edition
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3. August 2012 @ 03:57 |
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3. August 2012 @ 17:15 |
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So Windows 8 RTM is out and apparently it's just awesome if you disable the Metro UI through a hack. Heard enough good about it where I think it's worth looking into. Will be trying it shortly. Have heard good things about lower resource usage, higher performance, faster boots, more streamlined coding etc.
Supposedly at it's core Windows 8 is more like Windows 7 v2.0
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3. August 2012 @ 17:21 |
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With no real sign of major growth in per-disk sizes for hard disks, I'm looking at my options for expanding my file server.
Been eyeing up some rackmount cases (even though I don't own a rack, they're the most efficient for highest number of drives per case), but there isn't really any viable option that isn't extremely expensive versus the current interim plan, to split up the server into two separate units using regular ATX cases.
Anybody got any thoughts to offer on this?
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3. August 2012 @ 17:27 |
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Get the highest capacity ATX cases you can and put low-powered, quiet internals in them. Then simply use them as file boxes period.
I may be waiting a while for Windows 8 I guess. Apparently the Metro UI is currently forced on with no way of disabling it right now. Microsoft's imminent failed product and 3rd party hackers will probably have this sorted quickly.
MS needs to release Metro and Win 8 Desktop as two separate OSes I think.
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3. August 2012 @ 17:35 |
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One of the ideas I had was to get a Lian-Li PC-P50 and stick three IB-545 units in them so I'd have 15 drives sitting in the 5.25" bays. However, the total cost of that comes to about £400, which is fast becoming real rackmount territory!
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3. August 2012 @ 17:46 |
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I just store my full hard drives in those anti static cases. They're pretty cheap @ meritline most the time. If you don't mind waiting 2 weeks for them. I'll probably be locating another Sata dock in the near future. One that supports 3Tb+ ;)
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3. August 2012 @ 19:05 |
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Still contemplating the use of those for the backup disks, but this of course is for live storage.
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3. August 2012 @ 19:25 |
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In my case, I don't require any more than 3Tb of live storage. I imagine that will change with time. Any more than 3, would just be a convenience factor ;)
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3. August 2012 @ 21:23 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
I may be waiting a while for Windows 8 I guess. Apparently the Metro UI is currently forced on with no way of disabling it right now. Microsoft's imminent failed product and 3rd party hackers will probably have this sorted quickly.
MS needs to release Metro and Win 8 Desktop as two separate OSes I think.
I don't have anything for disabling Metro just yet, but I can tell you several ways to get a start menu back if that's good enough. I know a few methods that still work in the RTM. I simply don't use Metro because I have a start menu, the task bar, and the desktop to launch applications from. I see little reason to use Metro since MS didn't optimize it for the PC well and it really isn't necessary to use Windows 8. I can also tell how to get the quick launch back too.
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3. August 2012 @ 21:42 |
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3. August 2012 @ 22:16 |
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Originally posted by ddp:
Blazorthon, post that info in this link which is about win8.
http://forums.afterdawn.com/forum_view.cfm/299
Sure. I'll have a full guide on how to get a start menu up either overnight or tomorrow morning. I'll update the thread with other such tricks as I come across them.
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3. August 2012 @ 22:27 |
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ok.
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3. August 2012 @ 22:36 |
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@sam
If you see your need for storage expanding further in the future I'd just bite the bullet and get a rackmount since you will eventually use it. It's expensive but buying a case, drive bay converters, etc., is practically money down the drain if you exceed the capacity of the case.
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3. August 2012 @ 23:38 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
One of the ideas I had was to get a Lian-Li PC-P50 and stick three IB-545 units in them so I'd have 15 drives sitting in the 5.25" bays. However, the total cost of that comes to about £400, which is fast becoming real rackmount territory!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811517004
That case with ten of these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817993031
could hold nineteen 3.5" drives for $235 not including shipping/tax and including them for my area as well as the case's MIR, it would still be under $275. Maybe there are similar options without exorbitant prices if you know where to look. Would something like this work for you if it was available, or am I mistaking your goal?
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4. August 2012 @ 05:13 |
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I don't have anything for disabling Metro just yet, but I can tell you several ways to get a start menu back if that's good enough. I know a few methods that still work in the RTM. I simply don't use Metro because I have a start menu, the task bar, and the desktop to launch applications from. I see little reason to use Metro since MS didn't optimize it for the PC well and it really isn't necessary to use Windows 8. I can also tell how to get the quick launch back too.
Metro UI is essentially useless for desktop users. It's cluttered, doesn't multitask well, and severely hampers productivity. I have tried Metro in older revisions and it was VERY frustrating to use. It reminds me heavily of iOS ie it's probably AWESOME for tablets and other portables.
My issue is that Metro can't be disabled completely. I'd love to be able to use it in a pure desktop mode with no Metro elements at all but that wasn't even possible with the earlier revisions. You could only "hide" it. If I'm not using it, it seems like a waste of resources and processing power. With Metro entirely gone it could be a wonderfully lightweight and snappy OS. It already is, so the potential is there. I've heard that it does basically everything better from boot times to program starts to gaming. I tried it on a friend's PC and the only game he showed me was BF3 on a single 6970 and he claims it gave a pretty decent boost.
I'm not a technological luddite or anything like others have called me. Metro UI simply sucks for desktops.
Also all this Windows Live integration and cloud storage BS is incredibly insecure and I do NOT like the idea of tying my OS to an online account. I have worked very hard to avoid this as much as possible and Windows 8 basically forces it for some features. I'd have to try it more myself but I do not like the sound of it. Cloud anything is pretty stupid in the world of untrustworthy companies.
If we could simply get a reworked and optimized version of Windows 7 I would be a happy camper. Otherwise there is no compelling reason for me to upgrade. In the scope of things Windows 7 is still pretty new and supports basically everything. I feel it's going to become the new Windows XP if MS doesn't take the hint and un-f*** Win 8.
Would rather go back to Vista than use Windows 8's Metro UI. Granted Vista has been upgraded vastly and is basically a slightly less lightweight version of Windows 7 now.
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4. August 2012 @ 05:41 |
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Originally posted by Blazorthon:
Originally posted by sammorris:
One of the ideas I had was to get a Lian-Li PC-P50 and stick three IB-545 units in them so I'd have 15 drives sitting in the 5.25" bays. However, the total cost of that comes to about £400, which is fast becoming real rackmount territory!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811517004
That case with ten of these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817993031
could hold nineteen 3.5" drives for $235 not including shipping/tax and including them for my area as well as the case's MIR, it would still be under $275. Maybe there are similar options without exorbitant prices if you know where to look. Would something like this work for you if it was available, or am I mistaking your goal?
I don't think so - the 3.5" and 5.25" bays share the same space, it's EITHER 10 3.5" drives or 9 5.25" bays, not both!
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4. August 2012 @ 07:11 |
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I'm kind of partial to this type of mass storage solution but ot comes at a price.
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I would only consider Win 8 if you can permanently disable the Metro nonsense, which I'm sure we will be able to do once we get to play with it some.
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4. August 2012 @ 07:14 |
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4. August 2012 @ 07:23 |
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That is nice and would perform better then the 2.5" drives, just more space but no big deal for a rack system. Fully populated that would be a tad heavy, I know as I've set those up for businesses before, and maintained them too! Except for the weight I love server rack systems like that.
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4. August 2012 @ 07:29 |
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Well yeah it certainly wouldn't be a portable affair, but then my current server isn't exactly easy to lug around, it's just that it's small enough to carry.
It's going to be a long time before I have any need for something on quite this scale, but this is the sort of thing that really got me interested. I could find a use for a lot of this stuff I had the room for it, and could afford it :P
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4. August 2012 @ 11:00 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
Metro UI is essentially useless for desktop users. It's cluttered, doesn't multitask well, and severely hampers productivity. I have tried Metro in older revisions and it was VERY frustrating to use. It reminds me heavily of iOS ie it's probably AWESOME for tablets and other portables.
My issue is that Metro can't be disabled completely. I'd love to be able to use it in a pure desktop mode with no Metro elements at all but that wasn't even possible with the earlier revisions. You could only "hide" it. If I'm not using it, it seems like a waste of resources and processing power. With Metro entirely gone it could be a wonderfully lightweight and snappy OS. It already is, so the potential is there. I've heard that it does basically everything better from boot times to program starts to gaming. I tried it on a friend's PC and the only game he showed me was BF3 on a single 6970 and he claims it gave a pretty decent boost.
I've been using Windows 8 in some way every now and then for a few months. I simply ignore Metro and use the desktop, the task bar, and when I install it, a start menu. I only use Metro to log in and even that can be avoided. I think that a modified installation ISO for Windows 8 might be able to remove Metro completely, but I'm not sure just yet.
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4. August 2012 @ 11:22 |
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Hypothetical situation. You're attempting to troubleshoot a PC. It locks up almost immediately, upon entering the windows environment. And you're reasonably certain that the power supply unit is the weakest link. Other than using a known good power supply, how would each of you determine that the current power supply is in fact dead?
I've tried hotwiring the PSU via green to black on the 24 pin. And the 12V reading was under 12V. My next step is to power up the computer, and watch the readings upon entering windows. I have a feeling, that the voltage will tank ;)
I don't wanna pull my Corsair for the test! And I have no spare 24 pin PSU's :( Only a 20 pin, which would require some creative thinking to mickey mouse, and probably end up blowing it :p
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4. August 2012 @ 11:31 |
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so I was asked to post my questions on my build here.....Here it is.....
Hi, Guys its time for me to build a new computer and I just want to double check everything here as I always have before building.
I have an existing computer which I built in 08 that I am going to just take out the mobo, cpu, ram, gpu and main drive. Blu ray drive, 5 other hard drives for storage will stay the same.
So here is what I am thinking, let me know if this is overkill or if there is a better alternative. I am kind of confused as to where the state of graphics cards are and which ati card competes with the gtx 570.
here is what I do with the computer, general surfing, uploading pictures, photohoshop, mild gaming...son plays minecraft, and I record Football games and tv programs via a hauppauge tv tuner card using beyond tv and video redo to encode taking out the commercials. So the most stressfull thing I do with the computer is record and encode HD..I encode mpeg2 HD clips to H.264 files and am looking for something faster than my q9650 cpu currently.
so again, any advice is welcome. Am I overspending on the board and graphics card? is there a better cpu for me, an i7 ivy maybe? and if everything here is a good fit just to double check it will all jive nicely right? thanks in advance.
here is a youtube page of mine showing how I put up clips in h.264
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MOBO---Most confused here this time, cant determine what is overkill and what is not.
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INTEl core I5 2500K Sandy bridge
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EVGA GTX 570
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Corsair Vengance 16GB 4x4 ddr3 pc3 12800
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and Finally I am replacing my 6 year old happauge tv tuner with a new happauge tv tuner
Hauppauge wintv hvr 2250 dual tuner
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4. August 2012 @ 12:52 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Hypothetical situation. You're attempting to troubleshoot a PC. It locks up almost immediately, upon entering the windows environment. And you're reasonably certain that the power supply unit is the weakest link. Other than using a known good power supply, how would each of you determine that the current power supply is in fact dead?
I've tried hotwiring the PSU via green to black on the 24 pin. And the 12V reading was under 12V. My next step is to power up the computer, and watch the readings upon entering windows. I have a feeling, that the voltage will tank ;)
I don't wanna pull my Corsair for the test! And I have no spare 24 pin PSU's :( Only a 20 pin, which would require some creative thinking to mickey mouse, and probably end up blowing it :p
Are you sure it isn't the CPU Cooler that's at fault? If you can get into the BIOS, see if it will give you a temperature reading for the CPU.
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4. August 2012 @ 13:08 |
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I've had this happen on another system before. The fan quit in the PSU, and would heat up upon entering windows. I suppose it's possible that another component could be heating up though. I've had a northbridge behave very similarly. What a shame I didn't purchase one of those laser temperature sensors!
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