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The Official PC building thread - 4th Edition
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14. August 2012 @ 01:44 |
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Bla-Bla-Bla, you've said experience isn't important and now, when it suits you it is. Again LOL
There are stats and even a few benchmarks that if used properly mean something but like most marketing these days they are abused or even lied about. And you are supporting that WHEN IT SUITS YOU.
I just love it! :)
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14. August 2012 @ 01:55 |
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I have no clue what I've said to be treated with as much disrespect...
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14. August 2012 @ 02:57 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
The world of marketing & benchmarks. You're proving my point that you've argued against many times! LOL
Not really, because 3dmark is what's known as a 'synthetic' benchmark, i.e. it is an application solely designed for benchmark testing, instead of a real world application that we're monitoring to provide benchmark results, which is what we use.
Russ: It was worst with the geforce FX series. By far the worse performers of that gen, yet in 3dmark, and only 3dmark, they were streets ahead. That's been the case ever since really, e.g. 3dmark vantage that had PhysX (an nvidia owned feature) on by default, which ran an additional test to give you about a 20% score boost versus AMD.
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14. August 2012 @ 04:02 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
I have no clue what I've said to be treated with as much disrespect...
leaving opinion out of this, let me try and translate. moovieman said before that with intel vs amd cpu's benchmarks mean nothing and its just marketing...somehow that means the same is true for nvidia vs amd gpu's and you twist facts the way you want to support your story.
remember, when judging the difference in benchmarks, ignore the the whole biased vs unbiased arguement, don't take that into account, its all just marketing, all just a hoax, and if we go much further, ITS TURTLES ALL THE WAY DOWN!
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14. August 2012 @ 04:37 |
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Assuming the science is sound, carried out by unbiased professionals, I'll take science over anecdotal evidence. Stevo's method is the opposite to that. Simple as.
The argument arose because 3dmark was described as a BS benchmark, which it is, really.
A bit like saying because people have released biased/flawed scientific findings in the past, then all science is false.
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14. August 2012 @ 05:01 |
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forget pi calculations and stress tests, my benchmark from here on out will be "does it seem fast when i power on the pc and surf www.grannytranny.com?" i will ignore network speeds and only take into account how fast it feels. humans are flawed-humans interpret science-therefore science is flawed.
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14. August 2012 @ 05:46 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Blazorthon,
Sorry, I forgot to say that I had a Crossfire compatible card in my HD-4670. I have the model with 1GB DDR3, considerably more powerful, with higher clock speeds, than the DDR2 models. Mine was able to get 7667 3D Marks with 3D Mark 06 at standard settings.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150449
With the GV-N550WF2-1GI GeForce GTX 550 Ti doing same test I got 18468. If I max out the settings, I still get 14514 For what was an $80 card, it's impressive, and two of them would be over $100 cheaper than the cheapest GTX-570. I don't think the extra cost would be worth it to me.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125409
I just talked to Newegg, and they will extend me the $80 price for 30 days after they get back in stock, so I should be able to buy the second card. Two in SLI should be awesome. I only see 62C maximum, which is a lot cooler than the GTX-560 or 570 run. If I didn't already have mine, I might have considered the 560 or 570, but Sam turned me on to this card, and I'm very happy with the results. It's probably the best bang for the buck I can get in a video card these days, by a pretty decent margin.
Best Regards,
Russ
GTX 550 TI SLI is a much better value than the similarly performing GTX 570, but the Radeon 7850 is a similar performer at about the same price range as dual GTX 550 TI (it can actually be somewhat cheaper) and uses far less power. I wouldn't suggest buying a GTX 570. Heck, I'd take the 480 over the 570 strictly because of the memory and price advantage if I had to choose between them. Newegg has had a 480 for about $200 for a while now and although they use a lot of power at stock, they can undervolt like crazy and with an after-market cooler, they can overclock incredibly well (the 7850 can do so too, but it doesn't need an aftermarket cooler if you get a good one because it uses much less power).
My point is that there are better solutions than GTX 550 TI SLI for about the same performance and price.
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14. August 2012 @ 06:40 |
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I think of those options I'd take the HD7850, or perhaps the GTX660, if it's out? not checked its performance, but either way, a modern card would be far better for the job, even if not necessarily as cheap. SLI of course can be used just as an experiment :)
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14. August 2012 @ 07:09 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I think of those options I'd take the HD7850, or perhaps the GTX660, if it's out? not checked its performance, but either way, a modern card would be far better for the job, even if not necessarily as cheap. SLI of course can be used just as an experiment :)
Even if SLI/CF is wanted, then GTX 560 SEs or Radeon 7770s would be better choices than the 550 TI because they offer greater performance within the 550 TI's minimum price range.
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14. August 2012 @ 07:21 |
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True, but you have to consider the caveat with dual graphics plans, taking consideration of a card they already own. In this case I believe Russ already owns the 550?
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14. August 2012 @ 11:44 |
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Changing the subject, has anyone played with the new Android 4.0 OS's and if so which one is the better? Jelly Bean? Ice Cream Sandwich?.... I'm probably going to buy my daughter a tablet for her birthday and haven't played with them for a couple of years now so I'm out of tune with the new rigs. I like ASUS, Google/ASUS, and Samsung 10" generally speaking. The Google has a couple of draw backs like no rear camera or SD slot but the OS sounds sweet so I'm torn with that one.
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14. August 2012 @ 12:17 |
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play nice kiddies or i'll close the thread.
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14. August 2012 @ 12:25 |
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Nexus 7 is good value, but if you want a 10" tablet then the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2. Depends on what you're using it for IMO, because obviously a 10" tablet is better for media/films but you could happily read/browse etc on a 7" tablet.
The Galaxy Tab probably doesn't run stock ICS (ie Samsung will have tweaked it a bit), and even then I don't have too much experience with the Android tablet UI (there are some stylistic/UI differences obviously, tablets don't have hardware buttons etc).
JB is supposedly a lot quicker than ICS (there are significant internal software changes/additions) but I haven't had a chance to install something on my phone and try it out. No doubt the Galaxy Tab 2 would eventually get an update to JB but Samsung aren't the quickest (unless you wanted to update it yourself, which is already possible).
Hope that helps anyway.
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14. August 2012 @ 12:27 |
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Originally posted by Blazorthon:
Originally posted by theonejrs:
Blazorthon,
Sorry, I forgot to say that I had a Crossfire compatible card in my HD-4670. I have the model with 1GB DDR3, considerably more powerful, with higher clock speeds, than the DDR2 models. Mine was able to get 7667 3D Marks with 3D Mark 06 at standard settings.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150449
With the GV-N550WF2-1GI GeForce GTX 550 Ti doing same test I got 18468. If I max out the settings, I still get 14514 For what was an $80 card, it's impressive, and two of them would be over $100 cheaper than the cheapest GTX-570. I don't think the extra cost would be worth it to me.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125409
I just talked to Newegg, and they will extend me the $80 price for 30 days after they get back in stock, so I should be able to buy the second card. Two in SLI should be awesome. I only see 62C maximum, which is a lot cooler than the GTX-560 or 570 run. If I didn't already have mine, I might have considered the 560 or 570, but Sam turned me on to this card, and I'm very happy with the results. It's probably the best bang for the buck I can get in a video card these days, by a pretty decent margin.
Best Regards,
Russ
GTX 550 TI SLI is a much better value than the similarly performing GTX 570, but the Radeon 7850 is a similar performer at about the same price range as dual GTX 550 TI (it can actually be somewhat cheaper) and uses far less power. I wouldn't suggest buying a GTX 570. Heck, I'd take the 480 over the 570 strictly because of the memory and price advantage if I had to choose between them. Newegg has had a 480 for about $200 for a while now and although they use a lot of power at stock, they can undervolt like crazy and with an after-market cooler, they can overclock incredibly well (the 7850 can do so too, but it doesn't need an aftermarket cooler if you get a good one because it uses much less power).
My point is that there are better solutions than GTX 550 TI SLI for about the same performance and price.
Blazorthon,
I understand what you are saying, but I already have a 970MHz GTX-550 ti, so the cost would be much lower. Even up, the price is still $70 or more higher, for the HD-7850! What I would buy for myself in an HD-7850, would make it $105 more. For me, heat is a big concern, and I know the Gigabyte card I want will be a perfect match for the one I have. The highest temp recorded with it to date is 64C. The idle temps are low to mid 30's. I see no reason to expect less from a second card, and they are very quiet Cards, even at 100% fan speed. For my needs, 2x SLI is the perfect solution.
Best Regards,
Russ
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14. August 2012 @ 12:37 |
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You're the only Kiddie I see DDP. LOL! Just teasing :p
At least you guys aren't dealing with a faulty DSL line. At least that's what I think it is. The new modem/router acts very similarly to the old one. The DSL light drops out intermittently :( Just once I wish I could get a decent Isp. My cable provider in minnesota I rarely had trouble with. But the upload speed was crap...
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14. August 2012 @ 12:41 |
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14. August 2012 @ 13:03 |
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Originally posted by Ripper:
Nexus 7 is good value, but if you want a 10" tablet then the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2. Depends on what you're using it for IMO, because obviously a 10" tablet is better for media/films but you could happily read/browse etc on a 7" tablet.
The Galaxy Tab probably doesn't run stock ICS (ie Samsung will have tweaked it a bit), and even then I don't have too much experience with the Android tablet UI (there are some stylistic/UI differences obviously, tablets don't have hardware buttons etc).
JB is supposedly a lot quicker than ICS (there are significant internal software changes/additions) but I haven't had a chance to install something on my phone and try it out. No doubt the Galaxy Tab 2 would eventually get an update to JB but Samsung aren't the quickest (unless you wanted to update it yourself, which is already possible).
Hope that helps anyway.
That helps a lot thanks as it should help me make the right decision on what tab to get. For sure speed will be an issue as some of the tabs out there are very slow.
Thanks again Ripper,
Stevo
@Kevin,
I was going to mention that back when you brought the subject up but I knew it wouldn't make a difference as you had to try a new modem/router first anyway. I'm not thrilled with my Actiontec but my real problem is the same as yours, my lines/interconnects suck coming up to the house. I'm constantly having to reset my system due to dropped or froze connections.
So I'll probably just leave my Actiontec as my DSL modem and upgrade to that ASUS router I posted earlier. I have a friend that only has WiFi-G and could use my DIR-655 to upgrade to WiFi-N, they need the extra speed as they only use WiFi to connect to the internet.
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14. August 2012 @ 16:44 |
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Looking for some genuine advice on how I can tidy this up a bit:
http://i.imgur.com/MQQSx.jpg
Front drive bay area is a no-go as it's pretty much all cables, but doesn't look too untidy, although I might hide the white molex connector behind the braided cables for neatness. The biggest bugbears are the plethora of rigid power cables at the top, and most of all, the split pairs of SATA cables.
Front USB header cable has already been cleaned up, so no need to worry about that one :P
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14. August 2012 @ 17:58 |
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Not much to offer for advice there unless you feel like making some mods to the case. It looks generally clean anyway, not like it's a rats nest.
IMO cable tying everything in a neat bundle looks better than just tucking them into random spots(like above the PSU).
Other than that it could use a cleaning. Lots of dust on those cards :P
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14. August 2012 @ 18:11 |
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Believe it or not that's AFTER the cleaning. I'm just a bit wary of making lots of physical contact on the PCB of cards like that. The dust is only going to re-accumulate to that level in a matter of days anyway.
Given what it cost, I'm leaving this case well enough alone :D
More shoddy camerawork of the new server here:
http://i.imgur.com/cQGU2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/e5W6l.jpg
(these two taken before the extra cards were installed, so only the first 8 drives in use)
http://i.imgur.com/wIhxU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tqcxX.jpg (earlier picture before I did a bit more tidying up)
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14. August 2012 @ 18:28 |
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Nice work Sam ;) If I were running that much equipment, I would certainly be running my power saving scheme! :p
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14. August 2012 @ 21:30 |
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14. August 2012 @ 22:31 |
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Sam, I would put something under the front bezel on the rackmount case. Looks like it could cut into the carpet with that much weight on it...
BTW I make skin contact with my hardware often. Just be sure to ground yourself first. I always touch an exposed screw before even reaching into the case. You would be safe to wipe that card off with a paper coffee filter wetted in alcohol. Static-free, lint-free.
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15. August 2012 @ 00:41 |
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It gets messy pretty quick in the bay area as you don't have much space with the fan assembly right on top of it. It also doesn't help that the cabling is sleeved (in-cased). You would have to build or buy some special chaining cables to clean up the power for the hotswap bays but it would be worth it as your airflow would be better. If you can keep most of your loose cabling in the mainboard area you'd be better off, if? I always tie my SATA/SAS cables together uniformly chaining from the bottom of the case up the drive bays vertically. I bring the power from the top and drop down vertically in the same fashion. This keeps the airflow mostly unrestricted and looks nice too. The SATA/SAS cables have a bend radius of 2 inches (50.8mm) so any slop would be left in the MB area close to the controller(s).
Sure wish I had that setup very nice Sam, way to go!
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15. August 2012 @ 07:13 |
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Thanks for the comments :)
I shared the concern about making a groove in the carpet, as you imagine the system is very heavy with 15 disks installed. Not sure yet what I'll put there.
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