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11. July 2004 @ 12:43 |
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would you be kind enough to wait for me to post our pm exchange, in a better formatted form?
You mean the forum's where you reign supreme?
Perhaps, how do we join?
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11. July 2004 @ 12:54 |
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ddlooping
My "luck" with Pinnacle IC will surely break one day. I have yet to suffer one single "oversizing" issue ! (famous last words!)
It's good to know that Shrink 3.2 will be faster than Pinnacle.
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the new "Quality Options" only kick-in (when selected) when the compression ratio is inferior to 80% or thereabout (highly dependent on the original title).
Anything above that and v3.2 will work exactly as v3.1.7, and be as fast (or as slow if you think it is
This question has probably been asked before. Could the new "quality options" be selected on any compression level, by the user (as an option), rather than the preditermined setting that you suggested?. I appreciate that the level of image "improvement" may be negligible. I have a 44" projection (sony) TV and any quality "tweak" would be appreciated.
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ddlooping
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11. July 2004 @ 12:55 |
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originally written by Sophocles / 11 July 2004 14:48
You're a strong defender of DVD Shrink but you won't help that mission by pissing people off. Deal in facts without pointing fingers at people and calling them down, you don't gain allies by embarrassing them online. You do it by providing credible evidence to support your claims.
BTW, thanks for the links.
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originally written by ddlooping / 11 July 2004 14:58
Hi Sophocles,
Could you let me know when/where I pointed fingers and called people down?
Please feel free to quote me.
Maybe I did not read your posts well enough, but it seemed to me you were the one "accusing" me of biasing/doctoring my tests.
That indeed kinda pissed me off (and I tried to "mellow" my reply), and I trully felt your finger pointing at me.
P.S: you're welcome (for the links). ;)
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originally written by Sophocles / 11 July 2004 15:20
Everything you've posted was done with a pointy stick.
Your first post to me:
Sophocles, I did enjoy your Sherlock Holmes power of deduction. (sarcasm).
2nd
I normally pm the answers so as not to spoil the game for others, but I'm gonna make an exception. ;) (condescending)
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Just one question. Can you give me an idea of the process time comparisons between the new shrink & Pinnacle IC using the max quality settings of each app ?
I could spend all night parsing sentences but I think I've made a point.
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Sophocles, I did enjoy your Sherlock Holmes power of deduction. (sarcasm).
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You're correct, this was indeed sarcasm.
You have to put it into its context though.
Remember you had just tried to demonstrate (in a way I perceived to be very arrogant) that my tests were biased, thus questionning my honesty.
Considering the above, I think the reply was quite mild in comparison.
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I normally pm the answers so as not to spoil the game for others, but I'm gonna make an exception. ;) (condescending)
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Correct again, even though it was made in a very tongue-in-cheeck spirit.
(the previous explanation applies to this too.)
After all, your theory was wrong.
The answer for all the tests is:
1.Original
2. v3.2b2.
3. IC8.
4. DVD2One 1.40
Both were simply as come-backs to what I considered to be, once again, very arrogant and bordering on insulting on your part, in a "I-am-the-discoverer-of-the-real-truth-behind-these-biased-tests-and-I-can-mathematically-prove-it" kind of way.
The fact you use Sherlock Holmes as your avatar and quote him in your signature made it simply very hard to reply any other way. ;)
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Just one question. Can you give me an idea of the process time comparisons between the new shrink & Pinnacle IC using the max quality settings of each app
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I've been trying to post/write my reply for the last 45 minuttes, believe it or not. :D
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BTW, thanks for the links.
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You're welcome (no sarcasm). :)
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originally written by Sophocles / 11 July 2004 16:15
Correct again, even though it was made in a very tongue-in-cheeck (cheek has no "C." spirit. the previous explanation applies to this too.) After all, your theory was wrong.
No I believe I was right then and even more so now. If you want to make this an online war bring it on! I thnk shrink is a wonderfully engineered software but it's not a "srairway to Heaven."
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originally written by ddlooping / 11 July 2004 16:32
Thanks for "pointing" the missssspelling in "cheeks". ;)
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If you want to make this an online war bring it on!
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What the hell are you on about, Sophocles??
Maybe you should stick some "herb" in this pipe of yours, that would for sure mellow you out (cheeky sarcasm, I guess). :)
Do you mean to say I can actually ("copy": not in the original thread. Oops) the content of this pm-thread and make it public?
(please say yes)
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originally written by Sophocles / 11 July 2004 16:36
Yes, you are not hones1
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11. July 2004 @ 13:07 |
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ddlooping
I would like to thank-you, for me and my peers, for this difficult apoplogy. If I'd known you were going to be this sincere about "it all" we'ed be discussing the benefits of the new "Shrink," and not fussing. "I know." you! You da beta tester, and we Da dummies?
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11. July 2004 @ 13:07 |
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would you be kind enough to wait for me to post our pm exchange, in a better formatted form?
You mean the forum's where you reign supreme?
No, what made you ask that?
Is it because your eyesight, blurred by anger or rigthfulness, made you misread my post?
I did say better formatted form, right, not forum.
Maybe it wasn't the best wording, but I do believe it to be highly understandable.
Or maybe you once again discovered the hidden truth, my secret agenda. ;)
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ddlooping
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11. July 2004 @ 13:12 |
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This question has probably been asked before. Could the new "quality options" be selected on any compression level, by the user (as an option), rather than the preditermined setting that you suggested?.
As far as I know it cannot I'm affraid.
Keep in mind the level at which the new options kick-in is not based on a % ratio, I only used it as an example (wrongly, maybe).
The new compression algorithm will actually "decide" (rightly, hopefully).
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11. July 2004 @ 13:19 |
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I've traced your net contributions' and you're not a very nice person. I don't know why "ShrinK," chose you as his messanger." but he erred? You came to a thread where everyone was already waiting for DVD Shrink's latest update to be released and turned them off.
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11. July 2004 @ 13:24 |
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You're right, Sophocles, you win. [raising white flag of surrender]
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11. July 2004 @ 13:34 |
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This thread is gonna get closed again if we are not careful. Chill the *uck out everyone.
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11. July 2004 @ 13:36 |
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Guess about the point we disagreed was the cult status and the use of Shrink to rip for the other programs. Guess you missed the part where I said I had run into situations where like use induced problems.
I'll give you a particular example. I was comparing DVD2One, Shrink, Recode2 and DVDCopy2 for large movies using John Wayne's 'Green Berets'. In one step, I was in a hurry and used the program at hand to rip, Shrink. I used the file for DVDCopy2 and it induced the square block pixels in some spots in the beginning of the movie. I ripped the same files with DVD Decrypter and the problem wasn't evident. I was able to recreate the same situation with the same discs, so it wasn't an accident. This discussion occurred several weeks ago and Sophocles and Bigorange can vouch for said findings. Not prepared for this incident.
As I told them then, an induced situation I didn't blame on anything other than improper use of the software. Using transcoded files to use in another transcoding software is not an unbiased act, even without compression. Note you said what I am most comfortable with. So when doing comparisons never use the compared software to prepare files for other software in the comparison.
As for the cult status, I don't feel I exaggerated. Your actions in themself prove much of the point there.
I like others applaud your work with Shrink. Your guides have helped many learn the use of Shrink and gave them their start in editing. Among other things, Shrink is an excellent learning tool.
I too don't believe you intentionally biased the results. But a preference for said software entered into the scheme of things. The Beta testing was even done under conditions with the chosen. How many of the testers weren't ardent users of Shrink? One closed group was used for the testing. Someone should have volunteered to help Mr Shrink wade through the results so he could have used some critics in the test.
Some of the names you mention are ardent supporters of Shrink. Doom9 and MrBass. I noticed the forum where Shrink asked for input and he had difficulty due to everyone singing the praises and not giving critical thought to the process. It seems Shrink had an idea of what he wanted to do and he ended up doing it.
As my previous posts stated, I wish the program well and I don't mind a little eye candy for promo. But telling us and our not being able to use the software ourselves is fruitless. There were never any grounds for comparison and still aren't. Good promo - poor comparison.
The cult like situation exists, the bias exists, and coming to this forum and being condescending because of your involvement with Shrink exists. Becoming embroiled in a fire fight helps no one. While I've been preparing this post I fear the flames have grown. I learned long ago, no one really wins and often both sides walk away harboring ill will. Great guides and a good program. Don't belittle either with actions you may regret later. I've stepped on the land mine myself and know from experience.
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11. July 2004 @ 13:43 |
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Oops, I missed the first shot.
Ok, so you wanted a war I would be remiss in not reporting the views of our members, we are a select group but our standards are empirical.
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11. July 2004 @ 13:46 |
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brobear, I do not hold a grudge against you or any of the other participant to this thread.
If using "No Compression" can indeed cause the problems you described I was not aware of it.
If I had I would have use DVD Decrypter for the rip.
I still find the term "cult" a bit exagerated, I'd much prefer "ardent community". :D
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11. July 2004 @ 13:53 |
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ddlooping
If you'd never came here we'd be supporting DVD Shrink now in a week or so, but now everyone's pissed off at you. Why?
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11. July 2004 @ 13:54 |
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Well we're close, let's just call it overly ardent and call a truce. I believe we all can objectively look at the rest. In my verbose manner maybe I didn't emphasize the point I was trying to make. No one really wins a flame throwing contest.
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ddlooping
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11. July 2004 @ 13:58 |
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If you'd never came here we'd be supporting DVD Shrink now in a week or so, but now everyone's pissed off at you. Why?
Sorry, I should have guessed.
I don't like watching "Forthcoming Attractions" either. ;)
P.S: "No sarcasm was used in this reply".
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11. July 2004 @ 14:10 |
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originally pmed by Sophocles / 11 July 2004 18:03
You can copy and Paste this, "no more war." We can do more together than apart.
I couldn't agree more. Peace. :)
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11. July 2004 @ 14:15 |
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Then let's be kind in our choice of words and let's end this debate, if you're with us then we're with you.
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11. July 2004 @ 16:57 |
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Good God, I'm outta da house for a couple o' hours and this is what I come back to? It looks like a scene from LOTR-ROTK, fires everywhere, rampant wanton destruction! Somebody call the Red Cross, we've got wounded here!
Jeez, I just wanted to tell ddlooping that he tried the wrong Pinnacle. IC8 has none of the problems you stated in version 7.
All my copies come in at 4.3 or so. The quality is right up there with DVDCopy2, just not as fast, but nowhere near as slow as you stated for v7. I like menus and some extras and normal time is about 1-1 1/2 hours, 2 hours-tops. You can get 8 for 25.00, don't know what you spent on 7 but I was under the impression IC8 was used in the test. Am I correct?
BTW, I am a member of Digital Video and no one asked me to participate in any beta testing.
As far as my hype comment goes, there was no particular reference to you, just in general over at Digital Video, which as I stated before, definitely would seek retribution, if I made a negative comment about Shrink. If this isn't cult, it sure borders on it.
I would like to add, this is a great bunch here at AD. I read several forums before I decided to get involved here. People here ARE individuals and have their own opinions, but for the most we all get along, like and respect each other. Doesn't mean we have to agree, only to agree we will most assuredly disagree. This isn't the 1st flare up and I am positive when I say it won't be the last.
dd, you're a member here, so you know whereof I speak.
Bottom line:
We all are open to change, if it's better-we'll use it, if it ain't-we won't.
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11. July 2004 @ 17:05 |
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bigorange, I did use IC8 trial version for the tests.
As far as DVDCopy2 is concerned, let's agree to disagree. ;)
P.S: do you want me to include it in a compilation? :D
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11. July 2004 @ 17:30 |
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I leave for the weekend and I come back to this...I had been doing a lot of 'lurking' for the last couple of weeks. Bit this thread is just TOO much. Sophocles, ddlooping, brobear, bigorange, help!
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11. July 2004 @ 17:40 |
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me too, siber!
ddlooping, you're not gonna tell me DVDCopy 2 sucks, are ya? Yeah, let's include it, only I gotta feeling that someone else needs to send in the sample. heh heh heh
On 2nd thought forget it, when you got guys over there saying shrink outshines CCE, well, you see what I mean?
GO VOLS !
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11. July 2004 @ 17:44 |
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We've setteled for peace there's nothing left to be concerned over, at least for now.
siber
It's not my fault that you aren't or weren't here when shit gets stirred. Some of us drop in and out as it suits us and then, Hmm. I don't remember starting this thread with conflict in mind.
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11. July 2004 @ 17:57 |
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I know, Sophocles, I know. I wasn't complaining. You handled it very well.
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11. July 2004 @ 18:21 |
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@siber
ddlooping is no "S-Y-K-E-S, he's a very well informed and intelligent person, and when he's at his best, quite interesting. I think that he under appreciated our crew while over appreciating himself. But in the end I actually learned to like him and I hope he continues to hang with us, he's an asset.
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11. July 2004 @ 18:27 |
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"P.S: do you want me to include it in a compilation? :D
just answering his question, sophocles. As far as the rest goes, I was there in there at the beginning(11 July 2004 12:45), and left for a while. I am not "concerned". I hope he hangs around.
GO VOLS !
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