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Which Transcoding Tools Produce The Best Picture Quality.
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12. July 2004 @ 10:38 |
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cool, looks like another one in the mix, lol
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brobear
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12. July 2004 @ 11:55 |
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Hey BigO,
If you and ddlooping are through discussing the merits of CCE, I have some interesting news. Sort of sounds like apples and oranges again. Low compression very little visible difference between programs, jack it past 20 and CCE starts running away. And even at low compression CCE isn't going to be beat. Trade off, CCE takes a lot of time. Negligible difference at low compression, faster wins; CCE isn't usually used. But for true quality at the higher compression load CCE shines so the faster software falls to the side. That's the gist of the situation and I haven't seen either side dispute it. Seems like everyone likes the dance. And please don't quote me. If I was the Admin here, I would hide that quote control for a while.
Mr. Shrink allowed me the use of the new Beta version. Eye candy aside, this puppy does the job. Just ran Pirates of the Caribbean through, used all the new options for quality. And the deep analysis and the new options have overcome much of the compression woes of the past. I only dropped some sound tracks to get the compression level around 67%. That is over 30% compression. This is where I usually only use Recode2 or DVDCopy2. Since Copy2 is my favorite, I usually go with it.
The improved Shrink, I'd almost call it new due to the quality, didn't skip or show deterioration as the older product does. The trade off is that the movie took approximately 2 hrs to record. Copy2 does the job in about 2/3 the time or less.
Quality? There is a difference, but it is in the eye of the beholder. Copy2 generates a sharper picture with brighter colors. The colors in the Shrink are very good. They are to my eye less vibrant. The picture of the Shrink is very good but softer. Since Copy2 is faster and very good, I would probably choose it for the big movie tasks.
I'm going to have to go into Re-Author now to edit, so I can see what the picture only choice looks like with the lower compression. I must say Shrink developed a winner here and I was somewhat skeptical. I put the quality of this new program on the level with the Recode2 which I use quite a bit. The one fault that I hold against the Shrink is the inability to retain functional menus in the editing mode. Recode2 is ahead there.
In the end we look at price and there is an interesting variable in there. We all know Shrink wins the price battle hands down. Free. But for Shrink to do its best it is used with the retail program Nero. I know, Decrypter is a backup. But most people use Shrink with Nero. What comes with Nero? Recode2. Go figure, 2 nice programs. I'm not throwing any programs away, so my go to list is DVDCopoy2, Recode2, and the improved DVDShrink. If I didn't already have these programs, the decision would be diffucult. Everyone has to weigh the variables for themselves and make those decisions. We all see things differently at times.
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f1drake
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12. July 2004 @ 11:56 |
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WOW, I just read through this whole thread front to back and Im still mixed on what to use. I have currently DVD Shrink, DVD Decrypter, Clone DVD 2, Instant Copy 8, DVD2One, and DVD Copy 2. So far Ive used DVD Shrink alone and it put out a good result on a small movie (The Goonies) and even still I got rid of everything but that main movie. Now sure there will be times when I have a much larger movie OR I want to keep the menu and the extra features...then what do you recommend I use?
Is DVDRebuilder worth learning?
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ddlooping
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12. July 2004 @ 12:05 |
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brobear, did you use beta3 or beta4?
Also, what do you think of the idea of starting a new thread?
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brobear
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12. July 2004 @ 12:12 |
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Yes Rebuilder/CCE is worth learning. Note, everyone agrees when the compression goes over 20 to 25%, the hands down winner is CCE, the trade off is it takes longer. Wonder if you read the last post there, I went over most of your questions. IC8 is one of the programs I don't have, but hear good things about. Shrink and no Nero? I wonder, I mentioned that to. Go back and read the last post. Decrypter is a great ripper and that's what I use it for. If you get the Nero pack for the Shrink, get the Recode2 and you'll have a bunch of good software programs to choose from. I believe someone said it was on sale for $49 somewhere.
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ddlooping
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12. July 2004 @ 12:12 |
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P.S: the most improvement should be seen when compression is superior to 30%.
Give LOTR-ROTK a try, movie-only, AC3 5.1, 1 subpicture stream.
That should bring the Ratio to about 60.8%.
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12. July 2004 @ 12:12 |
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Is DVDRebuilder worth learning?
I'd say yes, but I'm hardly an objective source on that subject. The best way to decide is to read through the basic guide (link in my signature) and see what you think. I'd say it's very easy, but I've been using CCE without an automation tool like DVD-RB for over a year so once again I'm far from objective.
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brobear
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12. July 2004 @ 12:18 |
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ddlooping,
You are a member. So if you want to start a new thread, by all means, do so. Let us know the name an URL and we'll check it out. Might be a good idea. I'm even difficult to pin down on ideas.
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ddlooping
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12. July 2004 @ 12:24 |
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I meant for you to start a new thread.
We all know what credibility I have here. :D
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brobear
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12. July 2004 @ 12:26 |
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By the way, POTC was at about the low 60% level, I dumped the sound tracks to get it up to the high 60s. I was pushing over 30% compression load here. LOTR isn't that much bigger. I'm going to do LOTR later to check the higher rates, but from what I've seen, I doubt the results will vary that much. The picture quality and playability are a vast improvement. The picture is much like the present Shrink at low compression or no compression.
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brobear
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12. July 2004 @ 12:31 |
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Your credibility doesn't suffer that much. I believe something was said about your demeanor. You retain the title of being one of the more knowledgable people on Shrink in our midst. Your favoring the program is understandable. As long as you give others the room to disagree without in the face flame throwing, I see no problems.
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12. July 2004 @ 12:38 |
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I meant for you to start a new thread.
We all know what credibility I have here. :D
Well you may not have much credibility with some people, but not everyone feels that way ;) I've seen enough of your posts over many months that I don't have any problem taking you seriously. Besides, I'd like to see more discussion about the latest version of Shrink. I don't use anything besides CCE based solutions for movies, but I use Shrink for menus so more opinions are always good for me. Just don't expect me to join in too much. I consider gettting into those types of arguments (and they always turn into arguments eventually) about the same as discussing religion ;)
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12. July 2004 @ 12:49 |
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dd, your credibility is fine, I think you know that. No one doubts your veracity or knowledge. Your input is invaluable to this forum ( you just need to be a little more open minded LOL) I think a new thread would be an excellent idea, what da ya want to call it?
The new and vastly improved Shrink?
vurbal, How true how true, sometimes, I just can't help myself.
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brobear
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12. July 2004 @ 12:53 |
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ddlooping
New DVD Shrink 3.2 , Stands the test
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/94334
At least I was one of the first with a 3.2 Shrink thread. Thar she blows. Don't know what can be done with it. We'll see how it goes. I was a bit noncommittal in the approach.
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brobear
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12. July 2004 @ 13:03 |
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I think I sort of summed up what it boils down to, a matter of choice and much is in the eye of the beholder. Time, experiences and circumstances influence the choices and we all have a different combination.
Good free choices, good retail choices, and a good choice in types of software. CCE is slow good and Copy2 and the like are good and fast. CCE excells at high compression so the one button programs don't compare there. Apples and oranges again. Different choices for the different enthusiasts.
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ddlooping
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12. July 2004 @ 13:04 |
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Thanks vurbal, I appreciate it. :)
I originally thought providing clips would be a good idea, as I totally agree with the inadequacies of judging a backup on the strentgh of frame-captures.
Clips can also be played in slow-motion, having the advantage of making them last much longer, and showing quality degradation even more.
bigorange, you convinced me. :)
I'm gonna start a new thread where I'll post links to all my compilation tests (no as a game this time).
New tests include DVD2One v1.5 with 5 different settings, DVD2Copy, and DVD2DVD-R/CCE (VBR 2 pass).
This time I'll try not to be sarcastic in my replies if my honesty is doubted.
Actually, I'll simply not reply. ;)
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12. July 2004 @ 13:18 |
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dd- I'll say it again, your veracity is not in question here. Just your bias, just kidding!! ;)
Besides, hillbillies from the Smokey Mountains are to slow to "get" sarcasm anyway.
BTW, I have updated DVD2One, haven't had a chance to use it yet. How do the results look? Any major improvements in quality, I swear I'll take your word for it. lol Seriously, I am going to give it a go this evemning, it's been a long time since I've used it. I'll probably have to drag a guide out.
GO VOLS !
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ddlooping
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12. July 2004 @ 13:24 |
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bigorange, I'm in the process of making DVD2One compilations.
I'll post links soon.
If you're willing to take my word for it: disappointing.
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12. July 2004 @ 13:27 |
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Did I say that? That was sarcasm, yeah, that's it, sarcasm.
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ddlooping
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12. July 2004 @ 13:33 |
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You lost me there, bigorange, does it actually mean you will not take my word for it? LOL
If you're willing to take two words: very disappointing. ;)
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f1drake
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12. July 2004 @ 14:01 |
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Instant Copy 8 versus DVD2One, which would you say is better?
What can I use with either one of these to get rid of the extra features?
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ddlooping
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12. July 2004 @ 14:08 |
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In one word (to keep to the theme): IC8. ;)
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f1drake
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12. July 2004 @ 14:11 |
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what can I use to trim off extra features and audio I dont want? Doesnt using Shrink to do that lower the quality alot?
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12. July 2004 @ 14:15 |
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You can set a Shrink's compression level to None and you won't get any compression. It will warn you that the DVD is oversized, but you can just click OK and keep going.
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12. July 2004 @ 14:15 |
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no, if you use "re-author" then all it does is get rid of whatever audio/video streams you specify, this puts LESS compression on the movie which (as long as its 10% or more, i.e. 50% then you take off DTS which puts it to 30% compression, would improve the quality.
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