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Which Transcoding Tools Produce The Best Picture Quality.
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23. July 2004 @ 13:53 |
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Doc
It's been so long since I did Castaway I can't remember. I have found a few DVD's that just don't benefit from DVDremake, usually movies where the entire content of the movie is collected in the main movie title set. Check it with DVD Shink and see how much you will save by removing unwaned audio tracks. If it's significant then back it all up.
I did Lawrence of Arabia last night which is the longest running movie I've ever done at 227 minutes. There just weren't any savings using DVDremake so I backed the whole thing as is and it worked prefectly.
Did you try DareDevil with the suggestion I gave you? They worked perfectly for me and with the unwanted audio tracks removed it came in at just over 6 gigs. With exception of Vurbal we're all new at this but its been a good ride so far.
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23. July 2004 @ 14:29 |
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I'm beginning to adopt that philosophy ... there really wasn't much to be gained, GB wise, from editing. Just the "power" to remove a few nuisances. I can live with 'em.
DareDevil is right after I get Castaway burned.
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ddlooping
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23. July 2004 @ 14:37 |
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Why do you even bother with "Daredevil", it's such a bad movie?! :P
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23. July 2004 @ 14:49 |
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It's the complexity of the movie's structure that makes it interesting.
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ddlooping
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23. July 2004 @ 14:54 |
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Good point. :)
Why did you buy it though? :P
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23. July 2004 @ 14:57 |
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It is bad. My son's trash. He's 14. My motivation with it is to learn Remake Pro.
(He watches a Shrink beta backup, while his 'ole dad plays around with the real thing.)
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ddlooping
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23. July 2004 @ 15:01 |
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Fair enough. ;)
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23. July 2004 @ 15:03 |
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My son is 17 and has no taste of anykind. Because the movie was so complex I contacted dimad and helped obtain the streams which resulted in an important update in dealing with muiti angles.
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ddlooping
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23. July 2004 @ 15:16 |
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Nice one, Sophocles. :)
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23. July 2004 @ 15:34 |
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ddlooping (Double "D")
It gets worse, I've spent the last two days trying figure out how to back Terminator 2: Extreme Edition. DVDrebuilder identifies it as being multi angled/interleaved but I can't find a single title set that supports that.
Have you ever tired to transcode Lawrence of Arabia (227 minutes)?
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ddlooping
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23. July 2004 @ 16:03 |
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As you know I switch to re-encoding when the compression required is > 20-25%.
I'm pretty sure it would apply to this movie. ;)
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23. July 2004 @ 16:20 |
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On Castaway.
When you burn with Nero ignore those particular errors. Let it burn to a disc.
The disc will burn and play fine. I have run into this a few times on heavily edited movies.
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23. July 2004 @ 16:28 |
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ddlooping
I suspected that you used more than DVD Shrink.
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23. July 2004 @ 16:38 |
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@64026402 ...Thanks. I'll try that. I had my doubts about that particular RW disc. It is well used.
@ Sophocles. ...I am currently doing Ben Hur, which is 12.4 GB total - no edits. I ran it through the DVD2One(v1.5) combine feature, and with the new "low" setting. The ultimate test was the chariott race where everything on the screen was in motion ... and I did not see any artifacts or macroblocking. I would say that the overall "appearance" of the backup is 97% of the original.
I am going to try my luck at combining the discs in Remake - for a run thru CCE, and then try the combine feature with Shrink (beta). It should be interesting.
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23. July 2004 @ 16:46 |
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Im an old DVD2One user but I haven't tried 1.5 yet, if anything changes keep me posted, I am curious.
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23. July 2004 @ 16:59 |
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Sophocles ... I had remembered that from a post going back a few months, and so I thought I'd mention it. DVD2One doesn't get a lot of attention anymore with all the new sw out there, but it is still a very good app in the right circumstances. IMO, v1.5 with the new engine is better, and I was surprized with the Ben Hur results.
There is also a new "Low, Medium, High" encoding feature. I haven't been able to understand the instructions on which one to select, but Low worked quite nicely.
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23. July 2004 @ 17:14 |
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Thanks I'll download the update and check it out.
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23. July 2004 @ 17:36 |
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Where I see DVD2One filling its niche is with the kids 2-disc movies. I expect more and more of these in the future, and the join feature is very simple. This is nice and quick, and I also don't have to "waste" an extra disc. The kidos don't much like my editing either, thinking that trailers, etc., is all part of what they paid for. (I wonder about their taste also).
Speaking of taste, I saw where a remake of the Manchurian Candidate was just released to the big screen. Apart from the Beach Blanket Bingo genre, we had some pretty good movies back then.
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23. July 2004 @ 17:51 |
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I've suggested DVD2One 1.14 many a time for adjoining two halves of a movie. I used it to join Amadeus which came as a 2 sided disc. Even though it wasn't a seemless joining the i/5 of second sure beats getting up and flipping the disc.
BTW, with DareDevil remember that the multi andgles are in more than one title set. I know most of them are in title 4 but I'm pretty sure that the rest are in title 6 (if not check the rest but it is above 5 for sure), you may have to expand it (+). When you get to title six and you right click and choose Strip all angles, a window will popup, just choose angle 1 and click OK. That's all you have to do to back up DareDevil and after you blow off the subtitles and extra audio tracks, the movie comes in around 6 gigs and it works perfectly with DVD-RB/CCE.
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23. July 2004 @ 18:28 |
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Sophocles, I mentionned using DVD2DVD-R/CCE when the compression required is > 20-25% a couple of times in this thread.
Once on page 12 (my 7th post), the other on page 14 (my 1st post). ;)
Doc409, I'm really surprised at the results you obtained with DVD2One v1.5, especially considering the amount of compression required (12.4GB >> 4.7GB = 36% of original size).
I can't see any transcoder being able to deliver artefact/macroblocking free output at this level.
Would you mind telling us what viewing equipment you used?
I also tested the three new compression settings (on LOTR-ROTK / a ratio of about 62% if I remember correctly), but found them all to be noticeably inferior to DVD2One own Variable setting.
Any theory as to why this could be?
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23. July 2004 @ 18:45 |
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ddlooping
Yes I remember, I just didn't think it was a you genuine choice for you. On occasion I also use DVD2DVD-R/CCE, when a movie only choice makes a difference but with DVDremake I can trim and keep the extras, except where movies are so large that they don't have room for extras. Have you tried DVDrebuilder with CCE?
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23. July 2004 @ 18:57 |
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Only once, and I got an error message that terminated the process.
I decided to wait for it to be more debugged and reliable.
I'll definately give it another try when I'm back from abroad (in a couple of weeks).
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23. July 2004 @ 19:10 |
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I think that you'll find DVDrebuilders new 1 click feature a time saver.
Traveling are we? When you say abroad you don't mean just a minor excursion across the Mediterranean do you?
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23. July 2004 @ 19:14 |
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ddlooping... ...Yeah, I was surprized too. I have a P2.66 w/512DDR and a cheapo Matsonic MB. I am viewing on a 17 inch monitor without the aide of any video card. I use the same burner to view - Sony 530A. I also have a regular TV, so that isn't much of a test.
The other thing that I found surprising were the facial tones. When I ran Ben Hur thru DVDCOPY2, the faces flickered with a green-red balance. DVD2One had constant tones.
I would certainly be interested in a second opinion? Let me know (PM) how I can get these results to you, and I will.
PS. It goes without say, I used Ritek G04 media.
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ddlooping
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23. July 2004 @ 19:24 |
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Not across the Mediterranean, Sophocles, across the Channel. ;)
Doc409, I'd appreciate if you could make a small compilation (2 clips of about 5 seconds) containing a scene from the original, and the same scene from the DVD2One backup.
Let me know if you have some webspace where you could upload it.
I'll reply tomorrow though, as I'm off to bed now (gotta be up in 6 hours for work).
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