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Taiyo Yuden 16x Media
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MSUDawg
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2. June 2005 @ 20:53 |
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Hello first of all to everyone. I am a newbie to your site and I look forward to sharing some interesting discussions here. My question is about the Taiyo Yuden 16x DVD-R. I am expecting my first shipment of DVDs (which happen to be Taiyo Yuden 16x DVD-Rs) from Meritline.com for my new NEC-3520A drive I purchased. I have taken the liberty to contact Meritline and ask for verification of the validity of the Taiyo Yudens and make sure they are the true brand. We discussed about the fact thatthey are TY fakes on the market and she assured me that they are the real deals. I will verify personally when they come in tomorrow and let everyone here know so that you can feel confident ordering from them and you not get stuck with fakes.
Anyway, my question is what should I be expecting to see (code-wise) when I perform a check to test the validity of my new Taiyo Yuden DVD-R 16x? Would they be different than the codes for the 8x's? Thanks you all for this AWESOME site and to all who can answer these questions.
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2. June 2005 @ 21:02 |
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TY 16x will be TYGO3~ :)
let us know~ media coding IS NOT THE SAME for the 8x compared the the 16x~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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MSUDawg
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2. June 2005 @ 21:28 |
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Great.....Thanks for the quick response kivory666. I will certainly let you all know what I came up with. This is my first DVD burner and I'm very new to this arena of computing but I am a very quick learner and I hope to be on a more even keel with you are shortly.. LOL I have used this software to rip the DVD to an .ISO image file so that when the blanks come in, I will be able to burn straight from the image. I love the simplicity of this software and when I have tested the image file and viewed the movie after ripping, the quality was perfect to that of the DVD source. I was curious if anyone here has had any experience with DVD Copy Tools 3.5.3.0. I think it does an awesome job and it relatively fast for the ripping. Check it out for those who have not tried it.
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3. June 2005 @ 11:06 |
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@ msudawg:I hope you enjoy your Nec 3520.. I've had mine for one month now and it is super!
@ kivory666: By the way, I have some Verbatim 16X +Rs in route. Will they code out as TYG03?
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MSUDawg
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3. June 2005 @ 13:15 |
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Ok guys...here are the results from my first batch of TY 16x DVD-R as follows: (Some of this doesn't make any sense to me...lol)
Media Information
Disc Regions are 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8
Media code/Manufacturer ID TYG03
Format Type UDF 1.02
Volume Name MERMAID
Application id
Implementation id mkisofs
Recording Date/Time (mm/dd/yyyy) 6/ 2/2005 17:43:45
Format Capacity 3.78GB(4.06GB)
Book Type DVD-R
Media Type DVD-R
Manufacturer Rated Speed Unknown
Available Write Descriptor CLV 16.0x 22160KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 12.0x 16620KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 8.0x 11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 6.0x 8310KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.0x 2770KBps
Write Strategy Speed 4.0x 5540KBps
2x Speed OPC beta 09
2x Speed OPC power 09
2x Write Strategy field 1 15 A9 9A 90
2x Write Strategy field 2 88 80 00 00 00 00
4x Speed OPC beta 07
4x Speed OPC power 11
4x Write Strategy field 1 0C 10 0B 06
4x Write Strategy field 2 95 07 0D 0B
4x Write Strategy field 3 80 00 00 00
4x Speed OPC beta multi-pulse 08
4x Speed OPC power multi-pulse 16
4x Write Strategy field 4 17 96 88 85
4x Write Strategy field 5 B7 89 33 83 30 33
4x Write Strategy field 6 00 00 D0 00 00
Data area starting sector 30000h
Data area end sector 1E419Fh
Linear Density 0.267um/bit
Track Density 0.74um/track
Number of Layers 1
Complete Media Code
00000000 00 EA 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 84 0D 11 .....@....R.....
00000010 66 78 90 00 03 54 59 47 30 33 00 00 04 00 00 00 fx...TYG03......
00000020 00 00 00 00 05 A8 82 00 20 00 02 00 06 09 09 15 ........ .......
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TY 16x DVD-R
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3. June 2005 @ 13:19 |
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while you're waiting for kivory666, i'll chip in and ask what's the letters/and or numbers round the inner hub of the disc ?
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MSUDawg
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3. June 2005 @ 13:41 |
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Hello creaky....Here are the letters and numbers around the inner hub:
GD524A501810GH
What is the significance of that code?
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NEC-3520A DVD-DL Burner
TY 16x DVD-R
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3. June 2005 @ 13:43 |
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genuine TY disks have certain codes , i'm just doing a search as kivory666 knows all this stuff and posts it all here...
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3. June 2005 @ 13:49 |
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3. June 2005 @ 13:53 |
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i'd rather kivory666 verified that code properly as it's longer than those i found in the couple of searches i did
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MSUDawg
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3. June 2005 @ 15:15 |
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Here is the resulting PI scan after the initial burn on the TY 16x DVD-R burned at 8x......
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TY 16x DVD-R
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3. June 2005 @ 15:17 |
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you can compare that to the scans in the first sig in my sig
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MSUDawg
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3. June 2005 @ 15:32 |
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creaky....I see that if you run the scan again, the results are a little different. Actually after performing another PI scan on the same disc that I showed earlier, the results showed even better results. How come? Also what actually does PIs and PIFs tell you?
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TY 16x DVD-R
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MSUDawg
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3. June 2005 @ 15:39 |
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Here is a scan I have done on a disc my cousin had burned for me. You can easily see the difference between my TYs and his media. I would have to assume here that my new 16x TYs are authentic.
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TY 16x DVD-R
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3. June 2005 @ 15:55 |
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OMG those are nearly as bad as my bulkpaq scans
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MSUDawg
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3. June 2005 @ 16:22 |
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Well...I am quite pleased so far and I have to pass this info to everyone here. I purchsed these 16x TY DVD-R 50 pack at Meritline.com for $27.99 + $6.82 S/H and they would appear to be authentic so you guys can order likewise with confidence that you are getting quality media at a good price.
Dell Dimension XPS B1000 1.0GHz
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NEC-3520A DVD-DL Burner
TY 16x DVD-R
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3. June 2005 @ 16:32 |
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....and how did my crap media sensor let me down there - your last scan was a CMC mag - nuff said!
- but still nowhere near as bad as my initial bulkpaq scan. i still hold the title!
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MSUDawg
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3. June 2005 @ 16:40 |
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Yeah, that last scan I showed ,liked I had stated, was from my cousin and the media that he is using. I still haven't told him how crappy the media he is using actually is. I will tell him about the TYs though and go from there... :P
Dell Dimension XPS B1000 1.0GHz
512Mb RAM
NEC-3520A DVD-DL Burner
TY 16x DVD-R
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3. June 2005 @ 18:35 |
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been tied up at work, haven't had a chance to reply~ :)
seems that i have been betrayed myself, those are FAKE TYg03s with that media ID...if purchased from meritline, i would suggest getting a refund/ dispute the order and have them send you REAL TYs.
i've had quite a bit of experience with authentic TYs and from the code you gave creaky, i noticed the newer 16x TYs have longer numbers after the GD, just look for the GDxxxxxxxxxxx or GGxxxxxxxxxx or even TGxxxxxxxxxx on the inner hub, you are fine~
@LABOY sorry, the 16x Verbs dvd+r will NOT code out as TYG03s (as TY coding is exclusively for Taiyo Yuden, those Verbs will most likely code out as MCC.....004 which is just an indication of the next step up from my famed MCC003 which are the 8x dvd+r variety that i use regularly~)
so, in conclusion, I GOT SCAMMED AS WELL AS YOU MSUDAWG, i have looked at some of my 16x TY and they have almost identical numbers around the inner hub~ MEANING, i got FAKES too :(
i get different readings on my scans too when i use different drives to perform the tests, the discrepency is always slight, but they are a little different when run on different burners~ :) i am no expert in the PI/PIF error scan readings, but, it's nothing to be worried about for me, different lasers on different dvd drives will give different outputs/results~ :)
good luck and keep em' burning w/ your new 16x TYs..they are great media indeed~ :)
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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MSUDawg
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3. June 2005 @ 21:59 |
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kivory666...I really appreciate you for looking up that info and finding out about the validity of my TYs. Yes, it certainly does give me that warm feeling having possession of certified, quality media in your hands. I even (just for kicks) burned this TY 16x -R disc at 2x and I wanted to share the PI scan results.....
I do have another question...What determines whether a burned DVD-R or DVD+R plays on a DVD player standalone? I have a new Sony SLV-D251P and an older Apex DVD player. All my new TYs play on the older Apex but doesn't even load on the new Sony. What gives? Does it have anything to do with the regions? Is there anything I might be missing on a setting before I burn? I use DVD Copy Tools to rip and burn unless I rip to an image file, then I burn using Nero (latest version).
kivory666 and creaky, I enjoyed talking to you both and look forward to further discussions... Thanks again kivory666 for the info.
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NEC-3520A DVD-DL Burner
TY 16x DVD-R
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3. June 2005 @ 23:28 |
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anytime MSU,
it's just a preference for some of the newer players, i have found that my cheapest standalones will play ANYTHING i throw at them, while my $2,000 high end Denon's are VERY picky...won't play anything but pressed dvds or if i booktype my QUALITY dvd+r to dvd-rom~ then it plays. :P
so, i take it your NEW Sony is like that too~ all i can really suggest is that if your burner allows it, to booktype the dvd+r to dvd-rom, it MIGHT play it then...for more info on that...ask mort81, he's THE expert on booktyping~ :P
feel free to come w/ any more questions, MEDIA is obviously not the case if you have any more problems, THAT we know~ :) good luck~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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4. June 2005 @ 04:04 |
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Yes Kivory..I have a cheapo SONY DVP-NS575P which will play beer mats,as long as I remove the tinnie first.Recomended it to a friend and it spits out my backups in disgust,no matter the media,no matter plus or minus?????
P.S GO KOSTYA
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kotsu
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23. June 2005 @ 12:52 |
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Hi there, could some kind soul please tell me where I can get hold of genuine 16x Taiyo Yuden in the UK? Its just that I wish to backup a lot of important data [I am writing a book, plus family photos etc] and want to use the best media around [which I believe to be TY, though may be mistaken ^^].
Thanks for reading my small request ^^.
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23. June 2005 @ 12:56 |
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creaky is your man for media in the UK~ while i have a feeling he will suggest VERBATIMS...i wouldn't know where to begin in acquiring 16x TYS in the UK~ :)
hahahaha...we'll see, he'll be here soon~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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23. June 2005 @ 12:56 |
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here i am....
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