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Nvideas rsx pipelines vs 360 ATI pipelines 360 core vs ps3 cell
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fazyninja
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yeah there are a few of those kinds of interviews that i have seen. they are interesting to read as you said before they are unbaised
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TruthMan
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6. January 2006 @ 13:45 |
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o you meant FPP in floating point, i thought u meant something else.
yea still, floating point calcs arnt used much to power games (only 30% of ingame physics are mainly power by them). i know thats crap, but thats thw way it is, grrrr.
is it was 50% then the processors would be equal (in 360 and PS3) for single threaded games performance.
but in multi-threaded it would be different.as you know.
360 has more threads.
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
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6. January 2006 @ 14:43 |
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so what do you guys think about the acusations that sony is switching to an ati card, and that ati is making its highest effort for a video chip better than the 360? i personally dont know what to say about it. it would most definatly delay the launch.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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6. January 2006 @ 18:01 |
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Zelda, i think i've read taht somewhere. I think i even said that before. That the cell is way more harder to program.
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6. January 2006 @ 18:11 |
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(only 30% of ingame physics are mainly power by them).
Yes, i still think thats kinda c**p.
n e ways, its not only physics u know. I'm sure FPP excells in other areas, that threads dont. I'' get back to this. Games are not only about physics. Hey u know that IGN ps3 vs xbox360 one? With the gen performance. They were like "Oh xbox360 has 3x+ more general performance than the ps3 because it has 6 threads............LOL, completly wrong, they dont know how many threads the ps3 has.
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TruthMan
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7. January 2006 @ 05:09 |
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yea kookoo that bit was true.
that was an article produced my microsoft though (i think).
and floating points calcs do help with other things, although powering games (except for the AI) is not what there used for much really, they are used (like 85% here) for decoding the information sent by the blue-ray rom from the disk, then letting you play it difectly from disk, therefore this also means that DVD playback will be faster and smoother, less chance of crashing when watching a film, and less jumps if its reading a scratchy disk, as the more random data parts (cos of scratching) can still be decoded redicuously fast.
dont egt me wrong it will be VERY hard for there to be errors with 360 dvd playback, but the PS3 definately wins that one.
decoding information from the disk is also done when games are loading levels, like on a PC when ur game is loading the disk drive starts. well PS3 levels will load plenty faster than the 360. (like 30-40% which is a hefty enough difference). so if non loading games are made, then the PS3 will probably be the first to have them.
but it will be hard for blu-ray disks (as there new, ad very large capacity wise, so making all that data not load by having a massive load spree early in the game, will suck some power i tell ya, and take a while ish, so superoir floating point calcs all help lots with those tasks.) see there not all worthless.
but personally (not being biased here) dont care about dvd playback, load times, etc. i want performance. thats all i care about, thats all i have ever craed about.
regardless the PS3 and 360 are sure to provide more than enough juice to their games to make them have gorgeous garphics and smth high framerates constantly.
bloody hell, it only took me 4 mins to write this post (ouch my fingers hurt, typed too fast and hard - hitting the keys hard so my fingers bend). LOL
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7. January 2006 @ 10:16 |
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i think that was the 1st moment ive seen you unbias yourself. well done chap.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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7. January 2006 @ 12:26 |
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Racing games will look better on ps3 aswell. Because of the shine. Lol. We all know that cars that shine good in a game, look more realistic. The shine will look far more realistic on the ps3.
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7. January 2006 @ 13:08 |
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yes.and have u heard abut the trees in gt5? the are all true with branched and the wove with the wind of ur car. the ones in pgr3 are 2 framed
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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TruthMan
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7. January 2006 @ 13:59 |
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yea, PS3 will have a *bit* better shine (shine is part of shader ops).
but seriously though, have you seen the graphics of PGR3 when ur viewing your car in the garage (and moving around it), PROPER GORGEOUS. - ive got the game.
about tree swaying, who looks at trees when there racing, your suppost to look at the road, or else you crash, so the game developers can sacficice tree geometry movements.
yes tree swaying is all geometry (if you know what that means).
and for non racing games i forgot to mention that the ATI card (360) will have slightly better geometry (better looking trees + foliage, thin things (in the game, like cables) etc as it has geometry instancing, which the RSX doesnt have.
and anubis, all of my posts in the last month and onwards have been inbiased, you said that post of mine about FPP was unbiased because i was saying good things about the PS3.
jees you got a lot to learn. if someone just came on new to the forum, they would uipon reading that thought id be biased to the PS3.
someone with more intellect (not insulting you at all) can tell if something unbiased even if it leans towards something, or a big point.
like i was.
its not just on one side of the fense (like u currently), anubis you need to cut a hole in it and stand in the middle.
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
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7. January 2006 @ 14:28 |
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"who looks at trees when there racing, your suppost to look at the road,"
Lmao, I guess anibus does. can u iimagine that in real life?
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TruthMan
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7. January 2006 @ 14:30 |
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yea, hehehe
well thats why i thought it was a really crap point, lol
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7. January 2006 @ 14:45 |
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it shows they can do it will no performance loss. it also looks better in replays and thes more going on, making it more relative and pleslant to the eye. and you said the points ps3 has over 360 but that it hasnt been made so we cant be sure yet. that is unbiased. that is how i feel. i like the stats of the ps3 better right now but not much is shown, finalized, or proven.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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Does anyone know the real reason why sega dreamcast went out of the consol wars?
I've read that game developers were complaining that the games for dreamcast was WAY to hard to develope. So they stoped making games.
Its not, I REPEAT its not because of sales. For a fact, sega dreamcast was doing very well at launch. It sold out worldwide in the tfirst 24 hours.
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yeah it did seem a little wierd, i mean i knew a few people who had it and at the time it had the hype but now i know why it went out, thanks kookoo.
ps. i just completed call of duty 2 single player for the second time, lol.
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the 360 is going be end like the dreamcast. it wont be because of difficulty programming games, but more over the big, long, interesting, high definition games will be out in more plentiful supply for the ps3. m$ seeing this now offers you an HD-DVD drive soon to be release for "movies only" but if they dont make it for games too or make a new 360 model, they will be lost and gone after 2-3 years
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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TruthMan
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8. January 2006 @ 05:24 |
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ahha yet again anubis you have spoken out of context, how do you know that will happen. what makes you think that.
do you know how deep microsoft's pockets are!
*if* it went bad they could easily afford to provide a big boost to it easily, something sony could not so easily do if the PS3 went down.
dont under estimate microsoft!.
ur last post simply proved (*again*) that you so are a fanboy.
even if you deny it, in your conscience you urself know that YOU are a fanboy of sony.
about the specs. the PS3 specs dopnt show anything related to performance. they are just higher numbers when compared to the 360, not getting into anything detailed here, but the specs show NOTHING if you are someone who knows how games/hardware works.
e.g. higher core speed doesnt mean the cards faster// as most of ur (excluding you) now know due to previous arguments.
kookoo, i have still got my dreamcast. with about 20 games, yay!
inc. sonic adventure 1, house of the dead 2 with a gun, LMAO.
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i dont see the ps3 going down uless there are failing systems because of the fanbase and the lack of need to buy exorbetanly priced addons.
as for the 360? sure m# has the money but they would lose more than they care to. plus, look at how m$ just keeps throwing more and more things at you you have to buy. more addons like wifi and hdd and HD-DVD. they will probably announce in a year that games will start coming out for HD-DVD because if they dont they will lose support from developement teams. they will get more orginal, more short, and less exciting games than the ps3 because of the lose of space vs the size of future gaming. after saying there would be no HD-DVD, and now there is, i dont trust their "well we have it but not for games ever". if they do release games for it they will lose a big fan base for having lied 2ce about that and having released a beta on the market. m# is in a lot of sh*t right now, and i do believe there is a class action lawsuit against them over the 360.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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look ps3 is a console for rpg's, therefore they need to have large levels more charcters and more detail, etc. but the xbox 360 is best for fps and i can not think of an fps thats will go over 9G in the next few years. look at halo it had so many levels but that was well under 9G and if games do exceed 9G and will need 2 disks i will proably not get them anyways b/c they are most likely to be rpg's or a game like gta.
oh and later on this year there is going to be a game released on xbox 360 similar to the gta, whcih at the moment is only one fith done and you can already ride a car of the top of something, while in the air you can jump out the window and as you jump shoot the tank and land watching the car blow while still in the air, lol.
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You dont know what you are talking about...(again)
Of cource halo didnt go over 9 GB. It is a xbox game. No game for xbox or ps2 went over 9 gb. As in each generation , games get way way bigger. (from snes to n64 was 1mb to 24mb[24x larger]) Firsts personss will go over 9 GB.
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Oh, rumered that the dreamcast will re release for like 70$ at CES. lol
Did i already say this?
Just to point out somthing, im say more of a sega fan. ll, if a new sega came out. I would screw over the ps3. Lol
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rofl, as a child i fking LOVED SEGA, i even had a sonic t-shirt when i was 7 years old, lmfao.
and i did a real sh*t sonic impression. aww man i am so embarrased when i think about it now. *blushes*
hehehe
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8. January 2006 @ 13:15 |
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I have read your posts and they are very interesting.
The tree mechanics I have heard about and told you about way before anubis's post can also be done on 360. This is not somthing that only PS3 can do. The only reason why PGR3 has not got them is simply the amount of time to develop the game.
anubis comes out with yet another few PS3 fanboy comments, as to be expected but it is wrong to say 360 will be like the Dreamcast with out no evidence and just going by the space on a disc. (dont seem to remember Dreamcast failing becuase of disc size space).
It is wrong to presume the 360 will lose becuase of the DVD9 format. Your comments where based as if developers only have the option to put a game on one disc. Remember it can be placed onto 2 or more disc's and the only disadvantage will be having to swap them over.
I just sold my Dreamcast but thought it was a good console with games like Code Veronica and House of the Dead. I thought the games on the Dreamcast looked alot sharper than the PS2 aswell.
Finally these addons than anubis keeps talking about. There are two majour addons I can think of (if you buy the premium pack presuming it will be around the same price as PS3) these being the Wi-fi add on and the HD-DVD addon. I see this as somewhat good from my view. The PS3 will not come with a hardrive so people will have to buy a hardrive for saving applications, internet and Linux. Some people would like to pay for a 360 being cheaper without these included. Most people I know dont have a wirless internet connection in the house. The HD-DVD disadvantage will be only for movies as I said ages ago. Microsoft should have included this with the system I feel but if it is cheaper with out it then some people are ok with thier DVD's at the moment and considering there are hardely any or no films out on this format yet there isnt much point. It will be a few years before HD-DVD becomes a standard for films.
Anyway if Blue ray fails as a standard for films then those who have the PS3 will have to invest in a HD-DVD player to watch High Deff films.
Sorry to seem so towards 360 but all points here are made against 360, but unfortunatly they are not good points.
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i would have said that but i was just simply WAY 2 lazy today, and yesterday. *sigh*
my muscles have withered away, just sitting on my arse all day.
lol^^^^ just a joke.
i do lots of things, and ive stopped giving technical assistance to other people and family for a while because im bored of it, a few weeks break should do it nicely.
but on the forum i will still do and explain whats needed to be done.
interesting points zelda, very true.
the size of games increasing in size each generation is random, not proportional (as i once thought and said one time a while ago).
so if one as 24x bigger, it doesnt mean the other leap will be the same or bigger, it may very well be much smaller.
take COD 2, way under 9GB and that is next gen game/graphics.
dont just assume.
it seems the main game size issue is people *assuming* that games will be MUCH larger when most lilely they will be larger, but not that much larger.
nowadays a generation jump seems to be less significant than the last jump. (basically each jump gets smaller each time). NOT the same or bigger.
if you drew a graph of generation against technoligical advancements (with the point i just made), there would be a small negative correlation. as generation increases , tech advancements decrease (a bit*) each time.
i checked as i wrote this post, and it matches up right, it makes sense.
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