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Nvideas rsx pipelines vs 360 ATI pipelines 360 core vs ps3 cell
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KoOkOo67
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8. January 2006 @ 13:55 |
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Of cource you agree.
ok then..
from n64 to gamecube was 24mg to 2 gb. More than a 24x increase in size.
This gen of games will increase in size, and will be more than 5x than the xbox or ps2. Its common sence. The sizes wont stay the same.
from nes to snes, was like 500kb to 1-2mb
snes to n64 was 1-2mb to 24mb
from n64 to GC was 24 mb to 2 gb.
The only consol that did'nt significantly increase in size was PSX and PS2.
Was it 500mb to 4gb?
But still, thats an 8x space increase.
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fazyninja
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8. January 2006 @ 14:02 |
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what do you mean "of course you agree", stop with this child like attitude, if i post something whatever it is even if it is two words like i agree then you come back at me with an agrument, i mean tell truth man he is the one who posted it and all i did was agree with it.
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8. January 2006 @ 14:27 |
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Lol
I didnt think you would find that offencive.
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zelda64
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8. January 2006 @ 16:00 |
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I am still trying to figure out whats going on.
How can anyone say DVD9 is better than Blue ray? I know no one has said that but from your post Kookoo your trying to say that games naturaly increase in size due to more information regarding Graphics, music, AI, etc.
This is simple, everyone knows games will increase in size on this generation and the fact the 360 comes with a DVD9 player for games and not a HD-DVD player for the games could be considered as a negative move by Microsoft compared to PS3.
So all in all I agree with Kookoo as anyone should. Games will take up more space in this generation, it's blatently obviouse so this doesnt need to be pointed out anymore.
So with this in mind we know 360 games will come on more than one disc, meaning you will have to change discs at a certain point in the game and PS3 will have games coming on the one disc so you will not have to change discs during the game. So this is one of the advantages the PS3 has over 360. I really would like to stop discusing Blue ray now if this is ok.
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zelda64
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8. January 2006 @ 16:41 |
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Off the topic here but I dont have much time and havent had the time to keep up to date on computer hardware.
What is the best Nvidea Graphics card for the PC and what is the best ATI graphics card for the PC
I need to know for my job interview
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8. January 2006 @ 16:45 |
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its best if you go to the pc graphics card forum, lol. i think the nvidea one is the 7800, but i am not sure.
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8. January 2006 @ 17:29 |
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But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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TruthMan
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9. January 2006 @ 06:00 |
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about that post, i WASNT REFERRING DIRECTLY about the PS3 and xbox 360, i was a bit but indirectly.
i was mainly speaking about that in all other things also.
the actual generation jump thing was about the technology gap betwen each one, it gets smaller with each jmup, but only a bit.
i never once said that DVD9 *ever* is better than Blu-ray, and i DO KNOW that games WILL get larger. but we just dont know how much larger they will be in general, it is random and differers with each game and genre (generalised with genres).
unless a game developer called you/you contacted them and you find out how big the next series of a certain game will be then you have no ways of knowing exactly.
you can compare older generation gaps because they have already been/happened/occoured.
but my main point is that the generation gap between the SNES and N64, was MUCH MUCH bigger than the current generation leap that has just happened, <game graphics detail and size>.
and Zelda:
the best CURRENT Nvidia card is 7800GTX 512
the best CURRENT ati card is X1800XT, but the X1800XT PE is VERY close to full release (some have leaked out for people to buy).
the X1800XT is the direct competitor to the 7800GTX 256
the X1800XT PE is the direct competitor to the 7800GTX 512.
so on what's available NOW then the 7800GTX 512 is the winner, but overall the X1800XT PE is the *slight* winner
so if i were you id just say the 7800GTX 512 for nvidia
and X1800XT PE for ATI, then say ATI X1800XT is slightly faster than 7800GTX 256 in over half of the tests, and the X1800XT PE is slightly faster than the 7800GTX 512 in over half of the tests.
there ya go.
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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9. January 2006 @ 10:39 |
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Truthman,i just showed you that each generation .
"the actual generation jump thing was about the technology gap betwen each one, it gets smaller with each jmup, but only a bit. "
I'm not quite clear about what you are saying........
But please, tell me if i miss understood.
from nes to snes, was like 500kb to 1-2mb 4x
snes to n64 was 1-2mb to 24mb 24x
from n64 to GC was 24 mb to 2 gb. 83x
Each bump got bigger
PSX 500mb to ps2 4gb 8x
PS2 to ps3 4gb vs (20gb+\55gb)5- 14x increase or "bump"
Even if its in median, its still a 9.3X increase
As I pointed out yett again, the bumps got much bigger each year.
Please no more:)
And yea, w.e truthman said abou t the vcard is true.....LOl
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chimpanel
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9. January 2006 @ 12:28 |
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Hey some good news for those who have or plan to get a 360. Originaly there was speculation that morrowind oblivion was coming out on four discs, not a major problem but multiple discs can be a slight pain. It has now been officialy confirmed that it will be coming out on 1 disc.
http://www.xbox360news.com/
This looks good for DVD9 as morrowind oblivion has next gen graphics and from what ive heard, seen and judging from the previous titles will be a very large rpg. This means in the future I bet we will see games coming out on a maximum of 2 discs perhaps, no more. Also on that link you will see halo 3 is confirmed (suprise, suprise) so hopefully we might see some pics soon.
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The first games wont be that many disks. Wait in a couple of years from now. Where games will need this space. You do know xbox360 uses 1 core right?
You do know that oblivion is probably(most likely)going to be multy consol.
Its allready announced its going on the pc soon.
if you check out PC games on gamespot you would know.
That tells you one thing. Its not going to be graphically best. If a pc can run it, (most PC's use 6600 or 6200)......You probably know what I'm getting at. And yes, most PC RPG's are long long games. But very repetative aswell. Ever played silkroad online?
Its probably going to take a while b4 it goes on ps3 thought. JUst liek MGS.
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>_<
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chimpanel
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9. January 2006 @ 20:04 |
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The thing is ive seen morrowind video's because ime real interested in that game and whilst the graphics do not compare to something like fight night they aren't bad either, it is what i would call good graphics. Secondly whilst rpg's may be repetitve that isn't the point, rpg's are usually the largest and take up the most space therefore what ime trying to say is just say you have a large game like morrowind oblivion, then because its a few years down the line it has graphics better than fight night. Okay now seeing as oblivion is on one disc and the only thing that has changed is the graphics then I cannot see a graphical imrovement meaning it will take up more than 2 discs?
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zelda64
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10. January 2006 @ 02:13 |
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I have seen the news what Chimpanel speaks of and I find Chimpanel's view very true.
We all know Morrow wind is a large RPG based game. The reason why Morrowind was delayed for the 360 is becuase the developers didnt get thier hands on a 360 dev kit until the last minute and relised the power of the 360. So they are improving graphical quality and still it fits onto the one disc. Therefore if you have morrowind and improve on its graphical quality by 2 (which will be beyond Fight Night graphics) you will have a game that fits onto two discs and no more. The Ps3's one blue ray disc is better as it will be of course on the one disc but if the exclusive games like Gears of War turn out to be better than the exclusive games on PS3 then the sacrafice of having a game on 2 discs rather than one doent really matter.
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chimpanel
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10. January 2006 @ 02:28 |
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well said zelda
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TruthMan
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10. January 2006 @ 06:15 |
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yes good speach both of u guys.
kookoo, you are confused,
the generation leap i was talking about was technology only, not game sizes.
game sizes was a seperate talk where i was only saying that ultimately we just dont know how big the games will be, refer to my previous post now that you know what im on about.
generation talk was *seperate* to the "game size" generation talk,
i KNOW that game's WILL BE BIGGER, but NOW (not years ago) the sizes games get bigger by are *STARTING* to decrease slowly.
the x they are getting bigger by are lower numbers.
next gen games arnt 4x or 8x or 12 x bigger (or even more), they are more like 1.25 to 1.5x (for FPS's) and in some cases (like RPG's) 1.5 to 2x bigger. get it.
think of it as a graph, game size jumping will have steep hill upwards, until now, where the hill now is shallower, and is slowly rising.
and the slower it gets, the further the generation it is.
BUT for all we know, something new could happen in like 10 years (just a random guess with 10) where game developers can make games MUCH MUCH bigger again,
but about that case we simply dont know.
and about the medium problem, external HD-DVD.
problem sorted :-)
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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stay in school, dont do drugs. 0.5x meas half the size and 1x meand te same size. polygons and wireframing of doday is lage, and so are texture. i predict a 2-10x the size, depending on a game length and in-depthness
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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TruthMan
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10. January 2006 @ 06:42 |
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sry my mistake, i meant a 1.5 to 2x increase, LOL
ill correct it.
Don't judge the consoles by specs, more isnt always better, espec in PS3 specs.i know the truth, ask if u wanna know.......
Do not compete without valid correct technicality on your terms of the argument.
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well when i saw oblivion i thought it looked pretty good but now zelda says its going to twice as good when it comes out. the game also has a hell of a lot of detail in charcters, proably the best i have heard of.
I also read somewhere that it will consist of several miles of land free for you to walk about in. so for all that to be on one disk, kinda proves what i said before when anubis said that it would be a pain if you were playing a football game and had to change disks (i can not see a football game going over 9G)unless the team are a Vigilante group that go around the streets of new york protecting the Innocent, when not playing a football game, lol.
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KoOkOo67
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10. January 2006 @ 10:22 |
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GTa will probably go on the 360, just not as soon as it hits on ps3. Just like last year.
Again, people are using examples of the firsts games that come out on xbox360.Which dont require lots of space, when they are single threaded. 1/3 cores using it. That tells you one thing, games will dramatically increase.
Can anyone find how much space a football game is on a ps2?
Please, find an isos, i want to clear up somthing.
I'm to lazy now.
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thats what i thought until i read that article.
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10. January 2006 @ 14:12 |
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i think madden 06 for ps2 was about 3 gigs
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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zelda64
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You still dont get me Kookoo. You have seen Morowind, right? Very good graphical quality. You have seen and played past Morrowind games, right? Then you will know that they are a long RPG.
Now take Morrowind's graphics and double it. You will have a game that utalises a large amount of the 360's power, around the 85% mark. Therefore a large RPG game with graphical quality of twice that of Oblivion and you will have a game that utalises a large amount of 360's power that will only be on 2 disc's.
One thing I would like to point out. Previously I didnt say Morowind was going to be twice its graphical quality, which is why it was delayed. I said the graphics where going to be slightly impoved apon. I was suggesting that if the graphical quality was doubled then it will only take up 2 discs.
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hey zelda, double the graphics of morowind and 1, it will be atleast 2 or 3 discs, 2, the 360 will not be capable of it. sure these system have almost top of the line processors, but the graphics card remains the same. you cant overclock it, so i could on see games getting at most 25% better on either system.
But they all do sort of the same thing, and that is rearrange what you thought was real, and they remind you of the beauty of very simple things. You forget, because youre so busy going from a to z, that theres 24 letters in between... You turn on... tune in... and you drop out...
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