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VideoBob
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4. July 2004 @ 08:40 |
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DaNut:
You need to read my posts from the 29th. I get four movies (6 hours) on a single tape by simply loading and editing in Ulead Video Studio 7 and authoring in Ulead Movie Maker 3--which you have. I don't know if the demo version has the settings, but in the oaid version you have control of the output quality and can burn six hour DVDs with the click of a mouse.
In addition, almost every home DVD video burner I looked at in the stores allowed burning six hour DVDs directly from VHS.
Withthout needing studio quality, it seems that you are going through a lot of effort needlessly. I don't rip, convert, merge, or anything. I simply input, edit, and burn (although I do prefer to burn to .iso files for repeatability.
Also, one of the reasons it takes you so long is that your system is very low in resources. a 512 Mb memory module would do you wonders and it isn't that expensive.
Also look at where your temp files are located. They are probably defaulting to C:--which might be filling up. In any case, defrag both drives before you start the process. (I am assumiing that your large drive is an add-on.)
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DaNut
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4. July 2004 @ 13:20 |
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Thanks alot for your help, I will be sure to try your method.
I am on a tight budget, but Ive already upgraded from 128MB to 384MB. Maybe in the near future I can go 512MB, however, my computer can only go up to a 512MB stick.
I have all of my TEMP files going into a seperate folder on my 250GB drive, but it has only been defragged once last month. I usually defrag once a month. Maybe I'll do it every time I burn a VHS tape.
Sorry I didnt see your post before. I stayed up til 3am reading most of this thread (pretty freakin long if you ask me lol), and I skipped over the posts that didnt apply to me. Ive already tried Ulead, and it didnt work so I must have skipped yours too. I will go back and read some more, and then try it again. I'll let ya know how it turns out. Thanks again!
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pinkish
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5. July 2004 @ 14:43 |
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Minion,
I've tried encoding both interlaced and progressive from my DV files (captured with ADVC 100). I have a video with scrolling horizontal text (like the news on CNN) and it appears doubled when i keep all frames (interlaced encoding). I encoded this file using the Mainconcept 1.04 HD plugin for Adobe Premiere. What software do the guys at Hollywood use? It's incredible, i've tried EVERY encoding software on the market, and still i get poor results. All i want is to convert my interlaced DVD to interlaced DVD that can be watched properly on my DVD player and my computer (just like the Hollywood DVD's).
I'm sorry i'm always bothering you Minion, and i aprreciate you helping me. You seem to have a lot of knowledge because you have great video experience.
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Minion
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5. July 2004 @ 15:25 |
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Well Actually Hollywood DVD"s are Progressive because Movies are mostly shot on film which is Progressive, and the way they make Hollywoon DVD"s interlaced is By adding 3:2 Pulldown flags or Teleclineing...When working with 29.976fps DV Files you can"t make DVD"s the way Hollywood DVD"s are made...
And don"t go by what the Video looks like on your PC monitor because Video is displayed totally differently on your TV set than on your TV set....
At my Work we use Hardware Mpeg2 encodeing useing a Very expensive Hardware Mpeg encoder for encodeing any Footage to Mpeg2 for DVD...
You said in your Post that:
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"All i want is to convert my interlaced DVD to interlaced DVD that can be watched properly on my DVD player and my computer (just like the Hollywood DVD's).
Does this mean you are Captureing DVD"s from a DVD Player useing the ADVC-100???
If so then this is not the way to do it..You should Rip DVD"s to your Hard drive as opposed to captureing them...
The reason why you get that Doubling effect when viewing interlaced footage on your PC is because your Monitor displays Both Fields of a Frame at the Same Time but your TV set will only Display One Field at a Time so you should get that doubleing effect...And when encodeing interlaced DV Material to Mpeg2 you should allways Make sure you have the Field order set to "Bottom Field First"...If you still get interlace artifacts when watching interlaced Content on your TV no matter what Field order you use then you Might Try de-Interlaceing which I usually do not recomend...
I find the Best De-Interlacer is the Smart Bob filter in AVISynth...I have been helping this guy that has an ADVC-50 with Learning how to use AVISynth with CCE SP and his Captures Look great after encodeing to Mpeg2 useing CCE and all Of my encodeing is done useing AVISynth with CCE SP and the Quality is allways Exelent...
So maybe explain exactly what you are Doing and then maybe I"ll have a clearer understanding of what is causeing the Problem and I will be better able to help....Cheers
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pinkish
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6. July 2004 @ 10:58 |
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MINION, i will tell you exactly what i do and you please tell me what to do to increase quality.
1. i capture DV-AVI through ADVC-100 from VHS tapes (home tapes recorded by me)
2. i edit the DV-AVI in Premiere Pro 1.5
3. i export the file to MPEG using the Mainconcept MPEG Pro plugin HD Version 1.0.4 (latest version) with the DVD profile
4. i play the files on a standalone player & TV
I did that and had good quality. I want to ask you some things:
- is CCE SP 2.67.00.27 better than Mainconcept MPEG Pro plugin HD 1.0.4 ? what is THE BEST encoder on the market?
- i found some Quant Matrices settings that they say are better than the default settings (http://www.videohelp.com/forum/archive/t148219.html) should i use those or the default?
- if i choose CCE or Mainconcept or other encoder, is there a Manual or something that i can read to understand some settings (for example, in Mainconcept: P Frame Motion Vectors-> Forward Search Height=63)
I want to tell you that i'm not interested in knowing everything about a program, because it could take YEARS! I only want to know the best MPEG2/DVD software encoder and the best-quality settings for that encoder.
Thanx!
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wooduck
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7. July 2004 @ 02:20 |
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Hi Minion.
I am seeking your advice like everyone else on this thread it seems.
Firstly my System.
I have an intel celeron 1.7
running Windows XP.
512mb Ram
1 x 40gb HDD (C)
1 x 120gb HDD (slave)
LG4081 DVDRW
BenQ CDRW
1.4 floppy
Pinnacle PCTV internal capture card. (New)
On Board sound.
I have been very successfuly backing up DVD's .
After trying various s/ware I have settled on "Shrink" for encoding and "Clonedvd" for writing the files to DVD. I have had excellent results.
Now I am getting into the VHS to DVD area and like a million others I seem to be in a big hole
I have read through this thread, from the 27 th Oct up to the latest and there are so many different combinations of gear, that it's easy to get lost.
I have managed to backup to a VCD of reasonable quality, if I choose DVD instead I am able to get as far as pushing the record button and zippo nothing.
Whatever software I have tried always comes up wit different problems.
I have tried Power Director pro, Mydvd, Dvdx something, ulead video studio etc etc.
The only things that seem common to all this are the processor, or the video capture card.
I would appreciate your or anyone elses observations.
Thanks
Wooduck
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dml
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8. July 2004 @ 03:01 |
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I'm doing it the easy way, bought a standalone DVD recorder about a month ago, and converted all my home vhs videos to dvd.
I started to do my videos that I bought as well, and some of them worked without a problem, but with some of the others I think I ran into the copy protection problem.
When I press the record button on the dvd recorder, a red cp flashes in the bottom right corner of the television, and the dvd recorder does not start recording. Is there a way with a standalone dvd recorder to overcome this problem?
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mdl3r1
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8. July 2004 @ 09:15 |
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Hey dml
How much recording time did you get on your DVD recorder, feeding it VHS tape output? Does the standalone DVD recorder let you choose how much time you put on a DVD?
Just wondering.
As for overcoming the other issue, that's the copyright protection. I know Minion has mentioned an image stabilizer, but I guess you'd have to use it as if you were copying vhs to vhs; meaning, take output of the VCR/VHS tapes, into and through the image stabilizer device, and its output into the recorder, in your case thise being the DVD recorder.
He says they're available cheap on eBay, like ~ 30 bucks?, but i personally never messed with those little devices.
Hope that helps
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Timbuck2
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8. July 2004 @ 16:41 |
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I just bought a Canopus ADVC 300 and was wondering, if anyone knows, if I can disable the Macrovision in the same way you can on the ADVC 100. I'd find out for myself but it's in the mail right now so I figured I'd bother you folks since you seem to know what's going on.
Thanks in advance.
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Minion
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8. July 2004 @ 17:01 |
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I don"t think so, I haven"t heard anything about being able to disable the Macrovision detection on the ADVC-300...I believe the ADVC-100 is the only one of the ADVC"s with that feature as I know the ADVC-50 and ADVC-55 don"t have it...If you are just doing VHS Tapes you can get a $30 Video Stabilizer that will remove the Copy protection......
Cheers ...
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mdl3r1
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8. July 2004 @ 17:32 |
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Hey Minion,
I today ran a long video capture off my S-VHS (analog, of course) camcorder...1 hour, 36 minutes long, 21.4 GB size. I will use this as my first transfer/encoding/authoring, etc trial file...
1)How long should it take to encode that AVI file that size, with the Main Concept Encoder, since that's easier than CCE and almost as fast, and faster than TEMPenc?
2)And about how big will the resulting mpeg file?
3) what do I do with the sound part of the AVI (since ACEDVio locks/combines video with audio? How does I get it to ac3: separate encoding? If so, what size will the AC3 file be abouts?
Just want to get idea of sizes and times.
Thanks in advance
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Minion
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8. July 2004 @ 18:25 |
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Hi, Well the speed of the Encodeing depends on the speed of your PC..If you have a PC that is about 2.5ghz it shouldn"t take more than 2 hours to encode a 1.5 hour file..The size of the File has no real effect on how long it takes to encode it is the Length of the File and the Resolution....
To encode the audio to AC3 you are going to need an AC3 encoder which there are not a lot of them...If you use TMPGEnc DVD author to author your DVD"s then you can get an AC3 Plugin for it and it will encode the audio to AC3 before authoring the DVD, the Plugin also works with "Tmpgenc 3.0 Express" so that can also be used to encode the audio to AC3....
What I use is Vegas Video 5 with the AC3 Plugin...
You don"t have to use AC3 you can also use Mpeg 1 Layer 2 audio also called MP2 for createing DVD"s, the file sizes are about the same but AC3 supports Surround sound and MP2 doesn"t and mp2 is a little lower in quality but you wouldn"t really notice it, You can also use Wav audio but it takes up far too much space on the DVD....
A 1.5 hour Sterio AC3 file at 192kbs would be about 150mb ,Mp2 would be about the same size when useing the same bitrate and Wav or LPCM can be up to 1.2gb...
To get the Wav audio out of the DV AVI file you have to either extract the audio or Demux the File into seperate audio and Video streams...
If you don"t have an AC3 encoder you might as well use MP2 audio so when encodeing in Mainconcept make sure you choose the "Layer 2" setting and make sure it is at 48000hz and any bitrate between 128kbs and 384kbs, the Higher the better the quality....Cheers
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dml
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8. July 2004 @ 21:10 |
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Hi mdl3r1
Yes, my standalone dvd recorder allows me to set the recording time from 1hr up to 6hrs.
Minion, can you confirm that the stabilizer will work with a standalone dvd recorder as well? Any particular makes that are good or better than the others?
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9. July 2004 @ 05:39 |
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Many months ago, I too asked about how to eliminate Macrovision when copying my VHS movies to my hard drive to place them on DVD - a video stabilizer was recommended on this forum. I ended up buying a "Sima Copy This" (Sima CT-1) stabilizer on the internet (may be cheaper on e-bay). It works great. Cost was about $40- 50 (can't remember). I found it by doing a "Google" search and selected the lowest price one that I could find (range was from $40+/- to $90+/-) - hope this helps.
DVDTD
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DaNut
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9. July 2004 @ 07:03 |
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I dont know if this helps, but I copy vhs-movies alot just simply by hooking 2 VCR's together. I rarely have a cpyright issue, and now that I have a dual deck VCR, its even easier.
I would think that if you copy the movie to a normal vhs-tape and then put it on a dvd, you might not have that macrovision problem, but if I am wrong let me know, or someone comment on it, Im still kinda new at this
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VideoBob
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12. July 2004 @ 14:57 |
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wooduck:
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I have managed to backup to a VCD of reasonable quality, if I choose DVD instead I am able to get as far as pushing the record button and zippo nothing.
Whatever software I have tried always comes up wit different problems.
I have tried Power Director pro, Mydvd, Dvdx something, ulead video studio etc etc.
The only things that seem common to all this are the processor, or the video capture card.
I would appreciate your or anyone elses observations.
Actually, the only things that are *not* common between successes and failures are the drive/media combination (assuming you are doing your VCDs on CDs) and your "Copy Type" option (ie. VCD vs DVD).
My money is on the drive/media combo. Make sure that your drive has the latest firmware upgrade (you can download patches from the mfg's site) and that your particular media is supported.
Use something like the freeware DvdinfoPro to read what your media *really* is--don't depend upon the packaging or labelling.
http://www.dvdinfopro.com/
Then burn a Data DVD just to make sure that the combo works.
You can eliminate the hardware by simply burning to an ISO file. If that works, then use your CD-burning program (Nero, EZ-CD Creator, etc.) to burn a disk from that.
You will crash if: A) your file is bigger than your media can hold; B) if your system is below specs for your software; C) If the drive(s) YOU ARE USING (not just the one(s) you think you are using) don't have enough room for 1) Your working intermediate files (Video), 2) your scratchpad (temp) files (if different), 3) Windows Virtual paging files and 4) Your final output.
Some programs take several times more space *temporarily* than the output requires.
Also, an overly fragmented drive will often crash a memory-intensive program--like video production. If your drive is fragmented, then your paging files are fragmented and that is *BAD*.
Defrag before rendering and *LOOK* to see where the software is putting its temp files. Just because you have an extra 120 GB drive *available* does not mean that the programs are actually *using* it. They won't unles you reset their defaults to do so.
Burn an ISO image file. If that works, the problem is drive/media related.
Older drives will not only NOT burn newer, faster, media; to attempt to do so will often BURN OUT the DVD head--frequently leaving the CD R/W capability untouched. That recently happened to both a new Polaroid drive of mine--with older firmware--(the factory had to replace it) and an older Pioneer that is out of warranty, so I had to eat it. Needless to say, I've learned my lesson the hard way.
bob
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wooduck
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12. July 2004 @ 19:49 |
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Hi Video Bob
Tnx for your reply.
I will go through what you have advised and see if it is one of the problems you mention.
The DVDR is new, the pinacle video in is new.
The PC is old (these days old!!!) 12 months, but I did go for a cheapy, serves me right. A 1.7 celeron has to be old hat now, thinking of upgrading to a 2.4 celeron, (WOW), just so that I don't have to change the mboard. I am not a wealthy guy, so economy is usually a must when you are an oldie of 71.
Once again thanks and I will advise progress.
Wooduck
I do buy low end priced media, but I haven't had any failures copying DVD's with what I am using. But I will get a couple of better quality r/w's to mess about with and start from there.
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rjxtian
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12. July 2004 @ 23:38 |
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Minion : I am an amateur at video. I do know enough, to know that the help you give on this Board is invaluable. THANKS
My question is : You have said several times that a "$30.00 Video Stabilizer" would work in stripping the macrovison from VHS tapes. I want to preserve the best of the Commercial VHS tapes I have by copying them to a panasonic E55 dvd recorder.
I would like to get a specific brand name to buy. The closest I've seen to the $30.00 mark is the Sima Copy This CT1 at $49.95. I'm not sure it would be right to return a stabilizer if it fails to strip the macrovision, and I hate to waste money. All input will be greatly appreciated.
Robert
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moonstone
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13. July 2004 @ 07:45 |
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Hi Video Bob
I've attempted to copy my VHS to ISO without much luck. How do you go about that process? I'm using Arcsoft and Sonic with Adeptec Video card and I/O Magic burner. I have had some strange things happen with the video cache the first time I attempted to convert the copied vhs file on my drive to AVI. I have DVD Shrink and DVDDecrypter. The million dollar question - how to get the Mpeg file to ISO using what I have? I also am very new at this and trying to figure it out. Any suggestions?
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Minion
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13. July 2004 @ 10:25 |
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Rjxtian: The "Sima Copy This" is a good name Brand Video Stabilizer that should also work with copying from a DVD Player also...They are much better devices than the Cheapo Video stabilizers you can get for $30 and under on ebay so I would go for the Sima unit over the other cheaper units...
Moonstone: You do not have to go from Mpeg to ISO to Make a DVD or VCD/SVCD...
If you are Makeing a DVD you Must use a DVD Authoring program so you can add the Navigation perameters to your Movie like Menu"s and Chapters and the Program will format your File with the menu"s and Chapters to a Video_TS folder and burn it to DVD....
If you are Makeing VCD"s or SVCD"s you can simply Burn the Mpeg files to CD-R useing Nero in VCD or SVCD Mode ..There is no need to turn the Files into ISO Images or Bin/Cue files to make a working Disk..
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moonstone
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13. July 2004 @ 10:48 |
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Hi Minion - Thanks for the reply so quickly. When writing the vhs file to my hard drive both arcsoft and Sonic put the file into their own predefined folder, and it is not the video ts folder. Plus the file is usually too big for the DVD and no matter what attempts I have made at "editing" that doesn't seem to work much either except to put another copy of the file on my hard drive. Sonic has all this mickey mouse stuff that I don't want in my movie, like music and clouds etc when you use their edit feature. How do you tell the sonic and arcsoft software to put the file into the video ts folder? Thanks.
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Minion
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13. July 2004 @ 11:18 |
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You should maybe try useing different capture software , One that will capture the File directly to a Mpeg2 file and then you can use sonic to author the captured file to DVD...
I would suggest useing "WinDVR 3.0" and you should make your own custom Capture profile that way you can adjust the Capture bitrate so that the captured file is small enough to fit on a DVD..
If you post the Length of your VHS Movie I can tell you what bitrate you should use to capture the file so that it isn"t too big for a DVD.....
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moonstone
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13. July 2004 @ 11:51 |
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Hi Minion - thank you again for your quick response. So far the longest movie I've tried to copy has been 1 hour and 50 minutes. I'll check your recommendation out today. Thank you again.
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Minion
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13. July 2004 @ 13:31 |
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With a 1 hour 50 minute Movie you can Fit it on a DVD if you capture the VHS Tape useing a mpeg2 Video bitrate of 5350kbs and an audio bitrate of 192kbs at 48000hz...
If you use a Capture Program Like WinDVR 3.0 and Make a custom Profile useing those bitrate settings then you will be able to fit it on a DVD without haveing to compress it any further......Cheers
PS: if you use a bitrate calculator then you can calculate what bitrate you should use so you can fit a Movie on a DVD Based on the movies length....
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moonstone
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13. July 2004 @ 16:24 |
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Thank you Minion - I will give it a try and let you know how things come out.
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