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14. February 2008 @ 18:13 |
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lets start a "Crack the ps3" fund. i'll throw in a few bux...
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16. February 2008 @ 05:18 |
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ok you can send via paypal.
*Now... where did i put that hammer*
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16. February 2008 @ 15:57 |
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this could be sonys biggest marketing ploy, accidentally release the firmware protection code for drives into general population, let the modders hack it sales of ps3's triple over night with modders buying it then when everybodys settled into there usual role of pirating games to play on there modded ps3's let the power supply or main processor burn out n have modders buy more ps3s cuz they cant have em fixed under warrenty, worked for micro softies xbox 360 n the wii wont be far behind soon
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16. February 2008 @ 18:11 |
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Originally posted by phate316:
this could be sonys biggest marketing ploy, accidentally release the firmware protection code for drives into general population, let the modders hack it sales of ps3's triple over night with modders buying it then when everybodys settled into there usual role of pirating games to play on there modded ps3's let the power supply or main processor burn out n have modders buy more ps3s cuz they cant have em fixed under warrenty, worked for micro softies xbox 360 n the wii wont be far behind soon
No offence,but have you any idea how crazy what you have said sounds.
Sony make hardly any profit from the consoles,they make the biggest majority of thier profit from selling games.
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17. February 2008 @ 03:57 |
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Originally posted by phate316:
this could be sonys biggest marketing ploy, accidentally release the firmware protection code for drives into general population, let the modders hack it sales of ps3's triple over night with modders buying it then when everybodys settled into there usual role of pirating games to play on there modded ps3's let the power supply or main processor burn out n have modders buy more ps3s cuz they cant have em fixed under warrenty, worked for micro softies xbox 360 n the wii wont be far behind soon
I agree with phate316, this is doesn't sound too crazy or farfetched at all! We know that sony was losing money from the consoles when they were first released(http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/28/news_6128295.html), but with recent reports (http://news.filefront.com/sony-shrinking-blu-rray-player-possible-ps3-cost-reduction/) indicating that sony is possibly shrinking their blu-ray players, it is possibly for Sony to setup a ploy as phate316 described. Once everyone(resellers/hackers & regular consumers) purchased more [cracked] ps3's, increasing Sony's sales...all Sony would need to do is issue a fix/firmware update!! It would be a Win-Win for Sony.
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17. February 2008 @ 09:30 |
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Originally posted by gotkicks:
Originally posted by phate316:
this could be sonys biggest marketing ploy, accidentally release the firmware protection code for drives into general population, let the modders hack it sales of ps3's triple over night with modders buying it then when everybodys settled into there usual role of pirating games to play on there modded ps3's let the power supply or main processor burn out n have modders buy more ps3s cuz they cant have em fixed under warrenty, worked for micro softies xbox 360 n the wii wont be far behind soon
I agree with phate316, this is doesn't sound too crazy or farfetched at all! We know that sony was losing money from the consoles when they were first released(http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/28/news_6128295.html), but with recent reports (http://news.filefront.com/sony-shrinking-blu-rray-player-possible-ps3-cost-reduction/) indicating that sony is possibly shrinking their blu-ray players, it is possibly for Sony to setup a ploy as phate316 described. Once everyone(resellers/hackers & regular consumers) purchased more [cracked] ps3's, increasing Sony's sales...all Sony would need to do is issue a fix/firmware update!! It would be a Win-Win for Sony.
Dude i really dont mean to be offensive but what part of this did you find so hard to understand.
Sony make hardly any profit from the consoles,they make the biggest majority of thier profit from selling games.
I could try and explain it easier for you if you want.
Pirate games = huge profit losses for Sony.
Pirate games = means no money for Sony.
Pirate games = Sony make NO money.
Basicaly what the statement in bold means is that Sony wont make much profit from thier console,they will only make it from the sale of games meaning that when we are able to play pirate games Sony loose money,alot of money.
On the matter of Sony releasing a fix and it being win win for them,your wrong,once the PS3 is cracked thats it,no turning back it will be cracked forever.
And again i really dont mean to be offensive,but i cant understand how someone could believe what you and Phate316 believe.
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17. February 2008 @ 09:52 |
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What about people like me who usually buys games used. Does Sony get money from the second sale on the same game?
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17. February 2008 @ 09:54 |
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Originally posted by pcrazy99:
What about people like me who usually buys games used. Does Sony get money from the second sale on the same game?
No dude Sony dont make any profit on those games either.
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18. February 2008 @ 08:47 |
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sorry mate but i gotta agree with phate316.
if this little manoueveur ensures that people actually buy the PS3 then ATLEAST Sony will make 'Some' Profit, even though they wont buy the actual games.
its better than people not buying the games and NOT buying the console.
so i wouldnt be surprised if they did do this.
and besdies didnt they don something like this with the PSP?
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18. February 2008 @ 08:54 |
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Originally posted by mub6:
sorry mate but i gotta agree with phate316.
if this little manoueveur ensures that people actually buy the PS3 then ATLEAST Sony will make 'Some' Profit, even though they wont buy the actual games.
its better than people not buying the games and NOT buying the console.
so i wouldnt be surprised if they did do this.
and besdies didnt they don something like this with the PSP?
Sorry dude but do i have to redo my last post.People are buying the PS3 and by Christmas i think it will be the most popular console.
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18. February 2008 @ 09:24 |
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Originally posted by pcrazy99:
What about people like me who usually buys games used. Does Sony get money from the second sale on the same game?
Of course Sony doesn't get money directly from that sale but as you are buying from a business that makes money from selling or renting games, they will use that money from your purchase to buy new stock for their store. So indirectly Sony still gets profit.
Originally posted by phate316:
this could be sonys biggest marketing ploy, accidentally release the firmware protection code for drives into general population, let the modders hack it sales of ps3's triple over night with modders buying it then when everybodys settled into there usual role of pirating games to play on there modded ps3's let the power supply or main processor burn out n have modders buy more ps3s cuz they cant have em fixed under warrenty, worked for micro softies xbox 360 n the wii wont be far behind soon
This strategy could probably work if you were a shady low key operation but Sony would never consider such a tactic. What do you mean it worked for Microsoft? I just thought that they made the 360 poorly! :-P Could you provide exact detail of this strategy you say Microsoft used with the 360?
As Marcusita said, it wouldn't matter how many PS3's Sony sold because that is where they don't make money (for the time being). It is by selling games that they make money. So even if they did do what you suggested I fail to see how they would make money...
Sony makes $0 profit from each PS3 sold... Sony sells 2 PS3's to Mr Mod at $0 profit, times that by 2 and you still have $0.
In case you're wondering how does Sony sell the PS3 for such a high price and still not make any money. You need to take into consideration the years of development it took to design the PS3. The amount of people and time involved in this process would have been huge. Even if you consider just one of these top people involved in this project for say the last 6 years. By saying this person is one of the top people, I am referring to someone that has specialised skills that can demand a very high salary. So let's consider he makes $200,000 per year over 6 years. That is $1,200,000 just in one person's salary alone! Not to mention those that are on $500,000 + per year :-P. Then you've got material, resources, IT, machinery, prototypes etc.. That is even before production begins. Can you see now how the cost can add up to astronomical amounts?
I know some may see Sony as a corporate animal and with the battle they had with Toshiba (HD-DVD) lately, Sony have had to be very aggressive. However, business is business and aggressive works as long as it is legal. I am completely confident that Sony would never employ such a lowly strategy that you are trying to imply. Sony have a hugely successful infrastructure in place and I assure you that it is built upon good, solid work ethics.
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18. February 2008 @ 10:37 |
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Originally posted by mub6:
and besdies didnt they don something like this with the PSP?
You cant possibly believe that they meant to do that. For the psp they would patch the hack as soon as they heard of it.
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21. February 2008 @ 12:29 |
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wow didnt i open a can of worms, one thing puzzles me, i run a business and employ people, if for example i charge my customers the exact same money i pay my employees id go out of business in a week, so sony making zero profit from sales of ps3 is slightly off the mark, when they were first introduced, yes they sold at a loss even though the price was high , but manufacturing is the key and they can now produce units at a profit, and as for the most popular console your head is in the clouds, or didnt u see the sales figures and revenue profit from the great N in tend o, wii and ds out sell all other consoles and handhelds at the moment by a 3 to 1 ratio on 360 and 5 to 1 on the ps3.
please, my post was a light hearted attempt to show that, all major corperations are money hungry monsters and none are any less shady than any other, but think on the fact that microsofties captured the market for next gen for 6 months free reign, with firmware hacks the sales went up astronomically..
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21. February 2008 @ 12:45 |
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I never said the PS3 was the most popular i said it will in my opinion be the most popular by Christmas,which is ten months away.
The PS3 makes so little on the PS3 it might as well be zero,in fact they borrowed millions to make the PS3 so if any profit is made it goes to paying of the loan.
Sony will not release anything to jepordize the security of the PS3.
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21. February 2008 @ 18:03 |
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phate316, are you running a business the size of Sony? Do you honestly believe that they are already seeing profit for the PS3 and Blu-ray? What about all the invested capital for the years of development that it took to create the PS3 and Blu-ray?
I know I listed two technologies but you do need to remember they are one with the PS3.
EDIT: See this news article to back-up my point even further... http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/13009.cfm
Take these endorsement pay-outs into the equation and I am sure it will be a while before Sony (PS3 and Blu-ray) start to be in the profit zone.
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24. February 2008 @ 17:17 |
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I really dont care whether a corporation like sony makes a profit on the ps3 or blu-ray. So you guys should put your opinions aside and stop these ongoing debates about who is morally correct when it comes to backing up games and modding a console made by the sony corporation.
This thread was initially about ps3 backups and soon to be available modchips. And, so I am hoping that by bringing the thread back to its original topic, all of you moral idealists will stop with this corporate political banter.
The latest chip from InFeCtuS - the InFeCtuS 2 - looks to be the first soon to be released chip for the ps3. Check the link:
http://www.infectus.biz/
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25. February 2008 @ 03:27 |
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Originally posted by padsta:
I really dont care whether a corporation like sony makes a profit on the ps3 or blu-ray. So you guys should put your opinions aside and stop these ongoing debates about who is morally correct when it comes to backing up games and modding a console made by the sony corporation.
This thread was initially about ps3 backups and soon to be available modchips. And, so I am hoping that by bringing the thread back to its original topic, all of you moral idealists will stop with this corporate political banter.
It still is in topic padsta. It's about PS3 mod chips, isn't it? I don't think it's appropriate that you as a "Newbie" of Afterdawn join a thread to tell a "Senior Member" and a few "Members" of Afterdawn what they should talk about. I do hope you at least read the content of the posts you commented on before you made your post. I personally find (this is only my opinion) that phat316's statement about Sony purposely releasing a firmware exploit to be a little obscure, but we all have our own ideas. We discussed our opinions in a mature manner so as far as I can tell there is no problem at all. There were no arguments here. It's just an open discussion of different views. Most people here are open minded enough to be able to discuss things maturely and keep a positive mindset. We all have something to offer and we can learn from each other but it is only when we have the ability to see the positive in a situation that we can truly benefit.
I am sure that you are right about the PS3 mod chip not being far away. Let's hope that Infectus on the link you posted does indeed crack the PS3! :-D I think the PS3 will be a tough customer though. :-S
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25. February 2008 @ 17:37 |
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Originally posted by Ryu77:
Originally posted by padsta:
I really dont care whether a corporation like sony makes a profit on the ps3 or blu-ray. So you guys should put your opinions aside and stop these ongoing debates about who is morally correct when it comes to backing up games and modding a console made by the sony corporation.
This thread was initially about ps3 backups and soon to be available modchips. And, so I am hoping that by bringing the thread back to its original topic, all of you moral idealists will stop with this corporate political banter.
It still is in topic padsta. It's about PS3 mod chips, isn't it? I don't think it's appropriate that you as a "Newbie" of Afterdawn join a thread to tell a "Senior Member" and a few "Members" of Afterdawn what they should talk about. I do hope you at least read the content of the posts you commented on before you made your post. I personally find (this is only my opinion) that phat316's statement about Sony purposely releasing a firmware exploit to be a little obscure, but we all have our own ideas. We discussed our opinions in a mature manner so as far as I can tell there is no problem at all. There were no arguments here. It's just an open discussion of different views. Most people here are open minded enough to be able to discuss things maturely and keep a positive mindset. We all have something to offer and we can learn from each other but it is only when we have the ability to see the positive in a situation that we can truly benefit.
I am sure that you are right about the PS3 mod chip not being far away. Let's hope that Infectus on the link you posted does indeed crack the PS3! :-D I think the PS3 will be a tough customer though. :-S
I was simply offering my opinion Ryu77 - nothing more, nothing less - there was no malice or personal attack on others intended. I wont get involved in somekind of forum war with you or anyone else. But calling me close-minded and immature is not really a good way to prove your own maturity.
Being called a n00b or pointing out that I have "Newbie" below my tag doesnt offend me at all. If you pride yourself on being a "Member" or a "Senior Member", then thats cool. I guess I simply have different goals in life. The duelality of human is quite clear here - refer to the Ying-Yang theory for further information.
But lets put all that aside.
If we agree on only one thing, it means that we have something in common and we can be friends from here on in. Yes, the PS3 will be a tough cooke to crack, but I anticipate the day when it happens.
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25. February 2008 @ 17:50 |
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Dude Ryu made a valid point,we never took it of topic.
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25. February 2008 @ 18:09 |
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padsta, I am more than happy to be friends with you. If you see some of my other posts here I am often trying to diffuse arguments between others and make light of a situation.
The only question I have is where did I actually call you close-minded and immature? This is what I said...
Originally posted by Ryu77:
It's just an open discussion of different views. Most people here are open minded enough to be able to discuss things maturely and keep a positive mindset. We all have something to offer and we can learn from each other but it is only when we have the ability to see the positive in a situation that we can truly benefit.
I was actually assuming that you would be in this mature category. My post was more stating that we too are in this category and maintained a respectful conversation.
I absolutely did not mean to belittle the "Newbie" status, it was actually the opposite that I intended. My point was that most of us here at Afterdawn that have Member/Senior Member status have that title because of the huge amount of help we have given to others. In regards to the Yin Yang statement you made. I think that is great you are into Asian philosophy as I am too. Am I to also assume you are into Martial Arts? If you are then you would understand my comment about Newbie/Member status a little more. Would you walk into a training area as a "White Belt" and tell the "Senior" grades what to do? As far as goals in life go, I certainly don't pride myself on my status here. I have much more important things to consider. I am very career and development driven. You only need to see my sig to understand what I believe in (below the pic). In this hectic life we live we all need an outlet, a recreational activity. One of my hobbies is Technology, Home Theater etc., so I come here to get the latest news and help others when needed.
You seem like an intelligent person and it would be good to have you around here at Afterdawn. :-D
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26. February 2008 @ 00:26 |
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Thanks Ryu77, I am glad we got it all sorted out.
I am more of a gamer than a forum poster. If your ever on xbox live, look me up. I founded the clan "aSKa" - association Social Killers australia.
I'll keep yall posted on the outcome of the InFeCtuS chip, as I will be putting it in my PS3 and hopefully never paying for Phil Harrisons corporate golf days again
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26. February 2008 @ 03:09 |
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just to answer back to the question about running a company the size of sony, no i dont, but i produce a product that you find in your home in at least 5 places, we produce the two pin bayonet fittings for light sockets, so in a way were in more homes around the world than sony will ever be, my original post was to prove a point about marketing, that looking at previous console sales eveything that was ever moddable was a good seller, and if sony were immoral enough to leak this info, they could see success in sales the same way nintendo and microsoft do at the moment.
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26. February 2008 @ 09:01 |
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Originally posted by padsta:
I'll keep yall posted on the outcome of the InFeCtuS chip, as I will be putting it in my PS3 and hopefully never paying for Phil Harrisons corporate golf days again
Phil Harrison left Sony dude.
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26. February 2008 @ 09:02 |
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Originally posted by phate316:
i produce a product that you find in your home in at least 5 places, we produce the two pin bayonet fittings for light sockets,
Dude this is not intended to offend but as you say all corporations are shady,do you produce faulty fittings so that people will buy more.
Sony is never going to release anything that will let their system be hacked,where Sony differs from Microsoft and Nintendo is that they decided to sell their console very cheap and make profit from the games,as im sure you notice PS3 games are the dearest on the market
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26. February 2008 @ 09:22 |
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Originally posted by phate316:
phate 316 corperate ninja superstar
Marcusita, if that is his business title, would you take him seriously? Actually I laugh every time I look at it! :-D
Maybe phate316 should give some marketing tips to Sony...
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