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Will the ps3 ever be hacked?
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16. April 2009 @ 16:44 |
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Originally posted by smurfgod:
the main reason people want to hace the ps3 is to play backups...right??ok..if you think about it,with all the stuff your gonna have to buy(blue ray burner,disc.etc..etc..)its probably gonna bcost u about the same as if you actually went out and bought the game.idk...if someone does hack it i would give them props but prolly wouldnt be interested in it...sorry..
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Its called a stolen copy not a backup if you haven't bought the game.
seriously though, It would be pretty crap to work on a game for months and put in hours of work only to have someone download it for free and complain about how expensive blank blu rays are.
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16. April 2009 @ 22:12 |
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Sony Shoulda have toned it down in the PS3 release and stuck with DVD's. The Blu Ray sunk the PS3 from the start. DVD's took years upon years to get to where it is today.
Sony has tried to uproot the main media many times in the past and failed? Why take such a massive chance on doing it again, and sacrificing its PS3 at the same time?
They should have seen the obvious errors in their ways. But greed clouded their judgement. They knew they had a secure console this time. Making security one of the biggest design factors. With that you'd expect them to play it safer, and guarantee good results. They could have toned it down a lot and still had more to offer than the 360. They would also make it cheaper for other companies to make games.
Sony dug a huge hole this time, and they have to lay in it. Hopefully they have learned a lesson. But for some reason I'm not sure...
On a side note I'm still very confused as why the PS3 has an internal Power Supply... This makes no sense...
And the PS4... Most of the biggest supporters of Blu Ray thinks that it will be dead in a matter of years. Will Sony tumble again by sticking to their failed media? I hope not.
I'm also wondering if optical media will be present in a new console. With the success of coding security and the ability to detect mods/hacks and "brick" a console, forcing consoles to update from a newer game release, the need for people to have online abilities in their consoles, and the amazingly low prices of memory cards (SD, CF, etc.) I'm starting to visualize new consoles with their own type of media cards, ones that won't be released for any other purpose so there won't be "blank media". This with the securities they seem to be able to put into place if they take the time and spend the money, could completely deter piracy... or make it so hard to do, and so easy to detect that it can't catch on into mainstream that profits will be fixed.
Just my two cents...
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17. April 2009 @ 04:22 |
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Is it possible to play ps1/ps2 backup games on an 80GB PS3? It sucks that the 80GB cant play ps2 games, they are really cheap now and I could play some again. I had a ps2 of cause but sold it, dont have the room to keep all the systems on the side. I just think it was a daft move not allowing full backward compatibility. Some people have said it may come with an update? Do you think that is likely?
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17. April 2009 @ 05:09 |
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Originally posted by fuel_f2f:
Sony Shoulda have toned it down in the PS3 release and stuck with DVD's. The Blu Ray sunk the PS3 from the start. DVD's took years upon years to get to where it is today.
Sony has tried to uproot the main media many times in the past and failed? Why take such a massive chance on doing it again, and sacrificing its PS3 at the same time?
One of the reasons why the PS3 had to have a Blue-Ray drive was due to HDTV. A lot of people have upgraded their TV sets to HDTV plasmas or LCDs in order to watch programs in higher detail.
Now the problem is that a DVD only store 4.3GB of information which isnt enough to hold a full lenght movie in HD. So another format had to be made. Sony was making Blue-ray and Toshiba HD-DVD. So if Sony just added a plain DVD drive to the PS3 if would have opened the market up for Toshiba''s HD-DVD.
So unless Sony wanted to lose to the HD-DVD format they added Blue-ray to the PS3. And the best bit of this idea, people could either spend £400 on a HD-DVD player or £400 on a PS3 which just happens to have a BLue-ray drive included, so you get 2 for the price of 1 here.
So thanks to the PS fans buying a PS3 they already have a HD player in their homes, so why would they spend more on a HD-DVD player.
Which is why Blue-ray won the format war.
Second, current games require more than one DVD. Just like with the better games on the PS1 instead of 1 CD you required 4. People dont like changing disks all the time, and if you had an old machine like an Amiga 500 you;d understand that more. So obviously as Sony were developing Blur-ray at the time as well, it was the obvious choice to make it the drive for the PS3. And the reason above made it necessary as well.
So technically added a blur-ray drive to the PS3 was the only and most logical choice, as a DVD drive would have meant droppng out of the format war with Toshiba and HD-DVDs would be the main.
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17. April 2009 @ 05:28 |
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One word people: LINUX
It is quite easy to install linux onto a ps3 and run that as its os. so then if the ps3 is running as any other computer with a hardrive and internet access. i must ask...
Why is there a need to hack the ps3 itself?
once it is runninng as a normal computer, it would be quite simple to download a torrent of a ps3 game, then run it and never have to enter gamestop again.
but, i have not found any real torrents of a ps3 iso or backup. i have looked. so it seems to me that what needs to be hacked is not actualy the ps3 itself. rather, it seems more likely that the encryption on the blueray discs themselves, is what prevents ps3 games from being copied, saved to a hard drive. so when will the blue ray disc be cracked? who knows.
but as far as im concerned, it will all one day be hacked. regardless of how many millions they spent on security measures, there will always come a time when a lone geek in his room will figure it out and hack it. we will benefit from this geek by having comlete freedom of our ps3's being unlocked, and the geek will benefit when sony offers him a sweet job developing the security for the ps4. thats just how it all works. i guess you could call it all the circle of life.
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17. April 2009 @ 07:28 |
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Originally posted by fuel_f2f:
Sony Shoulda have toned it down in the PS3 release and stuck with DVD's. The Blu Ray sunk the PS3 from the start. DVD's took years upon years to get to where it is today.
Sony has tried to uproot the main media many times in the past and failed? Why take such a massive chance on doing it again, and sacrificing its PS3 at the same time?
They should have seen the obvious errors in their ways. But greed clouded their judgement. They knew they had a secure console this time. Making security one of the biggest design factors. With that you'd expect them to play it safer, and guarantee good results. They could have toned it down a lot and still had more to offer than the 360. They would also make it cheaper for other companies to make games.
Sony dug a huge hole this time, and they have to lay in it. Hopefully they have learned a lesson. But for some reason I'm not sure...
On a side note I'm still very confused as why the PS3 has an internal Power Supply... This makes no sense...
And the PS4... Most of the biggest supporters of Blu Ray thinks that it will be dead in a matter of years. Will Sony tumble again by sticking to their failed media? I hope not.
I'm also wondering if optical media will be present in a new console. With the success of coding security and the ability to detect mods/hacks and "brick" a console, forcing consoles to update from a newer game release, the need for people to have online abilities in their consoles, and the amazingly low prices of memory cards (SD, CF, etc.) I'm starting to visualize new consoles with their own type of media cards, ones that won't be released for any other purpose so there won't be "blank media". This with the securities they seem to be able to put into place if they take the time and spend the money, could completely deter piracy... or make it so hard to do, and so easy to detect that it can't catch on into mainstream that profits will be fixed.
Just my two cents...
I'll bite I guess:
1.) if the ps3 was hacked they'd have been sunk worse than the dreamcast.
2.) DVD is old technology that has reached its limit long ago and it limits game developers greatly because of it because they have to cram their games into a DL dvd, if you look at the size of ps3 exclusives where they aren't confined with the small size like multiplat games and 360 exclusives you'll see that most of them are easily double the size of a DL dvd or even filling an entire DL bluray.
3.) And yes they did see the errors in their ways, with the psp. Which is why they made the ps3 more secure.
4.) Internal power supply makes plenty of sense, its more form factor and gets more cooling than some power brick jammed into some stupid location or it having to be put in the open so it doesn't heat up.
5.) No Sony will not use bluray in its next console. Why? because Sony always uses the next up and coming technology for their console, ps1 was CD ps2 was DVD and now the ps3 has Bluray. Imagine if the ps2 had used CD's? it would have been a huge flop.
6.) And yes I agree the next gen consoles are likely going to use memory cards, if not downloadable games. And what your describing isn't as crazy as as you make it sound:
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17. April 2009 @ 12:12 |
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Originally posted by weedge:
One word people: LINUX
It is quite easy to install linux onto a ps3 and run that as its os. so then if the ps3 is running as any other computer with a hardrive and internet access. i must ask...
Why is there a need to hack the ps3 itself?
once it is runninng as a normal computer, it would be quite simple to download a torrent of a ps3 game, then run it and never have to enter gamestop again.
but, i have not found any real torrents of a ps3 iso or backup. i have looked. so it seems to me that what needs to be hacked is not actualy the ps3 itself. rather, it seems more likely that the encryption on the blueray discs themselves, is what prevents ps3 games from being copied, saved to a hard drive. so when will the blue ray disc be cracked? who knows.
but as far as im concerned, it will all one day be hacked. regardless of how many millions they spent on security measures, there will always come a time when a lone geek in his room will figure it out and hack it. we will benefit from this geek by having comlete freedom of our ps3's being unlocked, and the geek will benefit when sony offers him a sweet job developing the security for the ps4. thats just how it all works. i guess you could call it all the circle of life.
There are hundreds of PS3 ISO's around. Need to find the right sources. Just nobody is doing anything with them, because nothing can be done with them. Linux or not.
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17. April 2009 @ 17:07 |
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Sony have invested millions this time around to secure the ps3, Its almost looking impossible as there has been not even one single meaningful hack done yet. All we know is that whoever hacks it, sony's gonna give them big bucks to help secure the PS4.
Sony's got everything pretty much sorted when it comes to security.
Regular updates
Difficult to pirate media
Hypervisor preventing unauthorised cpu/gpu access
Linux for the people who actually only want homebrew
And a crap load of previous mistakes from the PS1,PS2 and PSP to learn from.
They completely prevented an easy way to swap discs by using a slot load disc drive instead (Learning from PS1 and PS2)
Locking down the firmware and patching up any exploits (PSP .tiff exploit anyone)
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18. April 2009 @ 17:46 |
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I didn't really mean that sony had to use DVD's and DVDDL... But why create their own brand new, ultra expensive type of drives? I think the main reason why the PS3 and 360 are losing out is because they are basically repackaging their old products, obviously with a crap load of addons that aren't needed in a console.
The only thing (gaming wise) thats a plus is better graphics and online content...
But online content was obvious to everyone and if you redesigned the PS2 for it you'd have a PS2 that does what a PS3 does without the high graphics... Your not really getting enough bang for your buck imo.
Nintendo saw what was needed was another revolution (no pun intended) for the gaming industry. Much more is needed to pull people in than better graphics. Nintendo also saw that most people DON'T have HDTV's, 720 or 1080. So they built the Wii with less bells and whistles technology wise and went with what gamers really need... Now, I am a little annoyed at the titles I miss out on by having a Wii, but I get so much more.
Nintendo also saw how widely used emulators were on the PS2 and Xbox consoles... so they threw that into the Wii via VC and people are now paying for games they bought a long time ago, and having a blast doing it. Funny part is, this costs Nintendo and 3rd Party companies next to nothing. The games are already there, theres proven demand for it, and theres almost no marketing needed, and no packaging.
Sony and MS went for an all out graphics war thinking that what people wanted in their gaming consoles was graphics first, then media centers/computers built in... They seem to have forgotten that games, playability and price are CRUCIAL factors...
They went too far, got way off track, and when it comes to games, they are offering us flashy versions of last gen games... in a nutshell... There are some things worth while about them both, but I think the cons outweigh the pro's...
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18. April 2009 @ 21:06 |
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True but we all want better graphics, so the PS3 and Xbox360 are now there and any developers who want to spend the money on it can make some pretty impressive games, but then that cost is past onto the consumer.
But then taking your arguement the other way, why bother with Wii Sports when you can play original Pong. The basic physics is the same but the tennis game is just an graphical update with more accurate physics and a 3rd dimension.
So although the PS3 and Xbox were designed for improved graphics, its those improved graphics which will help make better games. See you can see it as progress, not just money making.
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19. April 2009 @ 06:41 |
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Originally posted by fuel_f2f:
I didn't really mean that sony had to use DVD's and DVDDL... But why create their own brand new, ultra expensive type of drives? I think the main reason why the PS3 and 360 are losing out is because they are basically repackaging their old products, obviously with a crap load of addons that aren't needed in a console.
The only thing (gaming wise) thats a plus is better graphics and online content...
But online content was obvious to everyone and if you redesigned the PS2 for it you'd have a PS2 that does what a PS3 does without the high graphics... Your not really getting enough bang for your buck imo.
Nintendo saw what was needed was another revolution (no pun intended) for the gaming industry. Much more is needed to pull people in than better graphics. Nintendo also saw that most people DON'T have HDTV's, 720 or 1080. So they built the Wii with less bells and whistles technology wise and went with what gamers really need... Now, I am a little annoyed at the titles I miss out on by having a Wii, but I get so much more.
Nintendo also saw how widely used emulators were on the PS2 and Xbox consoles... so they threw that into the Wii via VC and people are now paying for games they bought a long time ago, and having a blast doing it. Funny part is, this costs Nintendo and 3rd Party companies next to nothing. The games are already there, theres proven demand for it, and theres almost no marketing needed, and no packaging.
Sony and MS went for an all out graphics war thinking that what people wanted in their gaming consoles was graphics first, then media centers/computers built in... They seem to have forgotten that games, playability and price are CRUCIAL factors...
They went too far, got way off track, and when it comes to games, they are offering us flashy versions of last gen games... in a nutshell... There are some things worth while about them both, but I think the cons outweigh the pro's...
Your missing a major factor here, Blu-Ray and HD+ and above is the future just as DVD.
DVD took its first big breakthrough into millions of homes with the ps2 and now 10 years on nearly look at what DVD has become.
DVD when it was new was damn expensive, how could you forget? PS2 games costed ?70 at launch and that was considered expensive but 140 million ps2 sales proved otherwise. Blank DVDs used to cost nearly ?1.50 per disc in 2004 back in the beginning.
No, Blu-Ray was the perfect choice of media for the PS3, think of games like MGS4 its 32GB and thats a game with very little CGI and uses only the game engine for cutscenes etc so as to conserve space. Thats about 4(!!!) dvds. Some games I agree are regurgitated crap from the PS2 with shiny new HD textures and nothing more but then again most games have proved to be excellent. Call of Duty 4 and 5, GTA 4, MGS 4 etc, hardly regurgitated.
I had a wii for two weeks but sold it because it was just so damn ugly and boring to look at (I'd had my PS3 for 3 months at that stage so became kinda used to good graphics and sound).
The wiimote idea was pretty good but I really really wish they'd had implemented it better, only wii sports got it right and its a first party demo game so yeah....
Hell if I had a choice I would get an Xbox 360(shudder) over a wii if I had a chance.
Besides whether you have a HD or not, the difference between a wii and a ps3 is phenomenal at 480p.
Besides the PS3 looks cooler under your TV :p
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19. April 2009 @ 12:38 |
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The real reason why the PS3 isnt hacked yet is because there is no isoloader. The reason there is no isoloader is because blu ray is still a new and upcoming technology. Once blu-rays get extremely popular on PC's we'll see blu ray loaders. Once a blu ray loader comes out on a PC it will come out on PS3, we just need to be patient.
(BTW When i say "extremely popular" i mean that they are being shipped standard with every new PC and laptop)
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19. April 2009 @ 14:41 |
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Originally posted by c00l592:
The real reason why the PS3 isnt hacked yet is because there is no isoloader. The reason there is no isoloader is because blu ray is still a new and upcoming technology. Once blu-rays get extremely popular on PC's we'll see blu ray loaders.
There is an ISO loader,just not for retail machines :)
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19. April 2009 @ 15:49 |
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Eh i dont get what your talking about because Sony have never IIRC given out something as piracy-friendly as that in a developers kit.
They only allow DEV consoles to play burned master copies burnt onto BD-R discs and not ISO loaders as that can be VERY easily leaked to hackers who can use it for piracy.
As to what co0l said,
What are you talking about? From what I understand your saying theres no way to make an image of a PS3 blu-ray onto a pc in .iso format.
Directly on a pc no but you can very very easily use PS3 SAK using other OS and put it on an external hard drive and just use that on a PC, thats definitley not a problem to be honest.
But I think you actually mean Blu Ray reader, From what I see in shops now they are becoming the norm on any laptop/computer above ?550 so they are becoming much more widestream now.
A blu ray writer can be had for as little as ?120 so thats easy enough.
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21. April 2009 @ 23:33 |
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Originally posted by sobhy2406:
I can't see why anyone would want to hack the ps3, the psp got hacked and now look at it. Nearly every game is garbage because nobody buys the games anymore because of CFWs. Seriously how many people backup PSP games....
Anyways im hoping it never happens, homebrew definitley, ps2 emulator/ps1 emulator definitley.
PS3 iso loader or some exploit to play ps3 games no way do i want that
I think the reason PSP flopped is because it was shit, not much else, the media used and the lack of titles in continuation. Let's face it, the PC is the most cracked and hacked platform and games are still coming out for it more than others. I do hear that some developers has voiced concerns about this and releasing it on consoles first, but PC is still a huge market.
Im not sure that a new media is needed for the would-be PS4, but Sony will probably bring one out anyway. The size of the disc doesn't need to be that much bigger. 50GB dual layer Blu ray disc is more than enough for games.
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23. April 2009 @ 19:18 |
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Originally posted by sobhy2406:
I can't see why anyone would want to hack the ps3, the psp got hacked and now look at it. Nearly every game is garbage because nobody buys the games anymore because of CFWs. Seriously how many people backup PSP games....
If the psp had a 2nd analog stick and used memory cards for games is would be a pretty decent handheld gaming platform, but it doesn't so its pretty much shit when it comes to gaming especially in shooters. Which has nothing to do with the games being pirated or not.
It's a fairly decent media device though, and there's quite a few useful homebrew programs out there for it. IMO if the psp WASN'T hacked it would have been a complete flop.
Originally posted by Freddy_C:
Im not sure that a new media is needed for the would-be PS4, but Sony will probably bring one out anyway. The size of the disc doesn't need to be that much bigger. 50GB dual layer Blu ray disc is more than enough for games.
They likely said the same thing of the DL dvd's at the same period in its generation. And mgs4 already struggled to fit the game onto a dl blueray, by the end of the ps3's lifetime I'm sure many games will start to run into the same issue.
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24. April 2009 @ 18:12 |
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what I would like see with ps3 is a way u can install games that you own on disc to your hard drive so that you could play games on that system without using your disc maybe PC install and could make a games with expansion packs not just little DLC like sims games
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Originally posted by kikzm33z:
Blu-Ray is also a problem, as it costs a lot if you wish to burn PS3 games onto a Blu-Ray disc.
We will see a hack but people will be too busy playing the next Playstation.
Man don't get me started on this.
I travel a around a lot so bought DVD's in other countries. Play fine on my multi-region dvd player, but play it on my so called really advanced PS3, and no chance. What options do I have?
1) Hack my PS3?
2) Use my DVD player?
3) Dump my PS3 for more user friendly X Box
Then there are stupid region locked expensive Blu Ray disks. I like owning originals, and will pay a premium to get unrated versions or Region 1/A versions (because they tend to be uncut). Will my stupid PS3 play any other region? Again my options are:
1) Hack my PS3
2) Get bootleg multi-region versions of bluray
3) Download torrents
Sony are in effect forcing honest people to do illegal things.
Now lets get to the games? I love RPG's, now where the hell are the RPG's (which for my money show off the consols graphics best) on this. X Box beats it hands down on this. What the hell are Sony playing at?
If a Blu-ray version of X-box comes out which can be easily modified, I will abandon PS3 like a shot.
I consider myself a loyal Sony customer, but no more.
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29. April 2009 @ 14:44 |
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Im I the only one who is content with the current state of my ps3?
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29. April 2009 @ 16:34 |
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Originally posted by Panchod:
Originally posted by kikzm33z:
Blu-Ray is also a problem, as it costs a lot if you wish to burn PS3 games onto a Blu-Ray disc.
We will see a hack but people will be too busy playing the next Playstation.
Man don't get me started on this.
I travel a around a lot so bought DVD's in other countries. Play fine on my multi-region dvd player, but play it on my so called really advanced PS3, and no chance. What options do I have?
1) Hack my PS3?
2) Use my DVD player?
3) Dump my PS3 for more user friendly X Box
Then there are stupid region locked expensive Blu Ray disks. I like owning originals, and will pay a premium to get unrated versions or Region 1/A versions (because they tend to be uncut). Will my stupid PS3 play any other region? Again my options are:
1) Hack my PS3
2) Get bootleg multi-region versions of bluray
3) Download torrents
Sony are in effect forcing honest people to do illegal things.
Now lets get to the games? I love RPG's, now where the hell are the RPG's (which for my money show off the consols graphics best) on this. X Box beats it hands down on this. What the hell are Sony playing at?
If a Blu-ray version of X-box comes out which can be easily modified, I will abandon PS3 like a shot.
I consider myself a loyal Sony customer, but no more.
I may be reading this wrong, but I have no idea why you're quoting my post for your statement.
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29. April 2009 @ 16:58 |
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Originally posted by Panchod:
Originally posted by kikzm33z:
Blu-Ray is also a problem, as it costs a lot if you wish to burn PS3 games onto a Blu-Ray disc.
We will see a hack but people will be too busy playing the next Playstation.
Man don't get me started on this.
I travel a around a lot so bought DVD's in other countries. Play fine on my multi-region dvd player, but play it on my so called really advanced PS3, and no chance. What options do I have?
1) Hack my PS3?
2) Use my DVD player?
3) Dump my PS3 for more user friendly X Box
Then there are stupid region locked expensive Blu Ray disks. I like owning originals, and will pay a premium to get unrated versions or Region 1/A versions (because they tend to be uncut). Will my stupid PS3 play any other region? Again my options are:
1) Hack my PS3
2) Get bootleg multi-region versions of bluray
3) Download torrents
Sony are in effect forcing honest people to do illegal things.
Now lets get to the games? I love RPG's, now where the hell are the RPG's (which for my money show off the consols graphics best) on this. X Box beats it hands down on this. What the hell are Sony playing at?
If a Blu-ray version of X-box comes out which can be easily modified, I will abandon PS3 like a shot.
I consider myself a loyal Sony customer, but no more.
Sony aren't forcing honest people to do illegal things. Sony are a HUGE multinational corporation with branches in the movie sector and it is common practice that anything capable playing DVDs are region locked especially with a company that also produces and distributes movies (Nothing to do with evil Sony and how they dont want you to play other region DVDs), besides why in god's name would anyone bother playing DVDs on a PS3? Surely if you wanted to you could rip it and put it on a PS3 hard drive so that is definitley a moot point.
I hope you're aware a very very large majority of Blu-rays are not region locked minus a very smal amount of titles which are growing smaller as time passes so that again, a moot point.
As for RPGs....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XIII
Need i say more? Winter 2009 well worth the wait imo...
The Xbox 360 will be on more than 1 disc mind you so yeah.....
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You're not a Sony Fanboy are you?
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Originally posted by Panchod:
You're not a Sony Fanboy are you?
Its not clear who you are saying this to,and even if someone on this thread was a Sony fanboy,they are entitled to be.
Though i would like to point out,that disagreeing with you,dosnt make one a fanboy of any type,it simply makes them opinionated.
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Originally posted by marcusita:
Originally posted by Panchod:
You're not a Sony Fanboy are you?
Its not clear who you are saying this to,and even if someone on this thread was a Sony fanboy,they are entitled to be.
Though i would like to point out,that disagreeing with you,dosnt make one a fanboy of any type,it simply makes them opinionated.
Let me explain something:
1) The point was not directed at you
2) It was a bit of a jovial/jokesy type comment
3) Lighten up man.
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Originally posted by Panchod:
Originally posted by marcusita:
Originally posted by Panchod:
You're not a Sony Fanboy are you?
Its not clear who you are saying this to,and even if someone on this thread was a Sony fanboy,they are entitled to be.
Though i would like to point out,that disagreeing with you,dosnt make one a fanboy of any type,it simply makes them opinionated.
Let me explain something:
1) The point was not directed at you
2) It was a bit of a jovial/jokesy type comment
3) Lighten up man.
When it comes to console flamewars every fire begins with a spark so we try to clamp down on it before it gets out of hand.
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