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9. November 2009 @ 11:54 |
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Originally posted by qwert99:
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yeah i hear that - soz but it got my goat up.......
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BryanNH_3
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9. November 2009 @ 11:55 |
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Originally posted by Toaster68:
hey BryanNH_3
lets not forget the multi billion $ industry that is M$ and the fact they have monopolised the PC OS market forever, overcharging the likes of me and you for something that no one else could provide. Hence people take umbridge against it and choose to take an alternative option.
my heart bleeds to mr Gill Bates who obviously is a bit hard up due to the modding fraternity, if he'd kept the market prices down in the 1st place then maybe this sector of modding would not of arisen?? it's the old chicken and egg scenario i feel
Ok, so, a guy creates a business, it is successful. The guy has NO competition, the competition that attempts to step up to the plate cannot nearly compete as well, and he is call a monopolizer? I call it good business strategy!! If you had a product that started out for a niche market and then the market exploded to become fully mainstream and you were able to ride the wave and stay at the top of the market simply because your product was the most widely used due to being there at the beginning, then would you call your business and product a monopoly? Of course not! Microsoft lets anyone use any compatible windows software available, they do not restrict you uninstalling and windows and using Linux, you can disable any of the included features ... how are they monopolizing?? When there's an actual product around that threatens M$, then yes, monopolizing ... until then, they are simply a successful business!
The point is, back to topic, sort of, M$ has lots of $$< we all know that, but it doesn't justify stealing from them and making it necessary or the xbox team to have a full security staff, which then increases the cost per game, per console, etc!
I'm not going to win in here, I'm not going to have any fans, I'm not expecting to .. just think its funny to see everyone wasting so much time on ripping games, checking them to make sure they are stealth patched, buying new xbox's when old ones get banned ... between the time and frustration, you're probably already spending the same amount as waiting 6 months after the game was released and buying it used!
What people are doing on here is no different than a bunch of theives with black masks on having a convention discussing why the alarm company was able to catch then in the act ... its very comical =)
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9. November 2009 @ 12:00 |
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Question from noob, me...
I purchased a modded 360 about a week ago for my son as he wanted one but he wants to play online with his friends, he has played backup (stealth) games that we own but has never been online with the console and has not used the hard drive yet.
Can I unflash the console so he can play online with no chance of it being banned being that it was never online yet ? or should I sell it and just buy a new one ?
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9. November 2009 @ 13:20 |
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BryanNH I definitely see what you're saying. Its been said a lot that its the risk that we run. Being banned is definitely disappointing but I don't see the point in being completely unreasonably angry over it. It is stealing games. I can't afford $60 per new game so I took the chance, modded my console, enjoyed getting on live with them for most of this year, and paid the price for it. Microsoft has done no wrong by preventing people from stealing money from them. When my house got robbed in September I put up alarms afterward to hopefully prevent it from happening again.
That said I do not think that games would be a lower price if it wasn't for all the piracy. Its just like anything else. They see how much the consumer is willing to pay and they keep it there. I personally think $60 bucks is a lot and would like to see games priced about the same as DVD's. But again, it is stealing nonetheless.
I believe someone (c4eva or whoever else) will figure out a way passed this and we will be able to continue again for a while. I'll just buy another console and mod again when they do. It amazes me how smart they are to figure all this out time and time again. I don't think all hope is lost and I don't plan on "going legit" at the moment. He nor abgx should be yelled at for providing their free services for so long to everyone until they got banned. I hope they continue.
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9. November 2009 @ 13:30 |
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Originally posted by BryanNH_3:
Originally posted by Toaster68:
hey BryanNH_3
lets not forget the multi billion $ industry that is M$ and the fact they have monopolised the PC OS market forever, overcharging the likes of me and you for something that no one else could provide. Hence people take umbridge against it and choose to take an alternative option.
my heart bleeds to mr Gill Bates who obviously is a bit hard up due to the modding fraternity, if he'd kept the market prices down in the 1st place then maybe this sector of modding would not of arisen?? it's the old chicken and egg scenario i feel
Ok, so, a guy creates a business, it is successful. The guy has NO competition, the competition that attempts to step up to the plate cannot nearly compete as well, and he is call a monopolizer? I call it good business strategy!! If you had a product that started out for a niche market and then the market exploded to become fully mainstream and you were able to ride the wave and stay at the top of the market simply because your product was the most widely used due to being there at the beginning, then would you call your business and product a monopoly? Of course not! Microsoft lets anyone use any compatible windows software available, they do not restrict you uninstalling and windows and using Linux, you can disable any of the included features ... how are they monopolizing?? When there's an actual product around that threatens M$, then yes, monopolizing ... until then, they are simply a successful business!
The point is, back to topic, sort of, M$ has lots of $$< we all know that, but it doesn't justify stealing from them and making it necessary or the xbox team to have a full security staff, which then increases the cost per game, per console, etc!
I'm not going to win in here, I'm not going to have any fans, I'm not expecting to .. just think its funny to see everyone wasting so much time on ripping games, checking them to make sure they are stealth patched, buying new xbox's when old ones get banned ... between the time and frustration, you're probably already spending the same amount as waiting 6 months after the game was released and buying it used!
What people are doing on here is no different than a bunch of theives with black masks on having a convention discussing why the alarm company was able to catch then in the act ... its very comical =)
If you dont like what we are doing then get lost nub, it's a persons choice if they want to do it or not, so dont try and say anything to stop em! for some its not about downloading games e.c.t its about sticking thier finger upto the world and saying F**K OFF greedy men in suits are always here trying to steal money from us so why cant once in a while we play em at thier own game huh? I have known people try to flash thier consoles e.c.t to proove to microsoft that THEY CAN!
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9. November 2009 @ 13:33 |
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Originally posted by mw2wow:
Question from noob, me...
I purchased a modded 360 about a week ago for my son as he wanted one but he wants to play online with his friends, he has played backup (stealth) games that we own but has never been online with the console and has not used the hard drive yet.
Can I unflash the console so he can play online with no chance of it being banned being that it was never online yet ? or should I sell it and just buy a new one ?
thanks
yes you can unflash the console I think if you have the original firmware if you intent to keep swapping between the original firmware and the modded firmware good luck it's a lengthy process and should be repeated more than a few times I think. But what I would do is buy a second hand console even a RROD (about £20-£60) fix it if it needs fixing then use that console as a 'spare' play on the original console with the modded firmware untill someday you might get banned then use the original to play offline backups and have the spare to play the genuine games online ;) thats just my solution tho
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9. November 2009 @ 13:49 |
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Originally posted by zytill:
Originally posted by mw2wow:
Question from noob, me...
I purchased a modded 360 about a week ago for my son as he wanted one but he wants to play online with his friends, he has played backup (stealth) games that we own but has never been online with the console and has not used the hard drive yet.
Can I unflash the console so he can play online with no chance of it being banned being that it was never online yet ? or should I sell it and just buy a new one ?
thanks
yes you can unflash the console I think if you have the original firmware if you intent to keep swapping between the original firmware and the modded firmware good luck it's a lengthy process and should be repeated more than a few times I think. But what I would do is buy a second hand console even a RROD (about £20-£60) fix it if it needs fixing then use that console as a 'spare' play on the original console with the modded firmware untill someday you might get banned then use the original to play offline backups and have the spare to play the genuine games online ;) thats just my solution tho
Well, we have be on xbox live for years with a unmodded consol and the modded one is in addition to our other 360. The problem is I have 3 kids and they all want to play together online along with there friends but my kid wanted a modded consol, now that it could get banned even playing original non copied games, he wants it unmodded or unflashed...I just need to know if I have it unflashed can it still be detected as been modded ? Like I said before, he has not used the consol on xbox live or even had it hooked up to the internet and never installed the 60 gigi hard drive if any of that matters.
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9. November 2009 @ 13:54 |
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Originally posted by mw2wow:
Originally posted by zytill:
Originally posted by mw2wow:
Question from noob, me...
I purchased a modded 360 about a week ago for my son as he wanted one but he wants to play online with his friends, he has played backup (stealth) games that we own but has never been online with the console and has not used the hard drive yet.
Can I unflash the console so he can play online with no chance of it being banned being that it was never online yet ? or should I sell it and just buy a new one ?
thanks
yes you can unflash the console I think if you have the original firmware if you intent to keep swapping between the original firmware and the modded firmware good luck it's a lengthy process and should be repeated more than a few times I think. But what I would do is buy a second hand console even a RROD (about £20-£60) fix it if it needs fixing then use that console as a 'spare' play on the original console with the modded firmware untill someday you might get banned then use the original to play offline backups and have the spare to play the genuine games online ;) thats just my solution tho
Well, we have be on xbox live for years with a unmodded consol and the modded one is in addition to our other 360. The problem is I have 3 kids and they all want to play together online along with there friends but my kid wanted a modded consol, now that it could get banned even playing original non copied games, he wants it unmodded or unflashed...I just need to know if I have it unflashed can it still be detected as been modded ? Like I said before, he has not used the consol on xbox live or even had it hooked up to the internet and never installed the 60 gigi hard drive if any of that matters.
thanks
If he has not been online and you restore the original firmware then the chances of you not getting banned are around 95% because still noone is still directly sure what microsofts method of finding out if you got a flashed 360 is yet but 95% of peeps seem to think they can read the firmware. But most likely he wont get banned.
I hope this info helps ;)
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9. November 2009 @ 13:55 |
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Originally posted by funksoulb:
Originally posted by ch3st3r:
Obviously nobody knows for sure, but it would seem just being "safe" is not safe enough any more. I don't think everyone on here is lying about whether they played games early or unverified. What would be the point in that?
Some people don't want to own up to doing silly things. People are constantly told to avoid playing games early or if they're not verified, but many do it anyway. Also, it's entirely possible that MS employees post false info in order to ruin anyone's chance of spotting a pattern - not that I'm accusing anyone here of working for MS, lol, but I'm sure that kind of thing occurs.
I read a post elsewhere from a guy that claimed to have bought a 360 about 3 weeks ago and he flashed it, but he hadn't played a single game on it and he's still been banned. Not a single game - no originals either. Why would you buy a 360, flash it, then not play any games for 3 weeks? It's quite obvious that a tiny minority aren't being 100% honest.
I agree with what this person is saying and I bet there is either a company that M$ hired or task force that M$ has their own that post what they did or did not do on these forums and still got ban. I wouldn't be surprise that they might do this to throw us off and make us think the cause of the ban is something else. This way we keep running in circles
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9. November 2009 @ 14:00 |
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Originally posted by zytill:
Originally posted by mw2wow:
Originally posted by zytill:
Originally posted by mw2wow:
Question from noob, me...
I purchased a modded 360 about a week ago for my son as he wanted one but he wants to play online with his friends, he has played backup (stealth) games that we own but has never been online with the console and has not used the hard drive yet.
Can I unflash the console so he can play online with no chance of it being banned being that it was never online yet ? or should I sell it and just buy a new one ?
thanks
yes you can unflash the console I think if you have the original firmware if you intent to keep swapping between the original firmware and the modded firmware good luck it's a lengthy process and should be repeated more than a few times I think. But what I would do is buy a second hand console even a RROD (about £20-£60) fix it if it needs fixing then use that console as a 'spare' play on the original console with the modded firmware untill someday you might get banned then use the original to play offline backups and have the spare to play the genuine games online ;) thats just my solution tho
Well, we have be on xbox live for years with a unmodded consol and the modded one is in addition to our other 360. The problem is I have 3 kids and they all want to play together online along with there friends but my kid wanted a modded consol, now that it could get banned even playing original non copied games, he wants it unmodded or unflashed...I just need to know if I have it unflashed can it still be detected as been modded ? Like I said before, he has not used the consol on xbox live or even had it hooked up to the internet and never installed the 60 gigi hard drive if any of that matters.
thanks
If he has not been online and you restore the original firmware then the chances of you not getting banned are around 95% because still noone is still directly sure what microsofts method of finding out if you got a flashed 360 is yet but 95% of peeps seem to think they can read the firmware. But most likely he wont get banned.
I hope this info helps ;)
yea, that helps but please dont take this wrong, im hoping for some senior members input on the subject also
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9. November 2009 @ 14:06 |
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Originally posted by BryanNH_3:
Originally posted by Toaster68:
hey BryanNH_3
lets not forget the multi billion $ industry that is M$ and the fact they have monopolised the PC OS market forever, overcharging the likes of me and you for something that no one else could provide. Hence people take umbridge against it and choose to take an alternative option.
my heart bleeds to mr Gill Bates who obviously is a bit hard up due to the modding fraternity, if he'd kept the market prices down in the 1st place then maybe this sector of modding would not of arisen?? it's the old chicken and egg scenario i feel
Ok, so, a guy creates a business, it is successful. The guy has NO competition, the competition that attempts to step up to the plate cannot nearly compete as well, and he is call a monopolizer? I call it good business strategy!! If you had a product that started out for a niche market and then the market exploded to become fully mainstream and you were able to ride the wave and stay at the top of the market simply because your product was the most widely used due to being there at the beginning, then would you call your business and product a monopoly? Of course not! Microsoft lets anyone use any compatible windows software available, they do not restrict you uninstalling and windows and using Linux, you can disable any of the included features ... how are they monopolizing?? When there's an actual product around that threatens M$, then yes, monopolizing ... until then, they are simply a successful business!
The point is, back to topic, sort of, M$ has lots of $$< we all know that, but it doesn't justify stealing from them and making it necessary or the xbox team to have a full security staff, which then increases the cost per game, per console, etc!
I'm not going to win in here, I'm not going to have any fans, I'm not expecting to .. just think its funny to see everyone wasting so much time on ripping games, checking them to make sure they are stealth patched, buying new xbox's when old ones get banned ... between the time and frustration, you're probably already spending the same amount as waiting 6 months after the game was released and buying it used!
What people are doing on here is no different than a bunch of theives with black masks on having a convention discussing why the alarm company was able to catch then in the act ... its very comical =)
You need to get off this forum and let's stop commenting to this type of stuff. The title of this thread is:
MS Ban Hammer - 10.30.09 - **NO gibberish or Text Speak**
so let's keep is strictly to that. If you have gibberish opinions of what modders are doing, open a different thread somewhere else.
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9. November 2009 @ 14:08 |
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Originally posted by mw2wow:
Originally posted by zytill:
Originally posted by mw2wow:
Originally posted by zytill:
Originally posted by mw2wow:
Question from noob, me...
I purchased a modded 360 about a week ago for my son as he wanted one but he wants to play online with his friends, he has played backup (stealth) games that we own but has never been online with the console and has not used the hard drive yet.
Can I unflash the console so he can play online with no chance of it being banned being that it was never online yet ? or should I sell it and just buy a new one ?
thanks
yes you can unflash the console I think if you have the original firmware if you intent to keep swapping between the original firmware and the modded firmware good luck it's a lengthy process and should be repeated more than a few times I think. But what I would do is buy a second hand console even a RROD (about £20-£60) fix it if it needs fixing then use that console as a 'spare' play on the original console with the modded firmware untill someday you might get banned then use the original to play offline backups and have the spare to play the genuine games online ;) thats just my solution tho
Well, we have be on xbox live for years with a unmodded consol and the modded one is in addition to our other 360. The problem is I have 3 kids and they all want to play together online along with there friends but my kid wanted a modded consol, now that it could get banned even playing original non copied games, he wants it unmodded or unflashed...I just need to know if I have it unflashed can it still be detected as been modded ? Like I said before, he has not used the consol on xbox live or even had it hooked up to the internet and never installed the 60 gigi hard drive if any of that matters.
thanks
If he has not been online and you restore the original firmware then the chances of you not getting banned are around 95% because still noone is still directly sure what microsofts method of finding out if you got a flashed 360 is yet but 95% of peeps seem to think they can read the firmware. But most likely he wont get banned.
I hope this info helps ;)
yea, that helps but please dont take this wrong, im hoping for some senior members input on the subject also
Depending on where the "Red Flags" are stored the damage is probably already done, even restoring the original firmware can't guarantee he will be spared from the ban hammer.
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9. November 2009 @ 14:11 |
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okay strange thing about these bannings i have just flashed a friends console that he bought from a used console store a few months ago and to our surprise it was already running firmware iextreme 1.4 the thing is he has been on live all the time with originals and he isnt banned. So i would say it definatly isnt anything to do with the firmware bening seen it must be playing games early and using bad rips.
Thats my 2 pennys anyway
I was banned but i knew the risks and my games i thought were always verified but i fooked up on the realease date of borderlands and used it in my console early DoH!
Ive been back through all my rips and found 2 that autofixed so CoD waw and fight nite round 4 so maybe it was those 2
And to be honest im not that bothered about live as i use my pc for all my online gameplay
Im just ,iffed that i cant play MW2 online but hey ho wait till the release the pc version then i will be a happy bunny as a 64 player map server is more fun and i dont get charged for map update downloads
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9. November 2009 @ 14:21 |
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Originally posted by Kelewan:
Originally posted by mw2wow:
Originally posted by zytill:
Originally posted by mw2wow:
Originally posted by zytill:
Originally posted by mw2wow:
Question from noob, me...
I purchased a modded 360 about a week ago for my son as he wanted one but he wants to play online with his friends, he has played backup (stealth) games that we own but has never been online with the console and has not used the hard drive yet.
Can I unflash the console so he can play online with no chance of it being banned being that it was never online yet ? or should I sell it and just buy a new one ?
thanks
yes you can unflash the console I think if you have the original firmware if you intent to keep swapping between the original firmware and the modded firmware good luck it's a lengthy process and should be repeated more than a few times I think. But what I would do is buy a second hand console even a RROD (about £20-£60) fix it if it needs fixing then use that console as a 'spare' play on the original console with the modded firmware untill someday you might get banned then use the original to play offline backups and have the spare to play the genuine games online ;) thats just my solution tho
Well, we have be on xbox live for years with a unmodded consol and the modded one is in addition to our other 360. The problem is I have 3 kids and they all want to play together online along with there friends but my kid wanted a modded consol, now that it could get banned even playing original non copied games, he wants it unmodded or unflashed...I just need to know if I have it unflashed can it still be detected as been modded ? Like I said before, he has not used the consol on xbox live or even had it hooked up to the internet and never installed the 60 gigi hard drive if any of that matters.
thanks
If he has not been online and you restore the original firmware then the chances of you not getting banned are around 95% because still noone is still directly sure what microsofts method of finding out if you got a flashed 360 is yet but 95% of peeps seem to think they can read the firmware. But most likely he wont get banned.
I hope this info helps ;)
yea, that helps but please dont take this wrong, im hoping for some senior members input on the subject also
Depending on where the "Red Flags" are stored the damage is probably already done, even restoring the original firmware can't guarantee he will be spared from the ban hammer.
yes but you might not have clocked up enough flags and since I assume he hasnt been on live that isnt possible and DW I am hoping to become a more trusted member lol ;)
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9. November 2009 @ 14:34 |
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i just been banned lol,talking to a mate on live cuz he was playin mw2 n i asked him if it was original.yes it was.so i popped in the wave 4 disk then the mw2 disk and it signed me out of live blah blah,o well still keep the console and get a new one for originals,that way i can try before i buy
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9. November 2009 @ 14:49 |
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Originally posted by nmc121286:
i just been banned lol,talking to a mate on live cuz he was playin mw2 n i asked him if it was original.yes it was.so i popped in the wave 4 disk then the mw2 disk and it signed me out of live blah blah,o well still keep the console and get a new one for originals,that way i can try before i buy
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9. November 2009 @ 15:01 |
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So.... Ive been doing some online serching on this whole banning thing since a guy I know got banned last night.
Here's my deal (note: i know no one forced me to mod my console)
My friend convinced me to mod my xbox telling me that if i do everything correctly I won't get banned from live. I dont care about playing online I use Silver to download rock band songs every now and again.
Anyhow... my xbox is not connected to the internet most of the time, but that will change soon, as I am moving. Hence my issue.
I don't know the firmware (friends at work). All I know is since it's been modded I've been online (my console) maybe twice both times to download stuff. I have only played 3 backed up games never online.
What are my chances of getting banned and whats my best recourse of staying unbanned because I really want to be able to get DLC.
I didn't really want modded in the first place, hell i rarley play my burned games, I let my friend talk me into it, so if anyone could help me out with some advice, i'd really appreciate it.
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9. November 2009 @ 15:11 |
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well my buddy just called me, he got banned...he just got his xbox flashed about a month ago.
1.6 flash, only copied games he has are, borderlands and halo odst.
He and i played borderlands together for a total of probly 10-12 hours.
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9. November 2009 @ 16:05 |
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Originally posted by bah1234:
So.... Ive been doing some online serching on this whole banning thing since a guy I know got banned last night.
Here's my deal (note: i know no one forced me to mod my console)
My friend convinced me to mod my xbox telling me that if i do everything correctly I won't get banned from live. I dont care about playing online I use Silver to download rock band songs every now and again.
Anyhow... my xbox is not connected to the internet most of the time, but that will change soon, as I am moving. Hence my issue.
I don't know the firmware (friends at work). All I know is since it's been modded I've been online (my console) maybe twice both times to download stuff. I have only played 3 backed up games never online.
What are my chances of getting banned and whats my best recourse of staying unbanned because I really want to be able to get DLC.
I didn't really want modded in the first place, hell i rarley play my burned games, I let my friend talk me into it, so if anyone could help me out with some advice, i'd really appreciate it.
Stick it on ebay and buy a new console and stay off live.
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9. November 2009 @ 17:17 |
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Checked just now, still not banned.
I have a couple theories of my own on the selection process for bans, one of which is something nobody has mentioned and I'm surprised...
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9. November 2009 @ 17:19 |
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is any one gonna play codmw2 on live afther 12am if so report back.
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systemic
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9. November 2009 @ 17:22 |
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Originally posted by shine305:
is any one gonna play codmw2 on live afther 12am if so report back.
This classifies as gibberish. Mods, take him away!
Nah I'll be in bed sleeping, I'm a first shifter. Hopefully my wife can run out and get a copy for me tomorrow sometime (if she can find one).
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9. November 2009 @ 17:22 |
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Want to play MW2 but I still have yet to be banned and I'm assuming this ban wave has been focused around the MW2 release. As muffed as it sounds, I'm most likely going to wait until I get home from class tomorrow and see how bad (or better) the bans have gotten over the evening/morning.
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9. November 2009 @ 17:38 |
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Originally posted by systemic:
Originally posted by shine305:
is any one gonna play codmw2 on live afther 12am if so report back.
This classifies as gibberish. Mods, take him away!
Nah I'll be in bed sleeping, I'm a first shifter. Hopefully my wife can run out and get a copy for me tomorrow sometime (if she can find one).
Wow got to get myself a wife.
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I have been banned saturday night and one of my friends also. We have played the exact games but the difference is with his roommate. His roommate has the same xbox modded at same place and played the exact same games but the only difference is that he doesnt install the games on the HD. Checked with 2 other of my friends that are not banned and they also do not install games on the HD. Could it be something that detects the game when it is installed on the HD? This is the only variable that I have found. Any people banned without installing games on the HD?
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