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what is the best media for dvd movies?
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brobear
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2. August 2004 @ 05:18 |
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what works for me is ridata or ridisc ( ritek go4 )
xllent grade a discs
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brobear
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2. August 2004 @ 15:36 |
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To get the MCC coded Verbatims look for the DataLifePlus line. They're either MCC or TY - good stuff whichever you get :)
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2. August 2004 @ 16:17 |
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Hey there brobear,
Actually I have that site, I just don't read German at all
I still was under the impression that although Mitsubishi makes the metal, "Advanced Metal AZO" was the sole proprietary property of Verbatim.
Meanwhile I'll try to get through the German site -
Still, as I read your post, I can't agree that all DVD discs are fine for our needs - That's what it looks like your're saying. Memorex are the equal of Verbatim and Ritek G04.
When my week winds down and my rehab gives me some extra time I'll look at everything you've sent me -
Pete
BTW, there's no reason to get an "attitude" about it -
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2. August 2004 @ 19:37 |
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You need to have a usefull point if you want a huge post:)
I'm not sure what yours was.
Simply, Vebatims, and Riteks when in branded form have a superb record.
Branded Memorex cannot make that claim.
You can use any DVD you want but don't cry if you venture away from the media with better recomendations and you have difficulties.
Don't be mean to Pete. He's just trying to point people the right way.
I use a lot of prodisc. They use metal azo, make their own discs and burn perfectly stack after stack.
But if I do have a bad stack at some point. I blame me.
Donald
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brobear
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2. August 2004 @ 19:47 |
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No attitude Pete. I just did a lot of boring research a while back when this media question was brought up before. So, when I say I have some data, I usually do. I didn't think anyone would want a post that long. However, since many were reluctant over the language barrier, I thought I might as well show some of the cross referenced data. Whether Verbatim has the control of AZO dye or not I can't say. But, Mitsubishi (MCC) and Taiyo Yuden (Yuden) are both using it for manufacture. There may be others. As for the Datalife Plus; they are predominately manufactured by MCC and Yuden. However some are made by Ricoh; which is supposed to be another good company. The -R format Verbatim is where the CMC appears to be prevalent.
I wasn't getting an attitude. However, I hate being told I'm wrong when I know the facts to be contrary.
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In other words, it's a crap shoot when you go to buy a disc. It's really hard to name a brand as good when most brands switch manufacturers.
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Too bad I cannot respond as my knowledge of Spanish does not help me understand a German web site.
As far as your above statement ?
If you're including those discs and manufacturers I have recommended, I would have to disagree as these discs are made by the same manufacturers, all the time.
cheers,
Pete
It was just the cavalier attitude of dismissal without checking the facts that shouldn't happen on the forum. The branded Verbatim has at least 4 manufacturers and one of those for the same company that Memorex is put down for using, CMC.
Memorex in some cases was selling Ricoh discs which were as good as the Verbatim, Ritek, and Ricoh (being as how these could be the same as well). When Memorex shifted to CMC, the quality deteriorated, or is said to. I can note a physical inferiority of the CMC and time will tell on the few I recorded. I do not intend to make a habit of buying CMC. So, no I am not saying Memorex is as good. Let me justify that, not overall as good as Verbatim; because Verbatim is selling some CMC products as well.
Now with that search engine it is easy to cross reference a lot of the brands and manufacturers. I also pointed out that one doesn't need to speak German if they use just the 3 words I translated.
@Pete
No way am I saying to run out and purchase Memorex over the others. With the Memorex you run a higher risk of getting the CMC than with other brands. One is safer with the Ricoh or Verbatim Datalife Plus in the +R format and the Ritek G04 in the -R format. There are other brands one can cross reference for a better chance at getting a quality disk. Appears odds are good for getting a Ricoh with +R Imation. I didn't go into all the brands. People can cross reference their own brands to see what they're getting.
My intent was to show that a lot of companies shop around. Even the ones you wouldn't think would do it. And in reality it is a crap shoot in many cases, unless one does the research and deals with a known manufacturer or seller of a particular manufactured disc. Often when I make a flippant statement on a charged subject it is to lighten the atmosphere. Seems like saying crap shoot only fueled the debate.
Have a good evening and no attitude on my part.
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2. August 2004 @ 19:50 |
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I believe the last post may have answered your question. I believe it pulled the whole thing together. One can't even depend on some brands we thought wouldn't let us down. One should do the research.
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Do your homework and buy the disc you are happy with. My suggestion is that one should go with a disc that has a good track record. Among those are some of Pete's favorites, like the Ritek G04 and the branded Verbatim. However with the Verbatim, note that CMC is making some of the Verbatim branded -R format discs. Mitsubishi, Ricoh, Ritek and Taiyo Yuden are reputed to be good manufacturers. There are others. In the end, it comes back to personal choice. I'd just hope it to be an informed one. And if anyone has a favorite disc I didn't mention, note I said there are other good discs and brands.
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2. August 2004 @ 20:16 |
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I have an LG-4040B burner and since I burn so many DVD's I look for the most consistant cheap media. Right now the best for the lowest price that I've found is Khybermedia -R. Since I use DVDXCopy I'm not sure if this helps, but hope so. Only 2 out of 25 discs don't work. At only 14 bucks a pack, that's pretty good in my book.
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2. August 2004 @ 20:20 |
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If you want inexpensive the prodisc are about .35 each and 0 out of 25 are bad burns.
Donald
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2. August 2004 @ 20:26 |
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I think I can speak for almost everyone when I say it is most prudent to go with a disc of known quality. If you are pleased with your choice, who are we to say you're wrong. Your money. However who knows how long the unknown brand will function properly and not fade. With the -R format, wouldn't it be wiser to go with a known disc, like the Ritek G04, which just happens to be less expensive than your bargain discs (which many of us have never heard of)?
As Pete says, cheap isn't the price, but the quality of the materials. Hope I got the paraphrase correct. It was meant to be complimentary Pete.
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3. August 2004 @ 17:18 |
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brobear,
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As Pete says, cheap isn't the price, but the quality of the materials.
That's what I've said but as to this post - ->
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I look for the most consistant cheap media
I believe you read justjager's post entirely incorrently. No where in his post did he ever mention he wanted anything other than the "most consistant cheap media" though his English grammer stinks, I think he meant the most consistantly cheap media -
Assuming that he was speaking in US dollars and not U.K., Grand Cayman, Canadain, Austrailian or another countries currancy - He was paying $.56 each(USD) for his media.
justjiager,
One answer which I can provide, but most surly that will be corrected by brobear, would be Great AZO starting at $.28ea(USD). As I'm sure brobear will agree, it is truly a great buy as it uses the AZO dye which was never used by Verbatim exclusively, but probably by at least 3 other manufactureres as in the "Advanced Metal AZO." According to brobear, "Advanced Metal AZO" can be purchased from several manufactures also.
Remembering that all media is made by many companies so s/b pretty reliable. The AZO dye 'stamp" signifies that a certain dye and appliacation is being used or maybe isn't, not too sure yet :) But you should have excellent quality by using it.
I hope I have that right brobear, I will try to get to that site this weekend but till I do, I'll try to quote you to any questions about media - OK ?
cheers,
"P"
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Pete,
Metal Azo, advanced is Verbatim sales term. MCC is just listed as using metal azo and you knew before I did probably that it is one of the preferred dyes. As long as the manufacturing process is good. You know as well as anyone that poor production procedures will ruin anything. The factual data is just that, data. The interpretation part was mine.
And I did catch the part about consistently cheap. In a nice way I said your choice to do it, but most people wouldn't. I guess you missed where I pointed out the quality GO4 was cheaper than his consistently cheap brand. That is where I paraphrased your saying, which is quite right for the situation. If you notice, we agree on this matter almost completely. The only problem I believe there was, is that you may have been unaware of Verbatim slipping in some cheap discs under their brand name. I'm referring to the -R CMC products.
I don't mind your standing up for a brand. However to cavalierly dismiss me as wrong without consulting me is where our disagreement occurred. You were right with the GO4 Riteks, but a person ending up with branded Verbatim by CMC might not be so happy. Not all the branded Verbatim have the AZO dye either. The branded DataLifePlus +R Verbatim seems to assure the best odds of getting the MCC or TY AZO discs. I know from personal experience that Ricoh made some of the DataLife discs.
I don't claim to be an expert on DVD media, nor would I want to be. Too hot in this kitchen for me. So Pete, hurry up and check out that data and you can have the hot seat. I officially bequeath it to you. :0)
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the media is second nature to the burner
you shouldn't mess with someone who reads...they actually think
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brobear
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Cryptic, needs elaboration.
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Hey Pete,
All this media business got me curious. All those guys yelling I have a Sony and it only works good with Sony media. Well, guess what. Sony makes -R Sony discs along with (MCC) Mitsubishi; and guess which uses the preferred metal azo dye, MCC. Sony makes -RW and Ricoh makes +RW. Honors go to MCC and Ricoh for the +R format. Wonder if Sony wants everyone to know a lot of their media doesn't appear to be made by Sony? Nothing wrong with MCC and Ricoh, in fact they have a good track record. However you have people saying I prefer my disc over yours even though they may have been made by the same manufacturer.
I wonder if there may not be a placebo effect in here somewhere.
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It seems to me that most of you fail to understand that when you massproduce media it is impossible to achive always the same quality. Companies use grades to differentiate between qualities whithin the same product.
For example a company like Ritek will sell its 4x media as:
1- Best quality (grade A) under their top brands RIDATA, TRAXDATA and some OEM brands
2- Misprinted A grade and B, C grade media under the ARITA brand
3- D and lesser grade is printed with a picture of Mountains and Streams.
All this media will be Ritek G04 but you can not expect the same results when you use a TRAXDATA disc or a Mountain and Streams disc.
Things get tickier when there are companies like e-Net (Data****, Bulkpaq, Ridisc) that will buy B, C, D and lesser grade discs and overprint them to sell them as A grade.
Same can be applied to every other manufacturer. So a CMC Verbatim or TDK disc is not the same quality as a CMC Memorex disc even though all of them have the same media code.
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3. August 2004 @ 19:13 |
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I have used TDK, SONY, and mostly Memorex brand DVD+R media to back up dvds. I have not had a problem with any of these brands. I am using an HP DVD420i burner.
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Londor
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Brobear I do not want to sound rude but you clearly have no
idea what you are talking about.
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The few Memorex CMC I was unlucky enough to get
exhibit minor chipping on the edges where the bonding takes
place
I think that proves what I was saying about CMC discs. Even
knowing that CMC is one of the worst manufacturers do you
think that all of the CMC dics are like that?
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As for the RiData RiDisc
RIDATA is a Ritek brand while RIDISC is an e-Net brand. Very
different things.
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The G04 is a quality designation
G04 is the name of the dye which is rather good but
sometimes there are problems applying it and here is when
you get the differents grades.
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say some of its G04 premium grade disks are inferior
All of the premium or A grade discs are the same quality but
not all G04 discs are A grade. When you buy RIDATA or
TRAXDATA you are guaranteed to get A grade discs.
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Funny I have never heard about graded G04s
That is because you are not very well informed. I would
recommend you to contact Ritek for information.
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Glad you are having such success. The discussion has boiled down to media manufacturers more so than just the brand. There are 2 free tools on the internet for checking the manufacturer of discs. There are more I'm sure, but I'm familiar with DVDInfoPro and DVDIdentifier. The first is a more complete test tool and the second is only for media identification. I have both. Use one of these to check the discs you've used and find the manufacturers and the revision numbers for the discs. It would be of interest to see whose discs you are using.
Sony +R is normally Mitsubishi or Ricoh (may be others). Both have a good track record.
TDK +R is normally Ricoh (may be others).
Memorex is now using CMC for a lot of their +R media. However, in the past a lot of the discs were by Ricoh. I noted the production and distribution shift with memorex earlier in the thread. I'll just say I was lucky and got a bulk pack of Ricoh Memorex not too long ago and then I got a small bundle of CMC just recently. So you could have easily been using Ricoh across the board or possibly Mitsubishi, another top manufacturer. So it will be interesting if you get back with the manufacture info.
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3. August 2004 @ 21:45 |
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Just checked some of my dvd's,
Most Memorex came back as RICOHJPN, or RITEK, only one is CMC Magnetics.
The SONY dvds were RICOH, and the TDK was RITEK.
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3. August 2004 @ 23:09 |
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I just received some Prodisc from supermediastore.com. The 8X -R has a media code of MCC 02RG20 and the 4X has a media code of MCC 01RG20. Usually the 4X is Prodisc S03. I also have a few Verbatim -R 4X and their media code is MCC 01RG20. I guess I'm just lucky getting Verbatim at Prodisc prices. I hope this is going to be the norm, but probably not.
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If you didn't intend to be rude, then why were you so rude?
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dvdHPburn,forkndave
I think the 2 of you catch on to what I was saying. Instead of buying the high priced brands, why not purchase the Ricoh and Ritek as Ricoh and Ritek. North American Ritek being RiData.
As long as you're getting those good discs from Prodisc, I'd hang with them.
As you noticed even Memorex had some good manufacturers, but they switched. And even Landor states they are poor items (the CMC media). As the Ricoh stock is depleted the odds of getting CMC increases. They're coming through the major retail outlets now. See Pete, I'm not saying to buy Memorex. Try to be sure of what you're buying and go with a proven media is what I'm saying and you can quote me on that.
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