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DVD Rebuilder with CCE Basic Vs. DVD Shrink
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10. June 2004 @ 12:07 |
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DVD Copy2 Platinum is expensive! $75.00 +/- If I could be sure that it was better than DVD Shrink, I would probably get it.
I have not read much about it, but I have to make an assumption that you would still rip the movie with DVD Decrypter. Is that correct?
Yeah, yeah, I know. I should do a forum search, but have a little pity on this semi-old goat. lol
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10. June 2004 @ 13:11 |
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well...it ain't good news... no file with a long string of numbers and .ecl ending.
there was only
1)rebuilder.ecl and rebuilder setup info
2)item.ecl
3)20 1kb avisynth scripts
4)20 .flg files ranging from 1-22kb
5) 2 d2v files
rebuilder says " -creating M2V for VTS_01 Segment 00" and does nothing
Am i the only one this is happening to??
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10. June 2004 @ 13:17 |
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as i don't know how to edit a message i am appending this piece of info: when i exit dvd rebuilder (in frustration) CCE SP seems to crash, i can look at the cce start screen but when i click on it i get that lovely windows sound - *beep*
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10. June 2004 @ 13:21 |
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task manager says it is "running" and is not " not responding". when i finally manage to get it closed a runtime error 55 notice pops up.??????
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10. June 2004 @ 13:39 |
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Sorry, I forot what the ECL file was called. Item.ecl is correct. If item.ecl is still there when you close both programs, try opening it directly with CCE. If it disappears afterwards (and I think it does) you should be able to copy it while CCE is sitting there doing nothing. Then kill CCE and DVD-RB, open CCE with EclCCE, and try loading that file directly. If that does the same thing, post the text from item.ecl here and I'll take a look at it.
Also, have you made sure you have the most current version of DVD-RB?
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swmiller
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10. June 2004 @ 13:52 |
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I had this problem when I first started testing DVD_Rebuilder. Make sure you have the newest CCE SP 2.67.23 Trial version.
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swmiller
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10. June 2004 @ 14:00 |
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10. June 2004 @ 15:27 |
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1st of all, don't you love when you are gonna post another long-winded message and your WinXp decides to shut itself down :-)
2nd of all, it encodes!!
i downloaded another version of CCE SP (2.66 i think) and it now encodes. Hurrah
3rd of all, why is the compression on this thing so much better than the rest is it the encoding *algorithm??* (note to spoofing)
4th and finally thanks Vurbal, the help was much appreciated.
fingers crossed that it will work and the quality will be good coz i bought 50 ricoh's from dvd-and-media.com and i hope they'll work.
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siber
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10. June 2004 @ 16:14 |
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vurbal: One more accolade. I used your guide exactly as you had it before the last revision. I had gotten a CCE Basic license and Rebuilder 48 or 49 at the time. I run Windows XPPro. It worked flawlessly the first time and has worked flawlessly ever since. (I have updated Rebuilder a couple of times without problems). The quality of the end-product is simply amazing. I am extremely grateful and I continue to admire your extreme patience assisting people with various trial versions...I would like to tell all of them: don't bother with all that 'trial'stuff, $57 for the CCE Basic license is money very well spent.
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10. June 2004 @ 17:03 |
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Thanks guys. I'm glad it's working out for you. If you're compressing movies that require a lot of compression you should check out the advanced section of the guide when I update it next. I'm going to cover simple filtering to improve the quality when using very high compression.
It's also nice to find so many people who are as excited as I am about Rebuilder. It's the first software I've ever felt compelled to make a donation for, and just think how good it will be by the time it gets out of beta.
neilm247,
The difference between using CCE and one of the one clicks is because it doesn't have to figure out where to remove bits. It isn't actually removing anything because it's encoding from scratch. As a result, it has an easier time spreading the changes across more of the frame. And using (IMO) the best software encoding engine in the world doesn't hurt any.
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10. June 2004 @ 19:10 |
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Sophocles
I have been using different programs from the begining. My tests show none of the quality problems that some of you have had with shrink. I already own pinnacle instant copy as well as Xcopy platinum and oneclick dvdcopy. I have also tested many other demos.
What additional testing did you need. Is dvd rebuilder the only program that you think does quality backups? I will work with DVD rebuilder but I may be a while before I can do enough to tell if it has any advantages. It doesn't sound like something simple enough to do backups regularly.
For reference I back up 8 gig movies in about 27 minutes on my dual proc machines.
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10. June 2004 @ 19:40 |
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Just for the record, to try to keep this from turning into a 'My favorite program can beat up your your favorite program' argument, there are many people who can't tell any difference between a movie compressed with DVD Shrink, CloneDVD, DVD2One, or whatever other program you want to name. I'll be the first to say if you can't see the difference there isn't one. That doesn't mean that others don't see a difference or make that opinion any less valid, but when you say the word "quality", you're making a judgement that's biased by everything from your eyes to your video equipment.
64026402,
DVD Rebuilder isn't as difficult as it probably sounds based on problems people sometimes have. Even when you run into problems, once you get it working once you should be fine after that. However, if speed is a high priority it may not be for you. The speed is highly dependant on your CPU. My 2.4GHz P4 can do both passes of a 2 pass encode slightly less than the running time of the video. If you know some simple Windows networking and have more than 1 PC, that can be improved (not as hard as it sounds), but even with 3 additional PCs (Athlon 900MHz, Celeron 1.7GHz, & Athlon XP 2500) it still takes at least 1/3 of that time.
I'll repeat what I said earlier though. If you think you get good results, your right. Anybody elses opinion isn't important. Besides, from what I've read I can't knock Instant Copy. It's supposed to be a first rate program that can give you excellent results.
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10. June 2004 @ 21:22 |
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Hi all. Interesting thread. Like many of you I have spent countless hours trying to find the best method/tools to backup my DVD collection. I've used many of the transcoders mentioned throughout this thread and am certain there is no better system to backup a dvd to a single disk than the one I use presently.
1. DVD Decrypter
2. DVD Remake
3a. DVD Shrink if compression is @ or below %13
3b. DVD-RB with CCE SP/Basic if compression with DVD Shrink would be above %13
4. Burning program of choice.
Though DVD Shrink arguably produces a 'softer' picture than some other big name transcoders, no other comes close to providing a greater level of control over the entire backup process. And, few (the exceptions being Recode (go figure same creator) and maybe Elby's Clone DVD) offer the same level of control. However, because both Recode and Clone DVD cost money, DVD Shrink is for now 'the best' transcoder in my opinion.
Now to the subject at hand. There is no transcoder that can possibly match an encoder when creating a replica of your DVD. Reason being, a transcoder 'compresses' the content from the original DVD in order to make it fit on a blank DVD disc, whereas an encoder 'recreates' the entire DVD from scratch (this also explains the difference in the amount of time required). And, although only in beta form the combination of DVD-RB and CCE SP/Basic will produce results that will leave you trying to spot the tell-tale signs that determine the original DVD from your backup. It is really that good, and well worth the time (takes 3 > hrs for 4 pass encode depending on system specs) for those interested.
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11. June 2004 @ 06:59 |
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After spending hours to set it up and hours to transcode with it, IMHO cce and rebuilder isn't worth it, i did a version with DVD2One and that gave better results (IMHO again) and was quicker to boot.
Im only miffed by the lack of info given by DVD2One, i like to see all the sliders and shiny dials which shrink gives.
Does variable rate give priority to the main movie or to high detail bits? and which is better variable or constant?
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11. June 2004 @ 12:07 |
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IMHO cce and rebuilder isn't worth it, i did a version with DVD2One and that gave better results (IMHO again) and was quicker to boot
IMHO Im staggered by that statement. Did you actually get the thing to work and actually burn a DVD?.
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12. June 2004 @ 03:55 |
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i got it to work but didn't have any blank dvds so i watched it on the powerdvd on my cpu and anyway i wouldn't burn it with that damn logo on the screen
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siber
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12. June 2004 @ 04:46 |
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neilm: that comment makes your previous statement a whole lot less credible. You actually watched the movie transcoded by Rebuilder/CCE on a computer monitor and you noticed a significant degradation? Try to 'burn' to a DVD-RW if you are concerned about wasting a disc. Watch the rip+burn on a quality television with the largest screen possible. On this issue I have to stand with vurbal and brian100. CCE is not always necessary but for preserving quality with higher levels of compression it is unmatched.
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12. June 2004 @ 05:50 |
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neilm247
There are few people that have used DVD2One longer than I have and it's a good appliction but it compromises picture quality for the sake of compression way too much. I've been expereimenting with DVDrbuilder and CCE basic using a registered version, and my result on a 7.8 gig move was to the eye perfect. DVDrebuilder isn't for everyone and it's slow as hell but when I decide to backup large type 9 DVDs it'll be my first choice.
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12. June 2004 @ 06:44 |
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As what has been said on several posts "whatever floats your boat", i won't be watching my dvds on a 900" screen @ most it will be 32" so the speed and the compression suits me fine.
why would the monitor not be as reliable as a tv to view the dvd?
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12. June 2004 @ 06:51 |
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As many people are saying "Does neilm247 need his eyes tested?" and the answer is "yes, i have an appointment in about a month",
i won't disagree with people who know more about these things than i do, so ehh, i must have paused the movie at a blurry movement.
I understand that the quality is very good because ye say so but time is a factor sometimes and it takes ages
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12. June 2004 @ 07:11 |
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That's so true neilm247, time is a factor that's why I use DVDcopy2 for files under 7.5 gigs. I compared it against DVD2One and it beat it, its fast, and has its own built in burning software. Its only setback is that it's a little too expensive but then so are my results over time. If you're happy with DVD2ne then stick with it, I've got over 200 movies backed up using it and I'm not about to redo them.
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12. June 2004 @ 07:32 |
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neilm: Sorry for not being clear. It's not the computer monitor issue but the size of the screen that I should have been referring to. If you watch a movie on a 15-19 inch screen, it is very difficult to assess differences in quality. If you plan to continue to watch movies/television on anything less than 21 inches, I even wonder why a discussion about different software matters much.
Even a later upgrade to HDTV would offer very little noticeable improvement at that screen size.
I agree with you then: get the best compromise between convenience of features, speed of operation and lowest expense. If you have DVD2One and SHRINK/DECRYPTER, don't bother with anything else. They are fine programs.
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12. June 2004 @ 20:38 |
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As a first time poster I wish to thank you guys for all the info I've been getting from this and other threads. I thought I could add something to this encoder discussion by giving to a link in a professional journal in which CCE-SP beat all the other tested encoders in April, 2004.
http://videosystems.com/mag/video_mpeg_encoder_shootout/index.html#sidebar
I would assume that CCE basic is using the same technology with just fewer features.
The article also points out that variable bit rate in all encoding programs is much better than fixed bit rate, this allows the encoding program to increase the bit rate in action scenes and decrease it in still scenes. I would assume using multi-pass options would allow better results in variable bit rate.
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siber
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12. June 2004 @ 20:58 |
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Demondog: Thanks for that article. Very interesting.
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12. June 2004 @ 21:00 |
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