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DVD Rebuilder with CCE Basic Vs. DVD Shrink
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14. June 2004 @ 07:10 |
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How true Siber, if only the author of DVDrebuilder could correct the problem with multi-angles and interleaving,the rest is almost perfect.
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14. June 2004 @ 13:09 |
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Sophocles, that multiangle thing is really gettin' to ya, huh? lol OK, check out the other forum, which one are we working in, there seems to be two going on. Getting ready to try remake with anydvd, then into rebuilder, since it worked with vobblanker. 6402..... I didn't take out all the extras, just some, since I'll be using it under these conditions. I like outtakes and deleted scenes, and oh yeah, alternate endings. So go ahead and laugh. Anyway that's my reasoning behind that. I already did Lost World(31/2hrs.)to check out compression on large files. Read the other forum. A lot of info there. siber, you're exactly right, wish they'd make it just a little quicker tho.....
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14. June 2004 @ 13:16 |
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I'm very task oriented, and yes the multiangle thing is an obstacle, and nothing more. As you know of course I overcame the multiangle thing only to get caught up in interleaving. The DareDevil DVD is great for learning how to edit for using with rebuilder and CCE. This of course and sadly so according to my wife, one of the ways I have fun. LOL
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64026402
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15. June 2004 @ 17:43 |
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Monster turned out good so I'll try a longer movie with more action. Braveheart is 3hrs and won't fit DVDshrink without bumping french off. No big loss. 48.5 compression is what i'm going with. I'll do the same with rebuilder.
I think monster was to short and slow for a good comparison even at 55% compresion.
Donald
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64026402
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15. June 2004 @ 17:49 |
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For multi angle movies I figure I can rip with no compression in shrink or Nero since I am used to them.
I usually remove extra angles anyway. Then rebuild.
Donald
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jdobbs
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17. June 2004 @ 14:08 |
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@vurbal
I just wanted to comment... That is an excellent guide you've put together. If there is anything you need or questions you might have -- let me know.
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17. June 2004 @ 14:49 |
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jdobbs
I'm interested in anything that can improve the final result. Are you the author of DVDrebuilder? If so will you be joining us here fro time to time? Are you tackling the multi angle and interleaving problems with DVDrebuilder? Let us know when you have something new you'd like to try.
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jdobbs
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17. June 2004 @ 15:16 |
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@Sophocles
Yes. It probably won't be in version 0.53 -- but I am working multiangle support very actively. In fact a lot of the way DVD-RB works is specifically oriented toward making interleaving and multi-angle work. But, there's still much to be done.
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17. June 2004 @ 16:35 |
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jdobbs, excellent piece of software, keep up the good work. I made my first flop today using dvdremake then going in rebuilder(note flop, not coaster, i used rw, at least i did one thing rite) So far it has worked on it's own and with vobblanker and dvdstripper perfectly. The quality is unbelievable, great work as I previously stated, now if you could work on that time thing, say 1 hour? lol
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jdobbs
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17. June 2004 @ 16:38 |
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Thanks.
Good things come to those who wait... and that holds true for MPEG too.
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witwarp
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18. June 2004 @ 07:10 |
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This thread is ping pong on da brain! Seems hard for definitive answers for a few reasons:
1 Software versions change
3 different strokes for different folks
3 Subjectivity: I am extremly capable of detecting "any" amount of distortion---but can the guy you talk to do the same?
We are talking about super, sudo subjectivity tests: working on DVD for years now, I can't watch "any" movie without noticing artifacts etc. And digital television?
Won't go there. BUT, my girlfriend sees "none" of it. I say "sudo" because artifacts are quantifiable-to a point, but most people, unlike myself and I presume many of you others, dont't watch TV passivly (although we try) we are activly aware, programmed from experience, to actualy detect these visual anomalies with our full mental capacities!
Thats what we are doing on this very forum...the oppisite of our goal; we want to watch "smooth" movies, but have trained ourselves to see the finest nuances between encodes, comparing one to another---anyways, thats happened to me, and I can never go back now that I know how to see those little buggers....which brings me (us) to the search for the "most perfectest encoding mechanism for backups in the universe! yet there realy is no final solution. Just settled upon DVD procedures to keep us from cracking while watching our movies--just, good enough.
3a So, someone who uses any one of these programs, no matter wow feeble, and doesn't have a need or desire to analyze the outcome, HAS A PERFECT COPY, EVERY TIME, no matter what program he uses! The problem isn't the proggys! The problem is us!
CCE is hands down best encoder in the world.
DVDXCopy Plat-- easyest to run.
this I know, but what I am here for is to find the best strategies for picking various programs for various situations: movie only, span 2 disks, compress xtras only, compress everything.
THe Dream: DVDRebuilder/CCE in 30 minutes, with all the above features.
Sad. Thats what I realy want. Thats what I was looking for.
IS IGNORANCE BLISS?
can't you see that subtle color shift...Right There?!...let me rewind--see, just as the camera pans.........
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witwarp
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18. June 2004 @ 07:13 |
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No, I mean it anyways guys. Whats the best backup program?
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18. June 2004 @ 12:14 |
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@vurbal
I just wanted to comment... That is an excellent guide you've put together. If there is anything you need or questions you might have -- let me know.
Thanks! I'll certainly let you know if I have any questions. Fortunately I haven't found anything about the program I have any questions on yet, but if I find something you'll be the first to know.
witwarp, I have several programs that I use regularly and here's my basic methodology for picking the right program to use. All of these methods start with opening the disc in DVD Shrink, which I find to be an excellent tool for analysis and planning my backup strategy.
If there are both widescreen and fullscreen copies of the movie on a single disc, I remove the fullscreen version (and the FBI warning if it's not a menu) with VobBlanker. It's easy and quick and I'm only removing something I'd never watch anyway. Most animated movies and quite a few others can be done this way.
If I want to split the disc to 2 DVD-Rs I use DVD Stripper. Normally there's a menu that plays before the actual main menu that takes a few seconds. Since I don't like waiting for that when I put in the second disc I remove it as well. I also get rid of the FBI warning. From what I've read, DVD Remake is a better program, but as I've said in another thread, I'm a cheap bastard and Remake is $30.
If I'm keeping a backup that has to be comressed on a single disc and the menus aren't bigger than around 150MB I use VobBlanker to blank everything except the movie (and sometimes a couple of extras) and then compress with Rebuilder.
If I'm keeping a backup that has to be comressed on a single disc and the menus are bigger than around 150MB I use DVD Stripper to reduce the size of menus and remove most or all extras and then compress with Rebuilder. In some cases DVD Stripper has problems removing some of the menus I want gone (in other words the disc doesn't work right if I remove them), in which case I leave those menus in and compress them (usually to still pictures) with DVD Shrink before compressing the movie.
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witwarp
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19. June 2004 @ 08:16 |
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thanx vurbal, this is what I am looking for, some practical experience to get me off the ground.
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19. June 2004 @ 09:41 |
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The Dream: DVDRebuilder/CCE in 30 minutes, with all the above features.
No question, the best solution that I've found thus far for quality reproduction is DVDrebuilder/CCE. Not quite the "cheap bastard" that Vurbal is I paid the $39.00 for DVDremake pro to edit with (you can get the standard version for $25).
I also use DVD Shrink primarily as a diagnostic tool, the picture quality even with deep analysis is not quite there yet. It provides me with almost instant information on the sound tracks and their sizes. This gives me an idea as to how much trimming I can get away with without sacrificing menus and extras.
I've concluded that it's possible to get Rebuilder and CCE down to under an easy hour. All one need's to do is build a dual pentium Xeon system with a couple of gigs of high quality CAS2 memory (OK that's a little overboard).
I do fast burns with smaller movies meaning less than 7 gigs (there's always something to trim I use Intervideo's DVDcopy 2 the result is quite amazing considering the speed (if you want to try it you get 3 days of full use). It did a very respectful backup of LOR III that played without a glitch.
Being one to make comparisons, the backup I made with Rebuilder/CCE is to the eye without a flaw, even on a large screen. I was able to trim over 500 megs off the movie using DVDremake.
Everyone has their formula but I find too many people become application groupies and they don't want to hear that there might be something better than what they're using. Although free is great you might want to experiment with some of the commercial applications and see what you think is the best for your needs.
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64026402
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19. June 2004 @ 15:25 |
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I have been backing with rebuilder .52 and CCC sp 2.5
and everything works fine so I downloaded basic 2.67 trial before I buy it to make sure it doesn't have any issues with my setup.
When it starts to encode a CCE basic warning comes up and says the ECL file was not made for CCE basic trial version.
The CCE settings are for basic 2.67 and the path for basic is in there. I have read through the guide and haven't found my mistake yet.
CCE baisc does work on individual files but not on the ECL output from rebuilder. What now?
Donald
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19. June 2004 @ 15:38 |
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The trial version has been neutered to only work for about 3 minutes, it's a worthless trial. You'll have to pay the $58 if you want CCE 2.69 Basic to work. I can only say that if you can afford it you'll get your money's worth. Good Luck
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19. June 2004 @ 15:48 |
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Since the encoder was working I purchased CCE basic anyway. It seems to work. I'm encoding as we speak.
Now to get remake.
Donald
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19. June 2004 @ 15:53 |
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You're going to love remake. We started a new thread for discussing remake and other applications as aids to editing and many of them are free. We thought it unfair to Vurbal to use this thread as a chat room and so we are going to post results when we have them. Come to this thread.
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/90309
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20. June 2004 @ 22:04 |
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New version of DVDrebuilder .53 available on AD.
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21. June 2004 @ 06:52 |
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For anyone who uses CCE Basic, 0.53 is a must-have since it supports the Quality_Prec setting (Quantizer Characteristics in CCE Basic) for that version. Not a huge issue necessarily, but it can make a difference for some encodes, and it's a feature from SP that just got incorporated into Basic as of 2.69
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Troopa
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23. June 2004 @ 05:40 |
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I have two questions.
1. If I always split larger movies to two discs so I don't need to compress, then CCE offers no advantage over Shrink (and vice versa), right?
2. How long does CCE take to do everything? Is it as fast as Shrink? I have a 950Mhz Duron.
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23. June 2004 @ 06:05 |
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1. If you don't compress, it's almost always better to use Shrink because there's always at least a slight change with CCE and none with Shrink. The only time I'd use CCE to do this would be if the movie was letterbox (4:3 with borders), in which case I use DVD Rebuilder/CCE to convert it to 16:9.
2. It takes much longer than Shrink. With your CPU it would probably take about 3x-4x the running time of all the video that gets re-encoded for CCE to finish. Durons don't encode well to begin with, and the current version of CCE is optomized for P4s. Even with my Athlon 900 it takes about 2x the length of the video, and I'm sure yours would be slower. I just can't say how much slower.
As much as I'd like to recommend this solution to everyone, you may be the exception to that. It would still be worth it if you have a bunch of letterbox movies you want to change into widescreen, but other than that it may be of questionable (or no) value in your situation.
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Troopa
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23. June 2004 @ 07:30 |
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With your CPU it would probably take about 3x-4x the running time of all the video that gets re-encoded for CCE to finish.
Whew! Shrink takes me around 2 hours, so with CCE it would be around 6-8. Yikes.
I think I better save the money from buying CCE and upgrade my computer. ;)
I'll stick with Shrink since I'm perfectly happy and comfortable with it, and I don't mind splitting to two DVDs. However, it sure sounds like CCE is much better for fitting everything onto a single DVD-R, according to what I've read here.
Thanks for your advice!
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23. June 2004 @ 08:10 |
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No problem.
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